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Alcohol and Dingleberrys
« on: August 24, 2006, 08:56:07 am »
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Your boss might want to forget about making you wear that BlackBerry and take away your bourbon instead.

Businesses spend big bucks on both the little, addictive wireless e-mail gadgets and programs that screen for and treat problem drinkers. Both make back the cost of investment. But searching for alcohol abusers brings in $2.15 for every dollar spent, compared to a mere $1.62 for keeping workers connected with Blackberrys. In fact, just by surveying employees and offering counseling sessions of 30 minutes or less, employers might be able to put a big dent in the $35 billion that excessive drinking adds to health care coverage annually, according to the George Washington University researchers who came up with the comparison.

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What is striking is that the GWU researchers don't recommend counseling only alcoholics, who require years of treatment, but also people who aren't addicts but simply drink too much.

"Since there are so many more people who drink in hazardous or harmful amounts, about 60% of the costs of alcohol to society are from people who are not dependent," says Eric Goplerud, who heads an alcohol abuse program at GWU called Ensuring Solutions. "There are people who drink even though they have sore stomachs, or drink and get into a fight and get hurt or engage in unprotected sex."

Each year, alcohol abuse costs the United States an estimated $185 billion, according to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. But only $26 billion, 14% of the total, comes from direct medical costs or treating alcoholics. Almost half, a whopping $88 billion, comes from lost productivity--a combination of all those hangovers that keep us out of work on Monday mornings, as well as other alcohol-related diseases. People who drink too much and too often are at greater risk for diabetes and several kinds of cancer, according to some studies.

"Alcohol is a worthless drug that affects every single cell in your body," says Harris Stratyner, director of addiction recovery services at Mount Sinai Medical Center. Even hair transplants can fail because of the damage, he says.

Many alcohol-related health troubles are more immediate--and are delivered with a crash, a thud or a bang. Half of the trauma patients in emergency rooms got there because they hurt themselves after drinking. Drunk driving only accounts for $6 billion worth of motor vehicle accidents, but it causes a third of car crash deaths--resulting in the loss of 13,000 lives per year. The professions where people drink the most include construction, agriculture and manufacturing--all fields that involve a lot of dangerous, heavy machinery.

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The toll from all the psychiatric effects, injuries and other alcohol-related problems: 85,000 deaths a year. What about those purported health benefits of wine? They top out at no more than five drinks a week for men, and two for women. Among people under 34, those who do not drink actually live longer.

Nearly 17 million Americans have a serious problem with alcohol, but only 3 million ever seek out any kind of help. That doesn't count those who should probably cut down some, but whose alcohol use hasn't developed into a full-blown problem. Yet Goplerud sees great reason for hope--and he's not raising the specter of prohibition. (History shows that most of us will not stop drinking entirely.)

What Goplerud suggests is to give all employees a simple questionnaire to identify those who are overindulging. Ninety percent of crack users will lie about their drug use, as will just about all users of methamphetamine or PCP. But people who drink are more honest, and a simple questionnaire will turn up 80% of those who have problems.

Then, for most, treatment is simple. Of those 17 million problem drinkers, 8 million are alcoholics. For others, a simple counseling session can work wonders. One study showed that if people who had injured themselves in alcohol-related accidents were approached about their drinking by a doctor while they were still in the hospital, they were less likely to become injured again.

For those who are dependent, the outlook is bleaker, since scientists understand so little about addiction. Yet many are still helped by treatment. The most recent medical advance that may help alcoholics is Vivitrol, a once-a-month shot produced by Cephalon (nasdaq: CEPH - news - people ) and Alkermes (nasdaq: ALKS - news - people ) that reduced the rate of drinking by 25%, compared to placebo and counseling. Few patients in the study were able to abstain completely.

But it is exactly because treatment is so difficult that many advocate intervening earlier--and potentially reaping big economic gains. Says Stratyner: "We could save billions."

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I disagree with that industry stuff. When I was a medic in the army and stationed at Belvoir and worked the E.R., I read up on that stuff as we had quite a few alcoholics come through the E.R. for treatment. Back then it was

1. Military

2. Law Enforcement

3. Emergency Medicine

Yup, I knew quite a few people from those 3 areas that probably drank more than they should have...

