Topic: Slave Girls Mod Corrections

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

I don't see how that would be a solution, Hexx.

B/c now you got to balance the Hydrans and their poor (SFB vs SFC) drone defense to the Feds AND the Kzinti instead of just the Klinks.

It would, in the end, just cause more problems.

[FPF-DieHard]

This game is Rock-Paper-Scissors and we wlll never get an every class even accross all races.   We are best off keeping the traditionall alliances (and not using ISC   )

[762_XC]

What do the Klinks have?

Their carriers are across the board worse than teh Feds/Kzin/or Hydran

Absolutely not true

Their fighters are across the board worse then Fed/Kzin/Hydran until 80- and then Hey! PFs are out

Absolutely not true

Oh and their PF's are worse than Fed and Kzin,

Absolutely not true

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

IIRC, are not Klink fighters the mirror image of the Kzinti fighters, they just come out a year or so later?

[762_XC]

They are slower but have a few more hp's.

Compare the Z-2 to the SAS and the Z-V to the HAAS. Same YFA's.

Z-Y and TAAS are identical.

[Lear]

How about the KDR, KFR and K5RB

[Lear]

Also if you would remove the "30"point penalty from when
the KFR was a ubber frigate to 5 because it is now a cl would be nice

[Hexx]

What do the Klinks have?

Their carriers are across the board worse than teh Feds/Kzin/or Hydran

Absolutely not true

Their fighters are across the board worse then Fed/Kzin/Hydran until 80- and then Hey! PFs are out

Absolutely not true

Oh and their PF's are worse than Fed and Kzin,

Absolutely not true

 I think you're wrong (although I'll take out the Kzin) but obviously little point in continuing.
Have to do that "agree to disagree" thing 

I believe (for traditional alliances) you've got to Balance Feds/Klinks & Gorn/Roms
The ISC won't balance, and the other 3 really work on different ship/fleet tactics.

[Hexx]

Also if you would remove the "30"point penalty from when
the KFR was a ubber frigate to 5 because it is now a cl would be nice

What 30 point penalty?

[762_XC]

Well if you're going to make that assertion Hexx you have to back it up. Which carriers are you talking about? The C8VK has superior long range firepower to any of the other CVA's, and the D7V will mop the floor with a Fed CVS, which is never flown anyway because of its atrocious power curve.

The G1's have AMD, which is pretty huge in and of itself.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

I think you're wrong (although I'll take out the Kzin) but obviously little point in continuing.
Have to do that "agree to disagree" thing 

You really need to look over the stats before you say that the fighters and PF's are unbalanced.

[Hexx]

Well if you're going to make that assertion Hexx you have to back it up. Which carriers are you talking about? The C8VK has superior long range firepower to any of the other CVA's, and the D7V will mop the floor with a Fed CVS, which is never flown anyway because of its atrocious power curve.

The G1's have AMD, which is pretty huge in and of itself.

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Yes I suppose if the Fed CVA doesn't lauch it's fighters it'd lose big time.. and I'd argue the CVA has the ability to proxy for "long range firepower"
And I feel like such a tool for missing the D7V -CVS matchup. Those Z-2's will carve their way through the F15's! And of course the Fed pilot will try and engage in a running sabre dance with the Klingo rather than castling.
Of course 1 year after the D7V comes out ,so does the Fed CVF...but heck 72 is the important year anyway..

And yes (seriously this time) The G1's have AMD, I can (honestly) see why you don't want huge numbers of AMD PF's zipping around.
But the Fed PF's match the G1's AMD, add an additional Ph3 for PD (or knowing the AI shooting at rng 15), match the drone racks, match teh Dis with a Photon and (most importantly) replace the Ph2's with Ph1's,.

Now there was someone (think he was a Klnk- don't remember his name) years ago who told me that I simply didn't understand Ph2's, and that is his hands they were every bit as good as Ph1's. really I'm of the belief there's a huge diffeernce though.

