Topic: Slave Girls Mod Corrections

[Hexx]

- Question was raised if the C7T and D5T (??) could be put back in the list.

- Perhaps rename all PF's across all the races so each has PF,PFP,PFB,PHwhatever so a simple easy to use chart
  can be placed.

 

[FPF-DieHard]

- Question was raised if the C7T and D5T (??) could be put back in the list.

Not while I draw breath

Can Fed ships get a B turnmode?  It is as ridiculous of a request.

- Perhaps rename all PF's across all the races so each has PF,PFP,PFB,PHwhatever so a simple easy to use chart
  can be placed.

Not a bad Idea, but I dont' think it's that complicated.   Pehaps a chart of What Pfs had what weapons on an Excel sheet could be useful.


 

[FPF-DieHard]

Personally I'd think the Lyran DNH is fairly well matched against the Reg.
I'd hate to see the Reg (like the Kzin CF/NCFetc) gain more PVP power against their Lyran equivalant.

Against an L-DNHT?  On what planet does this stack up well?

[Hexx]

Not while I draw breath
Can Fed ships get a B turnmode?  It is as ridiculous of a request

<shrug> said I'd ask- I think the C7T would be OK (don't honestly remember anyone flying one)
Dunno why there was a D5T, think the D7 should be fine..

Not a bad Idea, but I don't think it's that complicated.   Perhaps a chart of What Pfs had what weapons on an Excel sheet could be useful.

I don't think it's that complicated either, yet it was asked time and time again on VT.

Against an L-DNHT?  On what planet does this stack up well?

All things (pilot skill etc) being equal 8 Hydran St fighters will kill 4 Lyran PF's
Each squad of 4 can easily one shot one PF.
With those 2 out, the Lyran ship has an advantage yes- but I don't think it's an overwhelming one.
I'm not trying to criticize what you guys are trying to do (although.. I know it's what I'm doing)

All I'm saying is -does it need to be upgraded? No it's not as good as a C10K, (which I understand was upgraded to meet the Fed DNH)
but does it have to be? I'd argue the Lyran DNH isn't as great as either of them either. I'm not arguing for an upgrade though.

Perhaps it would be better if I said (not that anyone listens to me anyway  ) to..maybe try a minor adjustment first?
I don't know who's idea it was for the Kzin BF/NCF upgrade, but that was kinda way ott for no real good reason.

[FPF-DieHard]

More to come!!  Dizzy, this is what I've done so far for the 6.1 testing . . . .

Federation:
-   F-CS+:   LYA changed to 7.   Leave 1 year of overlap with the NCL
-   F-DNH :   DC set to 6.   1 AMD12 removed
-   F-DNM:  DC set to 6.    3 AMD6 Removed
-   Federation PFs side and back shielding reduced


Klingon:
-   K-C10K: Set back to “stock” for testing.  DC stays at 12.
-   K-C8VK:  4 B-racks added.  2 Disrupters (FX) removed.  2 Phaser 1 removed.  Ship is very close to Z-CVAR
-   2 B-racks added to small carriers.
-   Check the YFA's for all ships- Klingon D5P/D6P/DWP all have YFA's of 14- should be 16 (when the K-INT is out)

Lyran:
-   Lyran CC+ has YLA of 39, should be 11 (When the CCH is out)
-   Fix Lyran CVD (fighters need to be L-Swift, not K-swift)

Gorn:
-   Redundant CVP removed
-   Shuttle launch rate on carriers corrected


Hydran:
-   H-REG removed (h variant comes out the same year)
-   H-REG+ (2 more Gats) added FOR TESTING ONLY SO NOBODY FLIP OUT!!!!!

Romulan:
-   R-FFH-Kf, R-RHKf, R-NHKf added

Kzinti:
-   Z-BF: FYA changed to 2268.   DC was already 6.  Phaser arcs changed so less fire backwards.
-   Z-DNH Power set back to stock for Testing

[Hexx]

Do you have the actual correct refits of the Lyran ships or do you need them?

[Hexx]

And (damn drugs messing up my sleep ) playing devils advocate- so far the changes are
(99% in jest cuz I'm bored- some concerns may arise, of course will wait to see "final" fixes)

-Fed CS+(unique) left in- LYA changed for 1 year overlap of NCL (which happens to be YFA of NCL+)
-Fed PF's- reduced already minimal shileding- still hands down the best PF in the west
Fed-DN's reduced massive AMD count (...I respect this, even if they are still practically immune to drones.. sure there's not going to be backlash?)

Klingons
-improvements to carriers, fighters still suxxor (do people still say suxxor?probably not eh? really need to get out more)

Lyrans
-fixes to shiplist
no improvements to general ships to match improvements to other races ships-
sure we'll never have to fight them so it won't be an issue 

Gorn
- Alliance ship-gets F torps (we know it's coming)
(plasma race gets improvement, if Lyran were only Kzin maybe they'd get something as well )

Hydrans
-First of a bazillions gats going to be added to the Reg+,
(no improvements to Lyran ships planned)

Roms
-Get some casual tenders they should have had <cough*conspiracy*cough> still don't seem to have the all cool FH-Pf

Kzin
-Keep improved BF's (that are of course to help vs plasma, fact they outgun Lyran ships deemed irrelevant)
(no improvement to Lyran ships planned)

Z-DNH power...reduced???
DAMN!! How did I miss something like that.
(must make note to check all Kzin and Hydran ships against SSD's, see what else has been snuck in)

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Kzin
-Keep improved BF's (that are of course to help vs plasma, fact they outgun Lyran ships deemed irrelevant)
(no improvement to Lyran ships planned)

And what year do the Lyran BCHs start coming out?

