Topic: Slave Girls Mod Corrections (Read 95802 times)

Dizzy · « **Reply #160 on:** September 12, 2006, 11:04:25 pm »

Quote from: Lieutenant_Q on September 12, 2006, 10:51:18 pm

If you don't mind having a n00b, I've got all day tommorow off.

I'll be there with my candy truck...

762_XC · « **Reply #161 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:20:47 am »

Quote from: FPF-DieHard on September 12, 2006, 11:03:56 pm

Quote from: 762_XC on September 12, 2006, 10:57:51 pm
Said before the game:

t00l: "You know if I beat you with a D5D I'm posting a screenshot."

DH: "If you beat me with a D5D you SHOULD post a screenshot!"

Lyran PFs with Phaser 1s, check!

Such ingratitude after I point out the flaws in your drone defense!

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #162 on:** September 13, 2006, 07:44:27 am »

One thing we will absolutely need for the 'double' fighters is a different fighter model so peeps don't scream too loudly....

Maybe pink Hydran fighters?

Hexx · « **Reply #163 on:** September 13, 2006, 08:08:43 am »

So I'm to understand that Lyrans can't have Ph1's on their PF's because t00l doesn't like it, but the biggest
concern about Hydran 2xfighters is their colour?

Kinda odd...

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #164 on:** September 13, 2006, 08:27:37 am »

Um... Lyran PF's in SFB had ph2's correct?

Why should they have ph1's then?

The fighter comment is just a play on Kroma's pink gr0n fleet.....

But something should be done to distingush regular fighters from 'double' fighters...

Hexx · « **Reply #165 on:** September 13, 2006, 08:46:49 am »

Quote from: Capt_Bearslayer_XC on September 13, 2006, 08:27:37 am

Um... Lyran PF's in SFB had ph2's correct?

Why should they have ph1's then?

Um Fed's didn't have PF's in SFB correct?
Hydran Stingers had 10 hit points in SFB correct?
Hydran Stingers had FA HW in SFB correct?

Need I go on?

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #166 on:** September 13, 2006, 08:57:49 am »

Um... the Fed PF's are conjectural.

The stats that were provided are used. Just like the stats for the R-KCR were provided and used...

As for any fighter's HP's and HW mounts, they were changed to reflect the inconsistent behavior of fighters in SFC.

Gotta love having your fighters walk up to the enemy and do.... NOTHING.... until that flight of 4 is whittled down to one measly fighter....

So please, feel free to go on...

Hexx · « **Reply #167 on:** September 13, 2006, 09:55:14 am »

Quote from: Capt_Bearslayer_XC on September 13, 2006, 08:57:49 am

As for any fighter's HP's and HW mounts, they were changed to reflect the inconsistent behavior of fighters in SFC.

Gotta love having your fighters walk up to the enemy and do.... NOTHING.... until that flight of 4 is whittled down to one measly fighter....

So please, feel free to go on...

Yet Hydran fighter's were changed to wider arcs (everyone else went FH, Hydran went FX) and Hydrans (again alone) gained extra hits..

I'm not saying it doesn't help out the balance issue, but I fail to see why it's Ok yet upgrading 2Ph2's toPh1's on Lyran PF's would somehow unbalance the whole system.

762_XC · « **Reply #168 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:47:47 am »

You are already getting a free PF upgrade, since everyone else's are getting downgraded.

The 2 hp's on Stingers is so they are not the total bitch of drone fighters. In SFB it was completely the opposite, because they had chaff, didn't waste their gatlings on range 14 shots, and had a DFR of 4.

Hexx · « **Reply #169 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:26:21 am »

Quote from: 762_XC on September 13, 2006, 10:47:47 am

You are already getting a free PF upgrade, since everyone else's are getting downgraded.

The 2 hp's on Stingers is so they are not the total bitch of drone fighters. In SFB it was completely the opposite, because they had chaff, didn't waste their gatlings on range 14 shots, and had a DFR of 4.

And just how many drone fighters do you usually encounter on the average server?

Because it seems to me that if it takes 8 extra hits to kill a squad of 4 fighters, thats a few extra PH1 hits above and beyond
what they should have to do in order for a Lyran ship to eliminate a group. Seeing as how pretty much every Hydran ship carries the fighters
you're OK with disadvantaging arguably 90% (number completely pulled out of my ass) of the Lyran/Hydran fights, as well as any Klingon/ Hydran
fight that doesn't involve drone fighters.

And SFB doesn't hugely apply. as I've been told that (apparently) Lyran PF's work great in that game because you can concentrate
the disrupter fire (?). And of course those ph2's are also often fired at excessive range.

Hexx the righteous.

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #170 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:30:52 am »

Chiil on this guys, the "Double fighter" still needs to got through a lot of tested before this will be allowed. last night's test it seemed a bit much, we need to test it in a "legal" fleet before any information decision can be made.

See in comabt this evening.

