Topic: DNLs: Besides the Fed, which ones are OTT?

[FPF-DieHard]

Interdiction Carriers are pure bullsh*t but reasonable as long as tey are considered capital ships regarding fleeting.  They should probrably be considered BCHs regarding metal points.

[FPF-DieHard]

The F-BCT/+ I designed for AOTK was the most balanced Fed BCH's ever !!!!

It was garbage Jeff

[Capt Jeff]

The F-BCT/+ I designed for AOTK was the most balanced Fed BCH's ever !!!!

It was garbage Jeff

Really?   Every person I knew to have flown it thought it was nice.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

The F-BCT/+ I designed for AOTK was the most balanced Fed BCH's ever !!!!

AS for the DVL....scrap it.   If you want to promote line ship use, why is there so many cheesy carriers/PFTs being added to the list?   I'd prefer to stick with CVS/BCV/CVA only for carriers.  Nuke the rest, especially the Silly interdiction carriers or whatever they are called.   Cheese soup with extra cheese on top there.

F-DN?  Scrap it as well.  What a worthless pile.

What were the stats on that thing.... I don't have the previous shiplist it was on anymore

[762_XC]

AOTK??? Does anyone seriously want to go down that road again?

[Capt Jeff]

AOTK??? Does anyone seriously want to go down that road again?

Not, repeat, NOT that I am going to "go down that road again" for SS3, but I wonder what makes tinkering with the list now (especially with all the massive cheese that's been added lately), different then before?

Myself, SkullnBones, Dogmatix, Kzinbane, Max Power, Drall, Renegade, Pharoah, Fluf, S'cipio (I believe) couldn't do the job right before, but now it's all going to come together seamlessly right?   LOL

Back then, we didn't have DNL's, DVL's, CF's, HDWM's, COV's, CVP's,  and we all seemed to have a hell of a time (obviously, we're still here).

A happy medium is what I want.  Get rid of the glaring problems and make simple rules for the rest....

[Dizzy]

The FBCHT is a glaring problem. Dont use stupid ships please!!! 

[FPF-DieHard]

Myself, SkullnBones, Dogmatix, Kzinbane, Max Power, Drall, Renegade, Pharoah, Fluf, S'cipio (I believe) couldn't do the job right before, but now it's all going to come together seamlessly right?   LOL

No, you couldn't.  That list sucked @ss.  Does a Novahawk really need Plasma-D and MORE Phasers? 

THe SGO/DH123 lists may be cheesy, but the cheese is more even.   The nice part about "even" cheese is it can be reduced accross the races without singling anyone out.  If BCHs with 4 PFs are OTT, and admin can remove them across the board as even races has one.

As and admin, remove what you don't like.  As a mod-modder (it's Firesoul's mod, we just screw around with it) I'd rather leave the stuff in so an admin has more colors to paint with.

[el-Karnak]

AOTK??? Does anyone seriously want to go down that road again?

Not, repeat, NOT that I am going to "go down that road again" for SS3, but I wonder what makes tinkering with the list now (especially with all the massive cheese that's been added lately), different then before?

Myself, SkullnBones, Dogmatix, Kzinbane, Max Power, Drall, Renegade, Pharoah, Fluf, S'cipio (I believe) couldn't do the job right before, but now it's all going to come together seamlessly right?   LOL

Back then, we didn't have DNL's, DVL's, CF's, HDWM's, COV's, CVP's,  and we all seemed to have a hell of a time (obviously, we're still here).

A happy medium is what I want.  Get rid of the glaring problems and make simple rules for the rest....

Blade and I were involved with AOTK shiplist discussion too. The I-CVAD "DN that became a CA" was not a good thing.  Putting in Plas-D on the ISC ships was kinda cool though.

I think any  BCH ship with 4 PFs is too much. 2 PFs works pretty well.

[Dizzy]

The LBCHT isnt too bad... those pfs suck balls.

[el-Karnak]

The LBCHT isnt too bad... those pfs suck balls.

The L-BCHT caused a lot of consternation among the frog players in SS2 cuz there was no matching ISC ship. Would need an I-CCZ with a couple PFs or 8 to 12 CAV-IIIs to compensate. 

Then there's always the AoTK I-CVAD "DN that became a CA"  ship with 16 CAV-IIIs. I saw them CAVs rip down SBs in a couple passes on AoTK. That was really OTT. 

[Father Ted]

Myself, SkullnBones, Dogmatix, Kzinbane, Max Power, Drall, Renegade, Pharoah, Fluf, S'cipio (I believe) couldn't do the job right before, but now it's all going to come together seamlessly right?   LOL

No, you couldn't.  That list sucked @ss.  Does a Novahawk really need Plasma-D and MORE Phasers? 

THe SGO/DH123 lists may be cheesy, but the cheese is more even.   The nice part about "even" cheese is it can be reduced accross the races without singling anyone out.  If BCHs with 4 PFs are OTT, and admin can remove them across the board as even races has one.

As and admin, remove what you don't like.  As a mod-modder (it's Firesoul's mod, we just screw around with it) I'd rather leave the stuff in so an admin has more colors to paint with.

So now it's you and Dizzy who decide what's cheese and what isn't? Forgive me for being a bit skeptical. BTW: maybe you got your arse kicked while flying a BCT, but I found it the perfect compromise BCH for Feds. Guess that makes it unacceptable. Afterall, we can't allow a decent Fed battlecruiser, can we?

