Topic: Kat Fight

[Hexx]

Why is everybody so scared of X-tech? Almost every server is none or limited x-tech and then it is only x phasers. Lets have some phaser A's and B's or at least some heavy weapons. This is a game dynamic I personally believe is overlooked too much.It doesn't have to be cheese if they are balanced out correctly.

Short of completely redesigning the X2 ships and weapons there's no real way to balance them against anything non X2 tech.
While I have (another) set of (very) tentative plans to have an X2 weapon or two show up in a later server, the X2 ships themselves will never show in nay campaign I'd run.
What's the point of having a ship that runs at spd 31, 6 points of ECM and can carry (at least) half it's heavy weapons on OL's?

We just had a campaign battle with a Gorn fleet (DND, Psuedo carrier, HDD) fought a ISC (XCF and XCL).  The X fleet was soo fast that the Gorn could not even land a torp.  The entire Gorn Flag Fleet, with Admiral on board was destroyed with no loses to ISC.  That has caused the entire Gorn border to be in trouble as now there is a wonder if any non X gorn fleet can stop the advance of the ISC X fleet.

It made a number of folks re examine their view on X ships and many have called for a outright ban on them in the next campaign. 

I will be making a point to look over your modified X ships, as I sorta like em too, but I am facing some issues with them now also

Again the ships described (XCF/XCL) are the 2nd generation Xships, with basically enough power to do absolutely anything they need to while flying SPD31
They're ridiculous. IF you incorporate some of DH's X ships they're not as bad- His are about equal to the BCH's of the races, some a little better, some a little worse.

[Kaz]

Is there a way to put out a ship that has "some" hvy weapons in exchange for normal ones that wouldn't require it to have such a high pwr level? Thus avoiding a ship that can run spd 31 with OL weapons, etc.

The campain "Return of Dr. Strangelove" for me, was a good example of blending the techs. Minus the Shadows of course.   

[Skaren]

I just played in that last night, the Vorlon sh*t was really cool, pretty fun to play with.  I don't mean for Dyna or anything, but still fun.

The super Vorlon Battleship was unreal !!

[Hexx]

Is there a way to put out a ship that has "some" hvy weapons in exchange for normal ones that wouldn't require it to have such a high pwr level? Thus avoiding a ship that can run spd 31 with OL weapons, etc.

The campain "Return of Dr. Strangelove" for me, was a good example of blending the techs. Minus the Shadows of course.   

Of course - the issue is how you balance it.
I have (somewhere) a few designs based on using ships with the "prototype" weapons
Based on a CCH hull, with a point or two of AWR added, stripped of it's own heavy weapons
as well as some of it's pahser armament. Replacing them with a few PhB's/PhA'a /whatever.
They alos lose numerous hull and cargo boxes to represent the extra space and fragile nature of the new systems.
The problem is in
- making the ship fun to fly
- keeping the new tech balanced across 8 races
- making sure that while you achieve the first two, it's not by creating ships that are better than
  every other ship in the game

[Mutilator]

Lyrans have PFs. Kzin have drones. (cheese argument officially over.)    Vive la difference!

Having had Chuut destroy my Mirak MDC+ in a Lyran PFT more than once... I forget which server....

Think you meant..

Lyrans have PFs.Kzin have drones.Kzin have better PFs. Lyrans have better pilots.

No he meant Lyrans have Pfs Kzin have drones which a competent Lyran can easily avoid, Lyrans have better pilots when Chuut is flying Lyran   

Wonder if you missed a word there Chuut?

Sure you do not mean "Lyran have better pilots even when Chuut is flying Lyran!" 

At any rate I am sure FSD will be interested in any server that has Lyran as a playable race...especially if that means we get to  kill your smelly Kzint butt. 

[Kaz]

Ah, I see. Sounds like it is quite the undertaking and time consuming.

[Hexx]

Last of the Warlords

It is perhaps unfortunate that his original name has been lost in time. In fact almost nothing is know about his previous life.
It is believed he didn't originally start out as a military officer, his tactics and strategies showed no signs of any formal instruction, even the
rather dated and sterile strategies favoured by the old Hegemony Nobles showed more of an understanding for basic military thinking than anything the Warlord was ever seen to accomplish. It is believed that he may have been a manic depressive type personality, old records still exist that show him unpredictably fluctuating between pointing out the Kzin Navy's excellence and deriding it's lack of ability within the same sentence.

