Topic: DNLs: Besides the Fed, which ones are OTT?

[Hexx]

Easy to do when you are at range... but not possible when you are engaged with lots of other expendable units on the board as in the last campaign.

(ie getting a mission with 4 enemy AI ..)

Maybe you just suck?

~ Hexx the helpful

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Are the fed BCGf and BCFf the only casual BC's that have DV of 6? And that reminds me the FBCEf needs a 6 DC. Gonna ck to see if it has it.

F-BCGf  DC 6
F-BCJf   DC6
F-BCFf  DC6
F-BCS  DC 12

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Easy to do when you are at range... but not possible when you are engaged with lots of other expendable units on the board as in the last campaign.

(ie getting a mission with 4 enemy AI ..)

Maybe you just suck?

~ Hexx the helpful

That IS a possiblity....

[Father Ted]

How is he acting like a 'paranoid lunatic'? He raises a valid point, that its difficult to define so called cheese as each person has their own interpretations of what a cheesey ship actually is. If you read this thread there are posts by some people who have stated what their opinion of what 'Cheese' is, and then when someone voices an opinion disagreeing with that, they get shot down.

Well "whiny bastard" is already reserved for t00l.
"stupid <expletive deleted>" is DH's moniker.
paranoid lunatic seemed to fit somehow.

And no- no offence to Ted, but hadn't raised a valid point.
He jumped into teh conversation ranting about DH being anti-Fed, which honestly given the cheeseypoof ships
for the Feds that DH & Dizzy have let into the list is absurd.

All I ever asked for was what exactly he wanted to see added/changed.
ie something to work with rather than accusations.

Of course anything changed screws something else over, the only question is does it screw someone over less than it balances the
origianl reason for the change.

If you bothered to read my reply, which it appears you didn't, you'd at least get an idea of where I'm coming from. All I'm asking for is a return of the original DNH, fix the BCG(like Dizzy will ever agree to that), and leave the DNL alone. I've always flown Fed, and I'll defend my ships from tinkering in the interest of "fairness" against anybody. "Fairness" is PC-speak for "Bend over and grab your ankles".

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

This is all that has been done to these three ships:

F-DNH loses 1 AMD 12 (to compensate for bad G rack implementation) & has 6 DC (as it had in SFB)

F-BCG has 6 DC (as it had in SFB)

F-DNL YFA moves back a bit. (only a PROPOSED thing, no other change to ship) Current YFA 4.  Proposed YFA???

Exactly what is the screw job?  Moving the YFA is that bad?

And I am still waiting to see the stats on the F-BCH....

[Hexx]

This is all that has been done to these three ships:

F-DNH loses 1 AMD 12 (to compensate for bad G rack implementation) & has 6 DC (as it had in SFB)

<ponders if "compensate" is a synonym for "balance" in this case  >
ponder ponder ponder

[FPF-DieHard]

"Fairness" is PC-speak for "Bend over and grab your ankles".

Fairness is not being a Race-whore and realizing somethings are poorly implemented in the game.  Removal of 1 AMD12 from the DNH does not remove its teeth, just makes it a little more Warm and Fuzzy.

[Dfly]

And as posted before, the Fed DNL has an overabundance of power compared to all other race DNL ship due to starting date.  I will post here the ship, and starting date as per power on the ships.  All these ships have 1.25 movement costs.  List as per SG06 mod.

Fed:     DNL            57 power,    2267                         DVL       55 power    2273

Klink:    C5(series)    55 power,    2267

Rom:    SHR            58 power,    2272(5 yrs after fed-klink)

Lyr:      DNL            53 power,    2268                         DNLPp    57 power    2270

Hyd:     HGE           52 power,    2268                         HGE+      56 power    2272(5 yrs after fed-klink)

Gorn:    DNL           56 power,    2272(5 yrs after fed-klink)

ISC:      DNL           55 power,    2283(16 yrs after fed-klink)

Mirak:    DNL           53 power,    2267


By looking at when they come out, and how powerful they are(not including weapons), the Feds get a rather big jump considering how long it takes for some races to even produce one.  THE ISC get their butts handed to them as by the time they actually build one nearly all the other Dreds are already in production.

The Roms have the most powerful, but only 5 years after the Feds, Klinks, and Mirak have one out, 4 years after the Hydrans and the Lyrans, and the same time as the Gorn.