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Re: Alcohol and Dingleberrys
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2006, 08:57:10 am »
Though I did work as a laborer in construction and as an auto tech for a few years, both those industries have quite a bit of alcohol abusers as well.

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Re: Alcohol and Dingleberrys
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2006, 10:39:27 am »
http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/22/health-drinking-problems_cx_mh_nightlife06_0822costs.html?partner=yahootix


I disagree with that industry stuff. When I was a medic in the army and stationed at Belvoir and worked the E.R., I read up on that stuff as we had quite a few alcoholics come through the E.R. for treatment. Back then it was

1. Military

2. Law Enforcement

3. Emergency Medicine

Yup, I knew quite a few people from those 3 areas that probably drank more than they should have...


All three of those occupations have one thing in common: a highly stressful work environment. I didn't realize what it was like until my Guard unit was activated for Desert Shield/Storm. If we weren't out in the field, we were partying like 'Animal House'. The entire company had a party one night at Fort Hood that got so crazy(our battalion CO set the tone for the evening by showing up to give a pep talk. He was absolutely blitzed) the MP's had to be called in to calm things down.

One of my friends from all the way back to junior high who was in my unit was in such bad shape that I had to cut off all communications with him. He'd show up at somebody's apartment at 4 in the morning, totally wasted and waking up neighbors with his antics. Last I heard, about 10 years ago, was that he'd just gotten his 4th DUI and was working hard on number 5. I haven't seen or heard anything about him since, but I hope he finally got help.

As for the other two fields, I've met more than one cop and paramedic who admit they're alcoholics.

 

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Re: Alcohol and Dingleberrys
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2006, 01:27:53 pm »
Here in TX you get 3 strikes and you are in the felony batters box. I got EXTREMELY lucky when I got my 3rd years ago. The prosecutors and judge were laughing their arses off at my case, they were like "This guy had balls! Pulling over a cop and telling the officer that he was intoxicated and did not want to drive anymore?"

They downgraded it to misdemeanor and 30 days jail :-).

The 10 year backtrack enhancement rule is not in effect anymore, they can go back to the 1930s if they wanted too. Your whole life will be in front of them (Just cause you got in trouble in another state does not mean squat) and they can use it all against you.

In Cali it takes 4 strikes, but then again, they are the most liberal state.

When running errands today I saw a really cool billboard sign from DPS and the police:

Going out tonight? So are we! Drink, drive, go to jail.  :rofl:


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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2006, 03:05:28 pm »
I got 2, the last trying to drive home from a frat party in 1990. Never again. Not only the legal headaches, but the enforced AA meetings where I met a few cops and paramedics made me realize it was time to get my head straight. I still imbibe, but never if I'm behind the wheel. One or two beers is okay, I can handle it, but never like I used to drink in college or the Guard. I'm too old and not stupid enough to ever try that again.

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Re: Alcohol and Dingleberrys
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2006, 05:21:31 pm »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060829/hl_nm/alcohol_withdrawal_dc

This is old news to me, ya wanna know why? I.V.s in Mexico for a "Rally pack" contain alcohol, just enough to get the job done.

My preference is Ativan, although many places use librium, which in my humble opinion really sucks arse. Then again, my drug tolerance is high. I can take up to 2 Seroquels to get to sleep, while a QTR tab would knock your grandma out for 12 hrs or more.  ;)


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Re: Alcohol and Dingleberrys
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2006, 05:42:18 pm »
I've been lucky, Never had a DUI, although when I was younger, I probably should have.

It's true about High risk jobs and drinking. the volunteer Firemen here, well, we have a small Church that's been turned into an Pool house kinda thing. The walls are covered with Cock fighting trophies, and there are two fridges. They are always well stocked, and It's simple, If you grab a drink, you replace it, or leave some cash for the next guy.

Many times after a Life Altering Fire, have I seen every one congregate there.

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Re: Alcohol and Dingleberrys
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2006, 06:08:42 pm »
I remember a chick from OK who's dad was into "cockfighting." I asked her, Kendra, what do they do? Whip out their cocks and fight?"

She said "Ya want to have your balls stuffed in your mouth? if I repeated such a remark again." Damn, that was almost 30 yrs ago, but she was the big sis ya want to have in your corner.  ;)