 It is commonly held that he was a low level flunky of some greater patron before the collapse, believed to be either proprietor of some sort of
backwater bar, or perhaps a legal consultant at said property. It must be pointed out that while, as with most rumours this must be only considered until proof is found, it is interesting to note that the base viciousness and savagery of his attacks increased after the accidental destruction of the Star's End station. It is also again important to note that despite the claims of the conpiracy theorists, there is no evidence the Lyran Navy targeted the station intentionally. Every indication is that it was actually an internal explosion, not unknown during the conflict, especially on those ships known to be using Federation supplied drones. 

 In any event the question remains with us to this day. Who was the Kzin warlord that rose from seeming obscurity to plunge such a large area of territory into chaos? It would likely to prove to be a fascinating study of Kzin psychology & physiology to find out, and be able to see what forces shaped him. Although lacking anything beyond a rudimentary understanding of military tactics and strategy, time and time again he exhibited almost prescient ability to avoid any sort of decisive battle. It is  deeply unfortunate, (although completely understandable) that the final rebellion against the Warlord by the Kzin peoples he had enslaved destroyed so many records...

From " Can I Play With Madness .. a new look at the Kzin Warlords during the Kzin Pacification"
Dante Press
pub 2287

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Lyrans have PFs. Kzin have drones. (cheese argument officially over.)    Vive la difference!

Having had Chuut destroy my Mirak MDC+ in a Lyran PFT more than once... I forget which server....

Think you meant..

Lyrans have PFs.Kzin have drones.Kzin have better PFs. Lyrans have better pilots.

No he meant Lyrans have Pfs Kzin have drones which a competent Lyran can easily avoid, Lyrans have better pilots when Chuut is flying Lyran   

Wonder if you missed a word there Chuut?

Sure you do not mean "Lyran have better pilots even when Chuut is flying Lyran!" 

At any rate I am sure FSD will be interested in any server that has Lyran as a playable race...especially if that means we get to  kill your smelly Kzint butt. 

Hmmm lets see, holder of record for career prestige as a Lyran......that would be Chuut 

And most PvP kills as a Lyran  prior to a server where PvP kills weren't encouraged by VC rewards.....that would be Chuut 

Most PvP kills during a server of any type as a Lyran....thatwould likelyl be Chuut as well   

Best ratio of PvP kills to being killed as a Lyran, .....not sure here but likely not Chuut, Chuut is probably about 3rd or 4th  after Mog, Firesoul, and Matsukazi, but I may fall behind a few others as well.  Now if it wasn't for Die Hard Chuut might rank higher. (Not to mention a very bad mission vs Scipio)

I'd say I do a pretty fair job as a Lyran pilot.

As for my smelly butt, I guess you have gotten a good whiff as I hung it out a porthole and mooned you in passing.      

By the way Mutt, just for the record you are an awesome Lyran pilot as well, and much better at fleet flying with Lyrans than I am, your right up there with Dizzy in that regard <S>.  But don't think Chuut doesn't bring the Lyran average up a bit when he flies Lyran.

Also my Victory Record as a Lyran RM is 100%   

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Last of the Warlords

It is perhaps unfortunate that his original name has been lost in time. In fact almost nothing is know about his previous life.
It is believed he didn't originally start out as a military officer, his tactics and strategies showed no signs of any formal instruction, even the
rather dated and sterile strategies favoured by the old Hegemony Nobles showed more of an understanding for basic military thinking than anything the Warlord was ever seen to accomplish. It is believed that he may have been a manic depressive type personality, old records still exist that show him unpredictably fluctuating between pointing out the Kzin Navy's excellence and deriding it's lack of ability within the same sentence.