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #171 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:35:00 am »

Quote from: Hexx on September 13, 2006, 11:26:21 am

Quote from: 762_XC on September 13, 2006, 10:47:47 am
You are already getting a free PF upgrade, since everyone else's are getting downgraded.

The 2 hp's on Stingers is so they are not the total bitch of drone fighters. In SFB it was completely the opposite, because they had chaff, didn't waste their gatlings on range 14 shots, and had a DFR of 4.

And just how many drone fighters do you usually encounter on the average server?

Because it seems to me that if it takes 8 extra hits to kill a squad of 4 fighters, thats a few extra PH1 hits above and beyond
what they should have to do in order for a Lyran ship to eliminate a group. Seeing as how pretty much every Hydran ship carries the fighters
you're OK with disadvantaging arguably 90% (number completely pulled out of my ass) of the Lyran/Hydran fights, as well as any Klingon/ Hydran
fight that doesn't involve drone fighters.

And SFB doesn't hugely apply. as I've been told that (apparently) Lyran PF's work great in that game because you can concentrate
the disrupter fire (?). And of course those ph2's are also often fired at excessive range.

Hexx the ~~righteous~~ race whore.

Ah, but you are perfectly fine with being able to destroy an entire fighter group with no risk to yourself since they normally fire their phG's at range 14 and usually don't fire the fusions until the second pass....

Yeah, sounds like you are wildly disadvantaged against most Hydran ships...

And DH is right, this is play testing still.

Nothing has been set in stone.

Not to mention that t00l has only ever let one IC ever be purchased on a server (I talked him into getting it and giving it to DM6) and it was destroyed rather quickl. IIRC, it was a Lyran ship that killed him too)

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #172 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:27:43 pm »

I want to go on the record now saying I think the IC is a bit much wiht the equilvelant of 40 fighters but I imagin this would be just as evil in SFB if not worse. On a Metal system, this might need to cost MORE than a CVA.

I have no opbjection to TRYING Lyran PFs with Phaser 1s. If I have time for tonights edits I will do that as well

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #173 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:55:14 pm »

It might be if the fighters listened well... problem is... they don't... and with bigger maps... cornering someone really isn't an option anymore.

As for making the cost more than a CVA... It has no heavy weapons... it has ok PD with 8 phasers and 2 phG's.

But it is the 2nd highest BPV of all the CVA's. And they will have HW mounts with 24 fighters.

Federation DN F-CVA+ DREADNOUGHT 219 Hydran DN H-IC+ DREADNOUGHT 288 Hydran DN H-ID DREADNOUGHT 237 ISC DN I-CVAZ DREADNOUGHT 289 Klingon DN K-C8V DREADNOUGHT 274 Klingon DN K-C8VK1 DREADNOUGHT 260 Klingon DN K-C8VK2 DREADNOUGHT 261 Klingon DN K-C8VK3 DREADNOUGHT 267 Mirak DN Z-CVA DREADNOUGHT 243 Mirak DN Z-CVAm DREADNOUGHT 263 Mirak DN Z-CVAR DREADNOUGHT 252 Mirak DN Z-CVARm DREADNOUGHT 272

762_XC · « **Reply #174 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:01:14 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on September 13, 2006, 11:26:21 am

Quote from: 762_XC on September 13, 2006, 10:47:47 am
You are already getting a free PF upgrade, since everyone else's are getting downgraded.

The 2 hp's on Stingers is so they are not the total bitch of drone fighters. In SFB it was completely the opposite, because they had chaff, didn't waste their gatlings on range 14 shots, and had a DFR of 4.

And just how many drone fighters do you usually encounter on the average server?

Plenty, and many of them Lyran.

When a Lyran CVD can kill an ID without breaking a sweat you know something is broken.

Dizzy · « **Reply #175 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:52:14 pm »

Lyran PF should have Ph1's. They will still suck balls.

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #176 on:** September 13, 2006, 02:58:52 pm »

Um... yeah, right...

By that comment, I can tell you haven't piloted a Hydran against any Lyrans with PF's.....

Riskyllama · « **Reply #177 on:** September 13, 2006, 06:02:47 pm »

are we gonna use the warp scripts tonight?

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #178 on:** September 13, 2006, 06:55:19 pm »

Quote from: Riskyllama on September 13, 2006, 06:02:47 pm

are we gonna use the warp scripts tonight?

The Large map is fine for testing.

No changes to the list from last night, head hurts, need some drugs.

http://69.125.26.106:9000/images/SGO62_9-12-2006.zip

I'll be on around 9 PM

Dizzy · « **Reply #179 on:** September 13, 2006, 08:16:10 pm »

Quote from: Capt_Bearslayer_XC on September 13, 2006, 02:58:52 pm

Um... yeah, right...

By that comment, I can tell you haven't piloted a Hydran against any Lyrans with PF's.....

Ya, running from Ph1 armed PF's isnt fun. But consider range 30 Proxies from Fed PF's. Oh wait, you're allied to the Feds, so nm.

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