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Offline ShadowLord

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SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« on: August 08, 2006, 10:52:11 am »
Not really knowing where to post offical kills now that the SQL is down -- so here goes


KHH_ShadowLord M-BF
KHH_MRogue M-DF+

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KBF Kurok D7C

Kurok did very well but died in the end -- He managed to capture MRogues Df+ as  we were trying to cap his D7C --

As a result I was forced to not only Kill the D7C but also the captured DF+

1 Point for the death of the D7c

ShadowLord

Well flown to Kurok

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2006, 11:04:26 am »
Kills page is up and linked from the flatfile webmap:

http://www.dynaverse.net/webmap_sgo6_ff/kills.php

I had to modify it a fair bit so just let me know if it wonks out or behaves unexpectedly.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2006, 11:57:55 am »
Seems to work fine -- Kill is now reposted on your link and this thread can be removed


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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2006, 04:13:19 pm »
Not really knowing where to post offical kills now that the SQL is down -- so here goes


KHH_ShadowLord M-BF
KHH_MRogue M-DF+

VS

KBF Kurok D7C

Kurok did very well but died in the end -- He managed to capture MRogues Df+ as  we were trying to cap his D7C --

As a result I was forced to not only Kill the D7C but also the captured DF+

1 Point for the death of the D7c

ShadowLord

Well flown to Kurok

Sounds like a great battle.
Good job on Kuroks part against the odds.  ;D
Doesn't Kurok also get a VP in this instance since he capped the DF+?
According the rules, smaller ships, such as DDs and FFs, not normally worth a VP, are worth 1 VP if accompained by a live wing.  ;)
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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2006, 05:16:03 pm »
yup.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2006, 05:19:42 pm »
Good for him -- well done Kurok

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 01:08:50 am »
ty a well fought battle on your part

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 06:29:44 am »
I have a question for Dizzy.

My wing and I go into a battle vs a player.  That player has a CA and is given an AI wing under his control with his name on it.  We take out the 2 ships.  Do we post the kill as only the CA or as his loss of the CA and the controlled AI?

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 07:05:23 am »
I have a question for Dizzy.

My wing and I go into a battle vs a player.  That player has a CA and is given an AI wing under his control with his name on it.  We take out the 2 ships.  Do we post the kill as only the CA or as his loss of the CA and the controlled AI?

Very good question.

It is arguably easier to take out one or both ships of a single person flying them than two others each commanding their own vessels, all ships being roughly equal. And while ideally we want to completely strip AI, AI will make a game when there would otherwise be none. Seldom do we get AI in missions, but it does happen and for added flavor.

I fought earlier with Krueg and Soth vs myself, Kraven and DH. Krueg had two ships of which one was exactly as described by you above. Soth and Krueg both died as did his wing, but we counted only 2 VC's, as it would be unfair to ask of him to take the liability of using fleet command on an unsupplied ship. Would that ship have not been there, the two likely would have fled before us and no battle whatsoever would have taken place. It should be noted that their AI wing did give them some help as I was reduced to a smoldering drifting hulk in that mission and was towed all the way back to drydock without power.

I'd have to say that risks must be taken and not all AI draws will be alike, balanced or equal in any fashion, but you play the cards as they fall to you... or you fold and get out. One other example would be the battle I had with Hexx. We engaged the other in a 3 on 3 each with two AI wings with which one of my frigates charged far ahead hard into his line of ships and perished quite quickly. This led to a 3 on two for some time. Eventually Hexx came up a little short and I took the edge eventually destroying him and all his AI. I did not report the kill, however, as he was in a .5 move cost ship despite the fact he had AI wings. My ship was worth one VC, but in the end it comes down to what you want to risk. I chose to risk losing a PvP VC and gain none just so I could make sure Hexx knows who is taller. I think that is what each captain is faced with when they see their opponent and the ships they fly. Do you wish to engage? Will you take the risk?

In both examples, both prior to your asking this question, were ruled that no, AI does not count toward PvP VC's unless actually purchased by that player in question. I hope this is agreable to all. It makes the few battles with AI more interesting by far. That 3v3 with Hexx was perhaps one of my more entertaining PvP missions thus far this server.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2006, 07:11:24 am »
I have a question for Dizzy.

My wing and I go into a battle vs a player.  That player has a CA and is given an AI wing under his control with his name on it.  We take out the 2 ships.  Do we post the kill as only the CA or as his loss of the CA and the controlled AI?


I fought earlier with Krueg and Soth vs myself, Kraven and DH. Krueg had two ships of which one was exactly as described by you above. Soth and Krueg both died as did his wing, but we counted only 2 VC's, as it would be unfair to ask of him to take the liability of using fleet command on an unsupplied ship. Would that ship have not been there, the two likely would have fled before us and no battle whatsoever would have taken place. It should be noted that their AI wing did give them some help as I was reduced to a smoldering drifting hulk in that mission and was towed all the way back to drydock without power.


lmao...yeah, that E4C made us a lot more confident... ::)
You got junked because you came in at sp 31 and tried to tractor me right off the bat... :P
I'm still amazed you didn't blow up... :-\

I don't believe player-controlled AI should count for Kills...IMHPO
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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2006, 07:20:10 am »
I'm still amazed you didn't blow up... :-\

I will continue to amaze you this server, sir.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2006, 09:27:23 am »
AI should never count unless it is bought as a multi-ship fleet.

By the same token I don't think we should have player-controllable AI assigned by missions.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2006, 09:43:25 am »
By the same token I don't think we should have player-controllable AI assigned by missions.

Why not?
Oh come on... its one mission and its usually a rinky-dink little reinforcement frigate.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2006, 05:06:57 pm »
By the same token I don't think we should have player-controllable AI assigned by missions.

Why not?
Oh come on... its one mission and its usually a rinky-dink little reinforcement frigate.

I understand where tool is coming from... I mean, when he can hardly rely on himself to stay alive, last thing he wants is an unreliable AI helping him to do the job.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2006, 05:19:26 pm »
Ooohhh... that's low.   :rofl:  Scorch, pow!  Bad Dizzy, bad!

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2006, 05:22:20 pm »
For all concerned, I have  not reported any AI ships that were assigned by AI method.  :)

However you may note in the Kills page I did post 2 DF+ (DF+ and DF+) and a 2 VC for it as that particular pilot actually had those 2 ships(albeit .5 movement), and he had a heavy live wing thus worth another 1.

On this server, I thought you were not to fly multiple ships unless it was those Q specialties or 3 Frigs, of which 1 was to be command and 2 were to be vanilla?

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2006, 05:25:16 pm »
Multiship fleet rules spell it out pretty well. And no that 2 DF+ fleet wasnt exactly kosher.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2006, 10:20:24 pm »
Gees, Neg Karma, wow, .  Wish I knew why.

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2006, 10:48:14 pm »
Here's a plus from me for being RM and helping take up the slack. ;)

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Re: SGO 6 Temporary Kill page
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2006, 10:51:47 pm »
Thank you  ;D