Topic: When does SFB time meet with Star Trek timeline?

[Age]

  When does the timeline in SFB meet up with that of Star Trek or does it?I was wondering if there is ever a Kitomor Accord agreement ?

[Ornery Rooster]

Star Fleet Battles and Star Trek don't share the same timeline.

SFB supposedly takes place during the original series era of Star Trek, but think of it more as taking place in an alternate universe.  There are no Lyrans in Star Trek and no Cardassians in SFB, for example.

[FPF-DieHard]

Use the time of Gorn first contact to match everything up as that occured on the show.

[PANZERBUNNY]

well.....considering they encoutnered the gorn in star trek enterprise......things aren't taht stable anymore with the time line hehe

[Lieutenant_Q]

no...THEY didn't.  The Gorn was encountered in the Mirror, Mirror Timeline early.  Presumably because the Terrans are far more exapansive there... 

[Rod ONeal]

  When does the timeline in SFB meet up with that of Star Trek or does it?I was wondering if there is ever a Kitomor Accord agreement ?

IIRC the original 5yr mission was Y155 to Y160 in SFB terms. No Kitomor (sp?) accord. The Klingons are always the badguys in SFB. The first confrontation (depicted in TOS with Kirk and the Gorn Captain duking it out. I don't recall the episode name.) with the Gorns was Y157.

[yochenhsieh]

IIRC the original 5yr mission was Y155 to Y160 in SFB terms. No Kitomor (sp?) accord. The Klingons are always the badguys in SFB. The first confrontation (depicted in TOS with Kirk and the Gorn Captain duking it out. I don't recall the episode name.) with the Gorns was Y157.

Kirk vs. Gorn Captain: "Arena", year 2267.
Kirk's five-year mission is 2265-2270 according to memory-alpha:)
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Five-year_mission

[Khalee1]

If you want to get all technical about it  the time lines meet when Xships first appear in sfb, as they would be the first movie type ships. Then the so called lost era would be operation unity in sfb, when the Andros were finally defeated.

the trade wars that accrued afterwords would be the start of the TNG era. That era would also be when the 2nd generation xships came about.

But I suppose you could fudge that back to the late lost Era time line as well

[Magnum357]

I've come to the conclusion that SFB and Star Trek are kinda different universes/realities (kinda like the Mirror Universe Eps).  Steve Cole has said in the past that SFB/SFU is not really based on Star Trek, more on the Tech Manuals of the TOS.  People have wanted him to include stuff from TMP and TNG stuff, but with so many differeneces with those shows compared to TOS and SFB, I think he prefers to make SFU as whole seprate universe then trying to copy stuff from TMP/TNG era Star Trek. 

I can see linking TOS Star Trek Dates to SFB Dates can be possible, but forget trying to link TNG Star Trek dates to SFB dates.

[Nemesis]

IIRC the original 5yr mission was Y155 to Y160 in SFB terms. No Kitomor (sp?) accord. The Klingons are always the badguys in SFB.

In spite of Federation propaganda to the contrary the Klingons are not the bad guys.  We have the misfortune to be occupying an area of space that was mostly mined out by a prior civilization.  To survive we must expand.  Those in our way must accommodate us or be removed.  It is a matter of species survival not evil that compels us to be militaristic.  It could be argued that the Federation by attempting to block that expansion is Evil because they would rather see the Klingon race destroyed rather than allow us access to the required resources in border territories.

(Listen to Kor explain to Kirk during Errand of Mercy).

[Rod ONeal]

IIRC the original 5yr mission was Y155 to Y160 in SFB terms. No Kitomor (sp?) accord. The Klingons are always the badguys in SFB.

In spite of Federation propaganda to the contrary the Klingons are not the bad guys.  We have the misfortune to be occupying an area of space that was mostly mined out by a prior civilization.  To survive we must expand.  Those in our way must accommodate us or be removed.  It is a matter of species survival not evil that compels us to be militaristic.  It could be argued that the Federation by attempting to block that expansion is Evil because they would rather see the Klingon race destroyed rather than allow us access to the required resources in border territories.