Suggested to move the availability of the Fed DNL a tad later over changing the ship is what is being discussed.  I had suggested 2 years, making it 2269, but maybe even 1 year (2268), could make a difference.

[FPF-DieHard]

Would anyone object to the F-DN+ FYA being changed to 2267 if the F-DNL is pushed back a year or 2?

[Dfly]

  The DN+ would  end up being moved earlier by 5 years if you move it to 2267.  Doing this, I would expect the DNL to maybe be moved at least 2 years, maybe 3?  If so, I have no objections, and I am not even a Fed pilot.  Perhaps some Fed pilots need reply.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

The LBCHT isnt too bad... those pfs suck balls.

The L-BCHT caused a lot of consternation among the frog players in SS2 cuz there was no matching ISC ship. Would need an I-CCZ with a couple PFs or 8 to 12 CAV-IIIs to compensate. 

Kinda like the CCZ causes lots of consteration to everyone else on every other server?   

[Father Ted]

Would anyone object to the F-DN+ FYA being changed to 2267 if the F-DNL is pushed back a year or 2?

But, but, but that is NOT SFB!!!! You can't dare change the YFA if it isn't in the Holy Grail of all that is SFB/SFC! Fix the BCG and your 72 virgins won't look like this:

[FPF-DieHard]

Would anyone object to the F-DN+ FYA being changed to 2267 if the F-DNL is pushed back a year or 2?

But, but, but that is NOT SFB!!!! You can't dare change the YFA if it isn't in the Holy Grail of all that is SFB/SFC! Fix the BCG and your 72 virgins won't look like this:

Listen NannerTed, Legacy comes out in few months, I'm sure it will be fune 

[Father Ted]

Would anyone object to the F-DN+ FYA being changed to 2267 if the F-DNL is pushed back a year or 2?

But, but, but that is NOT SFB!!!! You can't dare change the YFA if it isn't in the Holy Grail of all that is SFB/SFC! Fix the BCG and your 72 virgins won't look like this:

Listen NannerTed, Legacy comes out in few months, I'm sure it will be fune 

Not sure I want to have fune. But I'm having a blast poking fun at your pretzel logic.

NannerTed

[FPF-DieHard]

Would anyone object to the F-DN+ FYA being changed to 2267 if the F-DNL is pushed back a year or 2?

But, but, but that is NOT SFB!!!! You can't dare change the YFA if it isn't in the Holy Grail of all that is SFB/SFC! Fix the BCG and your 72 virgins won't look like this:

Listen NannerTed, Legacy comes out in few months, I'm sure it will be fune 

Not sure I want to have fune. But I'm having a blast poking fun at your pretzel logic.

NannerTed

You expect logic?   I spend most of my time debating minutia with t00l and Hexx!

[Father Ted]

My God, I'm sorry. If I'd known what you were up against, I wouldn't have been so hard on you. T00L is one thing but Hexx! You poor thing! 

[Hexx]

You expect logic?   I spend most of my time debating minutia with t00l and Hexx!

Such a very odd thing to say since in all of our debates I'm the only one using any sort of logic,
or intelligence for that matter.
~ Of course I find that is also a (slightly worrying) truth with pretty much any of you here.

Perhaps if we stripped all ships right back down to their SFB stats, with nothing added to any of them
to "balance" any differences we believe exist between the two systems...  

[Father Ted]

Back off! The poor soul is exhausted from debating minutia with you! Since I have a direct pipeline to the Almighty, would you prefer to spend eternity with this?



Or this?



I can arrange it either way, but since you're a contrarian, I'll tell God you want option 2 which is fine with me, as I'll take Miss O'Dell.

[Hexx]

Sure we can shift the debate to the theological if you'd prefer

Let me ask you though- since the last time I walked into a church the priest warned the congregation
to watch out for lighting strikes (true story- the moral is never go to a church where one of your best friends has become a priest)
I'm not as familiar with the dogma (so to speak) as I should be.

Now-assuming that Miss O'Dell is allowed into the heavenly eternity (as I'm not sure if actors or politicans are)
-are you permitted to have crazy naked sex with her?
Because (obviously) if you're not, then it's actually more along the lines of an eternity of torment,
but if you are-isn't that like breaking some rule or something?

[Father Ted]

Vows of chastity only apply here on God's green Earth. Jennifer O'Dell is my reward in the hereafter, in the world according to Ted.

Sorry, you're stuck with Barbra.