 It is commonly held that he was a low level flunky of some greater patron before the collapse, believed to be either proprietor of some sort of
backwater bar, or perhaps a legal consultant at said property. It must be pointed out that while, as with most rumours this must be only considered until proof is found, it is interesting to note that the base viciousness and savagery of his attacks increased after the accidental destruction of the Star's End station. It is also again important to note that despite the claims of the conpiracy theorists, there is no evidence the Lyran Navy targeted the station intentionally. Every indication is that it was actually an internal explosion, not unknown during the conflict, especially on those ships known to be using Federation supplied drones. 

 In any event the question remains with us to this day. Who was the Kzin warlord that rose from seeming obscurity to plunge such a large area of territory into chaos? It would likely to prove to be a fascinating study of Kzin psychology & physiology to find out, and be able to see what forces shaped him. Although lacking anything beyond a rudimentary understanding of military tactics and strategy, time and time again he exhibited almost prescient ability to avoid any sort of decisive battle. It is  deeply unfortunate, (although completely understandable) that the final rebellion against the Warlord by the Kzin peoples he had enslaved destroyed so many records...

From " Can I Play With Madness .. a new look at the Kzin Warlords during the Kzin Pacification"
Dante Press
pub 2287

.......I wonder at the  scarcity of records concerning "the Warlord" is considered a great loss by historians, how rising from such obsurity he was able to transform much of the Hegemony into a virtual war machine and then suddenly abandon it to create a rare moment of Kzinti and Lyran mutual cooperation and fight with the Lyran navy and how he in which he rose to command all Lyran forces after the disappearance of King Sten and lead them to their greatest and first victory.  Yet most of those he lead and who praise his name in song were to be his next victims as he once again returned to the Hegemony and led a war of eradication that resulted in the deaths over over half of the Lyran populance.  Thus was his name stricken from the Lyran records.   But this was before I knew him........   

I met him when we turned once again to his leadership when his unigue abilites led us once again, this time commanding the unified Feline forces to victory in the Second Feline Crusade.   We stalked among the stars and fell all prey who opposed us.  I still remember the taste of the blood in my jaws and the shrieks of the fallen as they passed on to the Great Hunt, their prey moments ahead of them as the enemy fallen ran from our fallen warriors pursuit through the afterlife.  Would that I had died then during those days of glory and heroism, but it was my curse to survive.....Myself and the others who remained among the Lyran officers serving under "the Great Warlord"  found it once again advantageous to forget his name once the conflict was resolved, perferring to toddy to local politicans who fed our pockets with credits supplied with graft and other forms of corruption, all the while dreaming of the glory days of the Great Crusade when they stalked the Alpha Quadrant as hunters and Warriors alongside the Warlord and ate the freash flesh of their enemies rather than being fed dead processed meat supplies by our Lyran patrons..

From  "The secret diaries of the Far Stars Warriors and other personal accounts"
2288
University of Lyraa press

[Mutilator]

Hmmm lets see, holder of record for career prestige as a Lyran......that would be Chuut 

And most PvP kills as a Lyran  prior to a server where PvP kills weren't encouraged by VC rewards.....that would be Chuut 

Most PvP kills during a server of any type as a Lyran....thatwould likelyl be Chuut as well   

Best ratio of PvP kills to being killed as a Lyran, .....not sure here but likely not Chuut, Chuut is probably about 3rd or 4th  after Mog, Firesoul, and Matsukazi, but I may fall behind a few others as well.  Now if it wasn't for Die Hard Chuut might rank higher. (Not to mention a very bad mission vs Scipio)

I'd say I do a pretty fair job as a Lyran pilot.

As for my smelly butt, I guess you have gotten a good whiff as I hung it out a porthole and mooned you in passing.      

By the way Mutt, just for the record you are an awesome Lyran pilot as well, and much better at fleet flying with Lyrans than I am, your right up there with Dizzy in that regard <S>.  But don't think Chuut doesn't bring the Lyran average up a bit when he flies Lyran.

Also my Victory Record as a Lyran RM is 100%   

OMG Chuut you sound like a Maple leafs fan that has not seen time move past 1967! 

Past records are great and I am sure your old "model T" CA was great in it's day but the sun has set on those old records.  Perhaps like an old vet your hindsite of past evens plays out in your mind like it was yesterday. 

