Topic: Idea for SSIII (almost certainly will start a flame war . . .)

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Actually, Hexx... one time it was both of us....

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

There has been some concer about allying the Klingons with the Kzinti (okay, some whining from t00l) because it puts all the fast-misions droners on one side.   Since SS2 had slightly different racial alliances than SS1, why not flip another race?

Swap the Kzinti for the Feds.   F-K-G-L versus H-Z-R-I.

Flame away   

But you forgot to mention Dizzy's whinning about the Feds, ISC, and Hydrans being allied on the other side and calling it an unbeatable combo 

Of course Dizzy then announced his intention to fly Fed so to be on the "unbeatable" side  , Come on Dizzy fly Gorn, I dare you, you think your good enought to get 5+ kills flying Gorn?  You get 10 and I"ll be forced to show you alot of respect  , and when you can't do it you've always got Lyran (where you have definately proven yourself already) to fall back on.

P.S.  The reason I look so forward to flying on the Storm Season Servers is the fact that they give the Kzin that rare opportunity to fly with our Klingon friends.  Take that away and its not so special anymore.  Since I've been playing I can only think of 2 times the Kzin and Klingons were allied, Storm Season I and Storm Season II.  They also happen to be my 2 favorite servers.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Actually if you give the F-NCD a 100% HET it will probably solve the issue.

Actuall if t00l learned to properly  fly a fed droner it would probably solve the issue. 

A droner doesn't need a HET to fly fast missions.

[Dizzy]

But you forgot to mention Dizzy's whinning about the Feds, ISC, and Hydrans being allied on the other side and calling it an unbeatable combo 

Of course Dizzy then announced his intention to fly Fed so to be on the "unbeatable" side  , Come on Dizzy fly Gorn, I dare you, you think your good enought to get 5+ kills flying Gorn? 

One gorn ship vs PPD, Photons and Hellbores... I like it. Crazy so much I may do it...

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

But you forgot to mention Dizzy's whinning about the Feds, ISC, and Hydrans being allied on the other side and calling it an unbeatable combo 

Of course Dizzy then announced his intention to fly Fed so to be on the "unbeatable" side  , Come on Dizzy fly Gorn, I dare you, you think your good enought to get 5+ kills flying Gorn? 

One gorn ship vs PPD, Photons and Hellbores... I like it. Crazy so much I may do it...

Gorn have a certain appeal to me as well due to their "vanillish" nature.  They definately require alot of finess.

[762_XC]

Actually if you give the F-NCD a 100% HET it will probably solve the issue.

Actuall if t00l learned to properly  fly a fed droner it would probably solve the issue. 

A droner doesn't need a HET to fly fast missions.

Well no, not if it has 6 racks and draws at only 74 BPV. I'm sure if you add 3 racks to the FFB that would work as well.

[KBFKaz]

How about K,H,G,L vs. F,R,M,I?

[Nemesis]

How about K,H,G,L vs. F,R,M,I?

How about F vs K vs everyone else (even pirates) allied together.  Basically everyone else is annoyed the 2 great powers dominate everything and set out to cut them down to size.  Naturally no alliance between Kligons and Federation (unless 1 loses at least 2/3s of their economy).

[FPF-DieHard]

How about K,H,G,L vs. F,R,M,I?

How about F vs K vs everyone else (even pirates) allied together.  Basically everyone else is annoyed the 2 great powers dominate everything and set out to cut them down to size.  Naturally no alliance between Kligons and Federation (unless 1 loses at least 2/3s of their economy).

You apparantly aren't too familiar with today's player demographics     This would have been cool as hell 2 years ago had it not been for politics

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Actually if you give the F-NCD a 100% HET it will probably solve the issue.

Actuall if t00l learned to properly  fly a fed droner it would probably solve the issue. 

A droner doesn't need a HET to fly fast missions.

Well no, not if it has 6 racks and draws at only 74 BPV. I'm sure if you add 3 racks to the FFB that would work as well.

No HET adds about 5 seconds to a mission time in most cases with the Fed NCD, thats about all.  All those phaser 1s help at times as well, such as shipyard assaults and in fighting certain escorts, actually saving time.

[762_XC]

Baloney. You either get a one pass kill or you don't.

Drawing war cruisers with no HET pretty much means you don't.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Baloney. You either get a one pass kill or you don't.

Lacking an HET in an NCD never seems to cause me any great difficulty when I fly one.

Drawing war cruisers with no HET pretty much means you don't.

I seem to often enough when flying the NCD, maybe not as much as in a Z-DF, but often enough.

[762_XC]

I must have been on sabbatical all those times you flew Fed.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I must have been on sabbatical all those times you flew Fed.

Flew the NCD a little bit on SGO6 just a few weeks ago    also a great deal on GW5.

[762_XC]

Well, if you can get consistent one-pass kills with it like most peeps can with the DF or D5D, you'll have to show me how.

Talk is cheap. Seeing is believing!

[Riskyllama]

Well, if you can get consistent one-pass kills with it like most peeps can with the DF or D5D, you'll have to show me how.

Talk is cheap. Seeing is believing!

tool's just grumpy cause he has bad HET dice

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Well, if you can get consistent one-pass kills with it like most peeps can with the DF or D5D, you'll have to show me how.

Talk is cheap. Seeing is believing!

Can't as much as in the Z-DF but I can as much as in the D5D I believe.  There are a few ai ships that make a one pass hard such as cloaking Romulans, most escorts, the Klingon D5 series (even if not an escort), and ships with large numbers of tractors.  Otherwise most light cruiser and many heavy cruiser hulls will pop if you get your timing and positioning right.  The ones that wont pop likely wont pop with an HET either, although it might come into play about 5-10% of the time.  Of course some ships you don't death drag but overrun instead, you have to recognize those opportunities as well.

Where lack of an HET can slow you down is in missions with multiple ships.  I like to Het on the first so that I still can keep turning after it pops to set up my run on the second ai.  Without a Het the positioning for the second can be  more time consuming, especially if you Alt-stop for the first kill.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Well, if you can get consistent one-pass kills with it like most peeps can with the DF or D5D, you'll have to show me how.

Talk is cheap. Seeing is believing!

tool's just grumpy cause he has bad HET dice

Thats because he uses the HIT (Highly Intoxicated Turn) instead of the HET 

[762_XC]

There are a few ai ships that make a one pass hard such as cloaking Romulans, most escorts, the Klingon D5 series (even if not an escort)

AMD-armed draws is exactly where the HET is critical. If Jeff is keeping the same sides as in SS2, the F-NCD can expect to see a lot of them.

Would anyone seriously object to a F-NCD with a 100% HET? It's still just a droner, and one with an inferior power curve to the D5D. We're only talking about balancing mission times here.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

There are a few ai ships that make a one pass hard such as cloaking Romulans, most escorts, the Klingon D5 series (even if not an escort)

AMD-armed draws is exactly where the HET is critical. If Jeff is keeping the same sides as in SS2, the F-NCD can expect to see a lot of them.

But you have Lyran and Gorn ai as well with no amd, and if I know you you will be destroying any klingon and Mirak resupply that you can to get a Lyran ai draw 

Would anyone seriously object to a F-NCD with a 100% HET? It's still just a droner, and one with an inferior power curve to the D5D. We're only talking about balancing mission times here.

Unneeded.  Would you give up 2 shuttles and 2 power (making it 26 like the MDC) for it?  If so i wouldn't object.