If the Moggy BCH was being used you might have an argement here, if it isn't you might want to keep quite as this point of view would suggest its inclusion    I fought Risky in a couple of Z-BF vs L-BF matchups and it is really a pretty close fight, especially when you realize a fair portion of these fights may occur when the Kzin doesn't have a full drone load.  DH is already reducing the number of rear firing phasers, with that change I don't think the Lyran CF will be at a disadvantage at all.

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** Again haven't seen the final list, so don't want to get ahead of anything here**
But..
As long as the Lyran BCPP is a metal ship it doesn't matter.

-I'm not saying the Kzin BF isn't needed-I don't know
I DO know that there were a heck of alot of Kzin BF kills on SGO6 for a "almost balanced" ship

It is a ship that (even with a YFA of 68) can outrun or outgun any Klingon ship (until 75, and then the NCF(with upgrade) is available
-can outrun and outgun (although far more marginally) any Lyran ship (with the obvious exception of said BCPP) in it's timeframe
(dunno what the new arcs are like- remember Lyran don't have the best arcs either)
-with 4 drone racks is an above average hex flipper

So you have a ship (that I'm told) was created to balance out the PVP ability of the Roms- although the Roms (I don't believe) were given anything to balance out the
hex flipping ability of the Kzin
A ship that can still (as mentioned) flip hexes better than most and (again) arguably (Ill use arguably- haven't slept and I admit my thinkings not 100%)
can outrun and outgun any Lyran or Klink ship it's likely to face.
A ship that's upgraded to another upgraded CF version that it could be argued outguns (2x Cracks & 2Bracks) the (admittedly stupid) K-FDW
(and is still a better hex flipper)

**haven't slept and I admit my thinkings not 100%**  <---- reposting this in case something here came across as offensive. Didn't mean it.

Now Dizzy's proposed (and hopefully used )rule to consider CF's as Capitla ships will of course lessen teh effect- but it'ss till going to be heck of a PVP ship in a solo fight.

[FPF-DieHard]

Z-DNH power...reduced???
DAMN!! How did I miss something like that.
(must make note to check all Kzin and Hydran ships against SSD's, see what else has been snuck in)

Thse are non-complete Tentative changes dumbass.   The Power was reduced to STOCK, it had gotten a bump for SGO6 but we never really tested it.

Again, not done yet, that was just what was done last night

[FPF-DieHard]

Do you have the actual correct refits of the Lyran ships or do you need them?

Post them here and I will make the corrections tonight

[FPF-DieHard]

look, the Z-BF is a BS Cheese-ship but I don't think it will be that bad with eh new FYA of 2268.  By that point the Klinks start getting more AMD and the Lyrans are getting power refits.

Fleeting rules clasifying CFs as metal to prevent them from flying with Dreads and/or each other should finally make them reasonable so either way it should not be a big deal.

[Lear]

how about the romulan cl "f" refits also

[Dizzy]

-Fed CS+(unique) left in- LYA changed for 1 year overlap of NCL (which happens to be YFA of NCL+)

If the NCL comes out in 6, then the YLA for the CS+ should also be 6. That way they both show in the yards on that stardate for a year of ovelap. If you dont want any overlap, phase them out at 5 if the NCL comes in at 6. 7 gives you 2 years of overlap, the same year and another... too much

[Dizzy]

Do u want the serverside list from sg6, it has a few corrections we made mid server. Or use the revision list and just update that to include what was done to the serverside.

[FPF-DieHard]

how about the romulan cl "f" refits also

Which ships?  SPL+ and what else is missing?
 

[FPF-DieHard]

Do u want the serverside list from sg6, it has a few corrections we made mid server. Or use the revision list and just update that to include what was done to the serverside.

Argh, I already started.   Just PM me the changes you guys made serverside and I'll incorporate them in the BETA list

[FPF-DieHard]

Dizzy, should I do the DCR reduction to the SPecialtie ships or hld off on it until we decide we want to do this?

[Dizzy]

Dizzy, should I do the DCR reduction to the SPecialtie ships or hld off on it until we decide we want to do this?

Hold off for now, but CF's should get a DCR of 1 and DNL's 2.

Lets see... the serverside changes.... the ISC CCZ(f)/BCV all had their DCR increased to 3. I'll check to see what else was done. Basically some K-swifts to L-swifts in the lyran carriers...

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Some of this may seem confusing as (as I've mentioned0 FS seems to have reversed the power and phaser refits
(althought the phaser refits were available from 68, for "balance" I'll leve them out until the year they became "common" for that ship)
L-DN
LDNP add 4 APR 1 Battery (to the base DN)(YFA 5 YLA 6) (Replaces DN)
DNP+ add 8 pts each to shleld 3,4,5 replace 1 Ph3 LS,1 Ph3 RS  with Ph1's (to the DNP) (YFA 7,YLA 16)

L-DNL
No refit years given- everything available from start. Simply YFA DNLPp 5

BC
L-BCP add 8 APR 2 Battery (to the BC)(YFA 5,YLA 6) (Replaces BC)
L-BCP+ add 8pts to shield 3,4,5 ,replace 1 Ph3 LS,1Ph3 RS with Ph1's (to the BCP)(YFA 7,YLA 16)

CWL
CWLPp available from YFA 5 (replaces CWL,CWLp)

CWEP replaces CWE (YFA 8 )

CWPp replaces CWP (YFA 5 )