Perhaps like the Leaf fans knowing you did win something once upon a time may bring you confort like that old pair of shoes you slap on when your putting out the garbage... or perhaps these forums have been a little to quite for my liking  since KCW and I am getting board of logging on and finding not much that peaks my interest like when we have an old rock'em sock'em server going. 

That couple with the fact I only have another six weeks or so before I head back off to sea for four months, and there does not appear to be anything in the works that will be running before then.  I figure as you were poking a little fun with the Lyrans and the French, deux chose je connaître à fond familier.  I would poke some back at one of the most skill and honourable guys I have met since coming to dyna. You know I would be honoured to fly Lyran, or any race for that matter anytime with you... but it is just soooooo much fun flying against you. 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

 

Ahh you did indeed catch my purpose, to drum up a littel fun activity for these quiet boards.   

Nothing like a goodnature jibe or three at your buddies.

It always a pleasure to fly with or against you Mutt, we had a blast on AOTK II, largely thanks to you and the FSD who put in alot of time, played great team strategy, contributed to the good humor, and just plain kicked butt in PvP.  It was the closest thing to the old KAT/KOTH days of glory that I had experienced in a long time.  Back then you'd see 5-8 and (as many as 15 at times) Kzin on most of the night and voice coms would be like a frat party more than a war zone.  Even between servers we'd all spend hours at a time on MSN messenger just chatting about silly stuff and passing jibes and funny pics back and forth (most directed at Maverick and Fluf of course)

I'm very glad you see my little jokes for what they are, I'd hate it if anyone actually got offended.

I also enjoy flying with you guys a great deal, and flying against you as well, hope I get the chance to do both many times in the future.

BTW this is my first really good shot at the Lyrans, in the past I've passed them over a bit in favor of the Klingon Villiage People, The Hydran Teletubbies, The crossdressing Gorn (Yes I was the origional creator of the tutu fad), etc.  The fact that the Lyrans have now been targeted is a tribute to you guys.  In the past there weren't enough Lyrans to poke fun at in comparison with the other races, you guys have changed that, and now its the Kzinti that have pretty much died out as a race with a few of us hanging on.

P.S.  If you want to put my semi-serious bragging to rest, the best way to do it is to rack some some nice records of your own flying Kzinti.  Breaking any records I set as a Lyran is to be expected (well except for the 982,000+ prestige one  , yes I did that as a Lyran!  ), but if you start making your way into the Kzinti records as a Lyran pilot, then you can start talking some real "smack" to me 

I've seen quite a few Kzin pilots do well in Lyran ships, unfortunately I can't say the reverse, that speaks volumes    (Mog is the exception that proves the rule)

[Hexx]

  (Mog is the exception that proves the rule)

I think it just shows that Mog was born to fly Kzin

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

  (Mog is the exception that proves the rule)

I think it just shows that Mog was born to fly Kzin

Agree totally, flyinf a Mirak ship he'd definately kick your Lyran tushy 

[Hexx]

  (Mog is the exception that proves the rule)

I think it just shows that Mog was born to fly Kzin

Agree totally, flyinf a Mirak ship he'd definately kick your Lyran tushy 

<assuming Mog isn't going to read this at any point>

I've NEVER been killed by anyone named Mog flying a Kzin ship of any type.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

  (Mog is the exception that proves the rule)

I think it just shows that Mog was born to fly Kzin

Agree totally, flyinf a Mirak ship he'd definately kick your Lyran tushy 

<assuming Mog isn't going to read this at any point>

I've NEVER been killed by anyone named Mog flying a Kzin ship of any type.

Don't be so sure, Mog doesn't fly Kzin under the "Mog" callsign 

[Mog]

Chuut, he's well aware of that, because he is technically correct that "Mog" hasn't killed him with a Kzinti ship.

[Icehawk]

i think some people misunderstand x tech nobody would fly a constition class ship in picards time i would be trashed by a well equiped tng frigate

[Hexx]

Bumping just so I don't have to go hunting for this later.

[_Rondo_GE The OutLaw]

It depends on the speed/type of the drones and the use of MIRVs I would think.  The later the era the more poer/advantage the Miraks start getting.