Topic: New Poll: Would a "serious" no-Cheese server fly?

[Lepton]

Fully in favor of the kind of limited ship server you suggest, DH.  I have basically flown a CS+ nearly the entire time on SGO6 until I bought the BFG.  For hydrans, I flew an LB and later a CHC.  Pretty standard ships that would fall into the bounds of your proposal.  I have never liked the cheesey ships, mostly I think because I could never figure out how to fly them correctly and they were also usually limited on the servers I have been on, which means by definition I would not be flying them.  I think the kind of server you suggest would help level the playing field a bit for the causal player and the newcomers, so that they don't need to be facing the encyclopedic knowledge of the veterans, their piloting skills, and scary ships they could never afford nor chose to fly.

[Dizzy]

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I have basically flown a CS+ nearly the entire time on SGO6... I have never liked the cheesey ships...

 

[GDA-S'Cipio]

You know I'd love it!

-S'Cipio

[Hexx]

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I have basically flown a CS+ nearly the entire time on SGO6... I have never liked the cheesey ships...

 

Yeah saw that as well- Lepton (assuming you don't know) the CS+ (I assume) would be considered one of the cheesy ships.
It's a SFB "unique" build ship, completely out of sync with everything else the Feds have in that era, that's why I make occasional snide comments about pilots flying them (like Dizzy actually...)
It's by no means hugely ott- but it is a better ship than the Feds should be using at the point where it comes out.

Still a salute for staying away from the completely ott Fed CF.. I respect that in a Fed pilot 

[Lepton]

Ah, the CS+, I believe is basically a CC+ with another drone rack on it.  Am I wrong?  If so, that hardly rates as cheesy in my book.  This is not the CFS+.

Well, it does have another amd rack on it.  Damn!  But, the DDG+ has two drone rack and 2 amd racks and that also comes into service in 2268.

Be that as it may I support a non-cheesy server even if apparently I can't tell the difference.

[Hexx]

Nah, well sorta 
It's a CC+ with an additional rack and an additional AMD.
The big thing is that it drops the move cost from 1 to .83 . Not a huge imbalance perse, but something
that does give the pilot those extra few points of energy often needed in early.
CS+ was (iirc) supposed to be a competing design for..something (don't rememember which ship)
According to SFB history (again iirc) one (2?) were built as prototype, but never put into production.

[_Rondo_GE The OutLaw]

Sigh...

Lets all do four era versions of Tournament ships..

Actually what attracted me to this was flying those Gorn fighters.  Then I found out they were one dimensional and crappy except for the first shot...which is a doozy.  But thats not fun.  Their dumb.  

Get rid of Alien encounter...a sucker mission.  

Trying to balance the cheese out of the game is a vast and careful undertaking.  Probably would take a combination of approaches...

One would be a GOOD look at SFB patrol rules and see what can be scripted in or applied to a server.

Another would be to poll players for a few months and ask what their opinion is of the top 3 cheese in each race.  The top 3 could be banned or limited to extreme rarity...3 a race.  And upon their destruction they would not be allowed back in.    So you might have a rather interesting "gotta sink the bismark" scenario played out here and there.  (No offense to Feds of course...lol).

Another approach would be to make rare or eliminate all those mid eraish fast cruisers that seem to have better power curves than their late eraish counterparts, or at least look at changing the frequency and time they come out.  

That would net a list of 24 ships which could be juggled around and maybe just two eliminated.

Another would be to make an actual list of SFB conjectural ships and put them on the block.

Another way would be to make up limit rules like no Frigate droner more than 1 drones, no destroyer more than 2 drones, no light cruiser more than 3 etc etc etc....same with fighters.   But when you start doing that of course the problem is  killing balance in the Miraks, Klings and Hydrans.

It's hopeless really...Taldren tried like hell to fix it but they nearly broke the game trying to do it.

[Lepton]

Less movement cost, too!!  No wonder I like that ship so much. 

[Dfly]

I am all in favour of a campaign with no cheese, no big stuff, similar to KCW(which was real fun, but too long due to only 1 race involved, and no ship development).  Imagine, a KCW shiplist style, involving 8 races.  That could run for 3 weeks as you have a choice of 4 races per side to try out.

[Wraith 413]

 Hmmm, how about 2 weeks ?



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[Wraith 413]

No. My name is t00l.

  ROFLMAO !!!