(Listen to Kor explain to Kirk during Errand of Mercy).

Nonsense! If the Federation wanted the Klingon race destroyed they'd just do it. 

[Ravok]

IIRC the original 5yr mission was Y155 to Y160 in SFB terms. No Kitomor (sp?) accord. The Klingons are always the badguys in SFB.

In spite of Federation propaganda to the contrary the Klingons are not the bad guys.  We have the misfortune to be occupying an area of space that was mostly mined out by a prior civilization.  To survive we must expand.  Those in our way must accommodate us or be removed.  It is a matter of species survival not evil that compels us to be militaristic.  It could be argued that the Federation by attempting to block that expansion is Evil because they would rather see the Klingon race destroyed rather than allow us access to the required resources in border territories.

(Listen to Kor explain to Kirk during Errand of Mercy).

Nonsense! If the Federation wanted the Klingon race destroyed they'd just do it. 

 Only in one of your timid,weak, FlatHead dreams.

[762_XC]

He meant to say bad breath guys.

[Panzergranate]

Well in SFC 2250 = SFB Y146, if you go by some of the ship introduction dates.

The Klingon's use of Drone Missiles comes directly from the episode "Errand of Mercy" as the Enterprise is show under fire form them.

There is some acknowledgement of SFB in keeping ST alive with TNG's mention of Mercurite Missiles. Also in ENT Tholians are depicted as crustaline spider like creatures. This was never revealed in TOS but is a description given of Tholians in SFB. Also the mention of Riker's  cuuning as a tactical offiecr on another ship in evading a Tholian dreadnaught. Perhaps one of the two DNs the Tholians have in SFB??

If you look carefully at some TNG, DS9, Voy and ENT episodes youu can see that perhaps SFB may have had some influence on writer's minds.

Oh, yes, the  Defiant corvette's Pulse Phasers and SFBs PhG work the same way!! Coincidence??!!

[Age]

IIRC the original 5yr mission was Y155 to Y160 in SFB terms. No Kitomor (sp?) accord. The Klingons are always the badguys in SFB.

In spite of Federation propaganda to the contrary the Klingons are not the bad guys.  We have the misfortune to be occupying an area of space that was mostly mined out by a prior civilization.  To survive we must expand.  Those in our way must accommodate us or be removed.  It is a matter of species survival not evil that compels us to be militaristic.  It could be argued that the Federation by attempting to block that expansion is Evil because they would rather see the Klingon race destroyed rather than allow us access to the required resources in border territories.

(Listen to Kor explain to Kirk during Errand of Mercy).

Nonsense! If the Federation wanted the Klingon race destroyed they'd just do it. 

 Only in one of your timid,weak, FlatHead dreams.

Well the is what the Federation is trying to do expand outwards as we need more space to keep humanity alive.
       
          Mutanthead and you do have badbreath

         Oh btw I am not talking about TNG just Kirk's era.

[Panzergranate]

It is man's natural instinct to dislike Cats, something they have in common with Klingons!!

Perhaps a Klingon - Federation alliance to keep the Universe's gardens free of Alien Feline cat poop??!!

Runabouts are based on the SFB MRS shuttle concept evolved.

The Maquis Perigrine PFs....... PFs  are straight from SFB.

Now hands up how many readers think that some of the ST writers have played SFB at sometime or other??

If you're well versed in SFB you'll spot the subtile inspirations and items in ST from SFB.

 

[Soreyes]

It is man's natural instinct to dislike Cats, something they have in common with Klingons!!

Perhaps a Klingon - Federation alliance to keep the Universe's gardens free of Alien Feline cat poop??!!

 

The Feds like us Kitty's    We all know what happens when the Klingons and the Kzin team up 

[Panzergranate]

I've played as Kzinti in SFB and SFC,  and once the drone racks are bare, things are a bit dicey, to say the least!!