[Hexx]

I think you're wrong (although I'll take out the Kzin) but obviously little point in continuing.
Have to do that "agree to disagree" thing 

You really need to look over the stats before you say that the fighters and PF's are unbalanced.

Uhmm yes...silly me.. let's do that.. yes,yes, Feds and Klink PF'a pretty much match up across the board..
must check stats on the Ph2's vs Ph1's.. perhaps I've been wrong all these years ans they are actually better..

But maybe the fighters.. letsee F14 vs...Hey! he's right! The ZYB will totally kick that things ass!..oh wait there's a F14A..
Well maybe the ZV vs F18.. hmm F18 is faster, has more drones, can fire SPD 31 (32?) drones, has 2 Ph3s as opposed to 1
but oh look..teh ZV has 2 more dmg points..well that's got to be worth the spd, ability to fire spd 31 drones, and the doubling of phaser firepower..

Again- until 2280 the Feds have fighter superioity (though the 77 sees it narrowed considerably) and while the Fed F14s are sill superior after 80, both have so many drones they can easily eliminate the other.

And yes- before it's mentioned- Klink PF's are out a year earlier- but No, they don't match up to the Fed PF's.

[Hexx]

Anyway- back to the C8V thing
(admittedly dunno what's been done)

Why not 4xF racks for upgrades? 2 F racks seems a little weak, but (imo) 4 B racks is too many drones.
Even 4 A racks might be a better balancing idea.

[762_XC]

Um, because it has 6 dizzies, 10 Ph-1, and 2 more power than the CVA?

[Hexx]

Um, because it has 6 dizzies, 10 Ph-1, and 2 more power than the CVA?

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I'll assume we're talking about the C8VK vs Fed CVAR - you confused me with the 2 more power remark sorry
(C8Vk has 58 power,F-CVAr has 54, 58-54=4)
And yes it does indeed have 6 Dizzies,and 10Ph1s.
Next we can point out that the Fed CVA has no disrupters...

Or we could say the Fed CVA is far more able to defend itself against drones and fighters than the C8V , especially since it doesn't even have to
worry about the C8Vs drones, it can concentrate on those super fighters the Klinks have that I can't seem to find listed.

The C8V is a good ship but -it needs drones- to compete with what (from SFB) it was designed to compete with- the Fed CVA
My *completely personal and I like to think objective opinion* is that 2 F racks are a little weak, but I also think 4 B racks are too much.
Kinda depends on how many Ph1s (and which arcs) you yank out. Or maybe rip off a couple of disrupters.

[762_XC]

Hexx, that's a load of p00p. Yes if you want to play suicide Klingon and charge the CVA then you do need more PD to survive. Obviously based on the ship design that's not going to be the tactic of choice.

So what if he castles? 4 phots and 6 ph1 are not going to compare to 6 dizzies and 10 ph1 which can fire every turn.

The Klink will be fine as long as he doesn't pretend he's a Hydran. Unless he's fighting a Hydran, then of course he'll win.

[Hexx]

The issue is the Fed has enough PD to shred the fighters and any drones they launch until it's own F14s have theri way with teh C8v
-I'm not advocating giving it racks and keeping it's phaser and disrupter suite, but it needs the drones.

BTW (while we're talking about super cheesy fighters)

Is there an actual set time from the time that the direct fire (ie your Fusion/hellbore) fighters drop
before they can fire or is it "as soon as" ? It seems to be immediately, but I'm curious if there's a set time?

[KBF-Crim]

Who the hell flies a C8V?

Lets address the D6U and D5U eh?...they are superiour to which races carriers? I must have missed that somewhere....

[Hexx]

Who the hell flies a C8V?

Lets address the D6U and D5U eh?...they are superiour to which races carriers? I must have missed that somewhere....

Again talk to the guys at ADB (or whoever does it now) 
Keep having the klinks build carriers to match teh Feds and Kzin and leaving the important bits off