[FPF-DieHard]

So now it's you and Dizzy who decide what's cheese and what isn't? Forgive me for being a bit skeptical. BTW: maybe you got your arse kicked while flying a BCT, but I found it the perfect compromise BCH for Feds. Guess that makes it unacceptable. Afterall, we can't allow a decent Fed battlecruiser, can we?

F-BCF, F-BCG, F-BCV are excellent battlecruisers.  I'll take you in a C7 anyday in any of those ships to proove my point.

[FPF-DieHard]

So now it's you and Dizzy who decide what's cheese and what isn't?

If we are admining a server, yes it is up to us. 

[Hexx]

Myself, SkullnBones, Dogmatix, Kzinbane, Max Power, Drall, Renegade, Pharoah, Fluf, S'cipio (I believe) couldn't do the job right before, but now it's all going to come together seamlessly right?   LOL

No, you couldn't.  That list sucked @ss.  Does a Novahawk really need Plasma-D and MORE Phasers? 

THe SGO/DH123 lists may be cheesy, but the cheese is more even.   The nice part about "even" cheese is it can be reduced accross the races without singling anyone out.  If BCHs with 4 PFs are OTT, and admin can remove them across the board as even races has one.

As and admin, remove what you don't like.  As a mod-modder (it's Firesoul's mod, we just screw around with it) I'd rather leave the stuff in so an admin has more colors to paint with.

So now it's you and Dizzy who decide what's cheese and what isn't? Forgive me for being a bit skeptical. BTW: maybe you got your arse kicked while flying a BCT, but I found it the perfect compromise BCH for Feds. Guess that makes it unacceptable. Afterall, we can't allow a decent Fed battlecruiser, can we?

Just out of curiousity... is it possible for you to actually make a post that doesn't end up making you look
like some kinda paranoid lunatic?

We can agree that DH and Dizzy are stupid, no real question there.

But -unfortunately you still haven't actually said what you wanted. ~Some of us missed the original shiplist debates.
So here's a thought, type out what you'd like the DN's to be like between the accusations of DH and Dizzy being out to personally screw you over .
Again I'm not sure how they've done this, -Fed CF is a great ship,CS+ they refuse to get rid of, and Dizzy's kills will drop by like 70%
if he can't fly that DNL.. but I'm sure you have a point and I'd be happy to hear if.
Hell I even made a suggestion to fix up some Hydran stuff that seemed out of whack, and I pretty much loathe t00l.

[Hexx]

AOTK??? Does anyone seriously want to go down that road again?

Myself, SkullnBones, Dogmatix, Kzinbane, Max Power, Drall, Renegade, Pharoah, Fluf, S'cipio (I believe) couldn't do the job right before, but now it's all going to come together seamlessly right?   LOL

Yes
You didn't have me before.
Sad but true.

[Father Ted]

Here's what I want, in case it didn't come to you before now: the original F-DNH, not DH's neutered one, a BCG with 12 drone control(if we can fool around with Klink carriers that aren't SFB originals, we can fix this oversight), and leave the damn DNL alone. If this is too dense for them to wrap their heads around, fine, I'll pass on future SGO servers.

[Dizzy]

So now it's you and Dizzy who decide what's cheese and what isn't? Forgive me for being a bit skeptical. BTW: maybe you got your arse kicked while flying a BCT, but I found it the perfect compromise BCH for Feds. Guess that makes it unacceptable. Afterall, we can't allow a decent Fed battlecruiser, can we?

What are u talking about? I dont know anyone who could get their ass kicked while flying a FBCHT. U cant hit it with drones, it can run 31 and phaser boat you to death or slow a bit and proxie you with 8 photons out to range 30. It's the perfect ship. no other race could have a better BC. It has no weaknesses I know of. And if you found it the perfect compromise what is being compromised??? I dont understand wtf you're talking about and mb if I did I might see what you're saying. Right now, I'd have to agree with hexx about your paranoid lunacy...

As far as decent fed BC's... The BCF is a very good ship, although up to fast drones I prefer the BCG. What's not decent about them? They can pretty much fight and win against anything in the same class cept a well flown CCZ.

[KBF-Kurok]

 Heck while were complaining about  battle cruisers i have a couple the c7 needs another add we could also use a drone varient of the ship like the feds and then how about something with more power and heavy weapons like the BCE.While were at it the  newer classes of D7 could use better dizzy arcs say something like Dizzy gave us on  past servers fh i think it was.this is all toungh in cheek of course but sisnce someone has seen fit to make a suggestion to make a ship more competitive i thought i throw these out.
 It would be nice to see these things and a working klink DXDm been waiting for that one for a while( over a year iirc)
 Kurok

[Hexx]

Here's what I want, in case it didn't come to you before now: the original F-DNH, not DH's neutered one, a BCG with 12 drone control(if we can fool around with Klink carriers that aren't SFB originals, we can fix this oversight), and leave the damn DNL alone. If this is too dense for them to wrap their heads around, fine, I'll pass on future SGO servers.

See?
All better- you got the important stuff out before you kicked into mini-rant mode.

Now- for anyone who can- what's the dif between the original Fed-DNH and the one DH designed.
(Actually of course FS ported it I believe, but he's not around anymore so it's more fun to blame DH..)