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[_Rondo_GE The OutLaw]

Nah, well sorta 
It's a CC+ with an additional rack and an additional AMD.
The big thing is that it drops the move cost from 1 to .83 . Not a huge imbalance perse, but something
that does give the pilot those extra few points of energy often needed in early.
CS+ was (iirc) supposed to be a competing design for..something (don't rememember which ship)
According to SFB history (again iirc) one (2?) were built as prototype, but never put into production.

We all know what the cheese ships are.  Some made it past SFC1 and some didn't survive unaltered like the SPZ and the 14 phaser KCR with 47 power.

The CAD+ and CFS/CFS+  were considered "newbie" ships (in SFc1) and usually flown by bad players looking for an edge...or better yet a "cliff".  Anyway they didnt fare all that well in ladder match play.  Since then the little bump proxies get make the ship an issue ...  if flown especially in team play where you can shield it with a wing flying a less awkward ship.  The klingon drone bone D5D was another cheeser that survived...and was definetely a newbie ship but for some reason is now "chic" to fly, even over the terror of GZ (ladder match) cheesa deluxe AD5. 

But there are SOOOO many more like the Lyran STL.   


Gosh another 170+ alpha strike at speed 31,,,I'm sooo talented....

[Hexx]

Nah, well sorta 
It's a CC+ with an additional rack and an additional AMD.
The big thing is that it drops the move cost from 1 to .83 . Not a huge imbalance perse, but something
that does give the pilot those extra few points of energy often needed in early.
CS+ was (iirc) supposed to be a competing design for..something (don't rememember which ship)
According to SFB history (again iirc) one (2?) were built as prototype, but never put into production.

We all know what the cheese ships are.  Some made it past SFC1 and some didn't survive unaltered like the SPZ and the 14 phaser KCR with 47 power.

The CAD+ and CFS/CFS+  were considered "newbie" ships (in SFc1) and usually flown by bad players looking for an edge...or better yet a "cliff".  Anyway they didnt fare all that well in ladder match play.  Since then the little bump proxies get make the ship an issue ...  if flown especially in team play where you can shield it with a wing flying a less awkward ship.  The klingon drone bone D5D was another cheeser that survived...and was definetely a newbie ship but for some reason is now "chic" to fly, even over the terror of GZ (ladder match) cheesa deluxe AD5. 

But there are SOOOO many more like the Lyran STL.   

Gosh another 170+ alpha strike at speed 31,,,I'm sooo talented....

Think someone must have had a bitter experience with a STL..

<shrugs>

Never played or cared much about any ladder match system
Escorts (atm) have been given F racks, so hardly qualify anymore, (still I assume they'd be removed)
Again though it's not as simple as pointing at a ship.. early era> I'd claim the DF is one of the cheesiest ships around, by late
neither it nor it's  DWD really qualifies.

Sure the STL is cheese, as is the Fed DNL, Fed CF, Fed DVL, , Plasma CF's,Any gorn carrier, or Plasma PF, most Rom carriers, a number of Fed carriers, half the Hydran fleet ,the Kzin CVA (or is it SCS?? can never remember) arguably the Fed DNH (vis a vis the other DNH's) any of the HDW's. most CVA's
some CVD's, some of the maulers, pretty much any ISC PPD/Plasma equipped ship, some droners, etc tec

Really far easie if DH come up with a list of what he wants to use, then hears arguments for adding stuff  rather than deciding what to keep in.

[FPF-DieHard]

We culd always go back to OOB . . . . 

KIDDDING!!

Problem about Cheese is you can remove some without removing others. 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

You could always take out much of the specialty ships, make it a two race server, and import various line ships from allied races into the list for variety and to fill gaps.

[Dizzy]

We all know what the cheese ships are... like the Lyran STL.   

Wha??? Just cuz it's a cheese ship doesnt mean it needs to go. I mean, the STL is hands down the most destroyed ship on SG6... 

[FPF-DieHard]

As far as Cheese-Dreads go, could we simply price them CVAs?

[Dizzy]

Depends on the cheese. But then we start having to classify cheese. That's something I dont want to get into.

[FPF-DieHard]

Depends on the cheese. But then we start having to classify cheese. That's something I dont want to get into.

DNLs, Fed DVL, L-STL

[Dizzy]

I dont like any of the DNL's. Compare the regular dreads to them... they seem WAY overpowered when they come out... Like fast battlecruisers on steroids almost but with bad HETs. I say the DNL's are tech before their time...

L-STL is canon fodder. Only good for the other team who gets to kill it.