Anyway the Feds and the Klingons have had umpteen altercations with the Kzinti in the past.

Klingons only need allies to draw enemy fire and act as cannon fodder!!

As Kzinti ships use late old 2100's design (the rust colour scheme gives this away!!) with poor direct fire weaponry, compared to Klingon ships, they fill this role adequately.

At least Klingons fight alongside their allies, unlike the Romulan P'taks, who prefer to trick their allies into doing all the fighting for them!!

[Ravok]

It is man's natural instinct to dislike Cats, something they have in common with Klingons!!

Perhaps a Klingon - Federation alliance to keep the Universe's gardens free of Alien Feline cat poop??!!

Runabouts are based on the SFB MRS shuttle concept evolved.

The Maquis Perigrine PFs....... PFs  are straight from SFB.

Now hands up how many readers think that some of the ST writers have played SFB at sometime or other??

If you're well versed in SFB you'll spot the subtile inspirations and items in ST from SFB.

 

 Who told you that??

 We think cat tastes just fine.

[Hexx]

Klingons make excellent lackies.

Feds make excellent 'nip.

And really- for 99.999add infinitum "similarities" between SFB and TNG are coincidental at best.

I fail to see a "hey look, TNG has a small warship with warp power- it must be a PF!!!!"  connection of any sort.
Runabouts would generally be "shuttles evolved" You know shuttles- the things in the original series as well?

SFB is very much a 20th century Naval Wargame slapped on a Star Trek background.

[Panzergranate]

Klingon's have cooler looking ships than either the Lyrans or Kzinti!!

All Lyran ships have hydroponics decks so that the crew have somewhere to crap!!

Howcome there isn't a canine based race in Star Trek??

[Panzergranate]

Having played all manner of naval wargames over the years I can state categoriccally that SFB is nothing like a naval wargame.

It takes only half an hour to pick up the rules and play of  a system. It takes a long time to fathom SFB rules.

I've played Warhammer's Battlefleet Gothic ans their rules are clearly galleon style warfare set in space and so simple that a Pakled could understand them.

I devised a team gameplan in one game using the classic "Crosing the T" conbined with another classic naval maneuver, "Ship Baiting", which was Drake's tactic with the Spansih Armada. Apparently it still works on suckers in BFG as well!!

OK "Crossing the T" cannot be performed in SFB or SFC as cannot a few other classic naval maneuvers, so therefore it isn't a converted 20th Century naval wargame system. It's a lot more complicated!!

As for PFs and TNG small warships.... it isn't the fact that its a small warp powered ship, its the role it performs that is identcal to fast patrol ships in SFB that is identical.

[The Archduke]

SFU does have a canine race, the Carnivons.  Unfortunately, the Carnivons were essentially wiped out by the Lyrans and Kzinti in the early years.  However, their home world was never found and it is rumored that a couple of packs avoided detection so they could make a reappearance some time. 

Also, SFU does not include TNG stuff because they are not part of the license.  The official license ADB has from Paramount only includes TOS and TAS information.  It does not include anything from the Movies or later.  Due to this, SFU and ST have some major differences in respective histories.

[Panzergranate]

rBearing in mind that ENT has even less in common with TOS and TMP than SFB or FASA, I gave up long ago trying to decide which universe is going in the right direction.

As we're all playing SFC then the SFB timeline is basically in effect,which wanders off on its own course at the end of TOS. Throw in some of the FASA ships for late middle period onwards plus a few plausable Jackill's TMP designs and the SFC universei s about right and balanced.

ENT screws up badly with technology history, almost as if they'd sourced writers from soap operas who'd never seen a single episode of Star Trek ever. No attempt seems to have been made to guide writers so as to interface neatly with TOS technolgy history or even some TNG episode old technology history mentions. (Geordi mentioning the date of the first successful human transporter event, which contradicts ENT's use of the transporter!!)

I've actually realised that there is no bird based lifeforms portrayed in either Star Trek, SFB or FASA!! Obvisously it would be Corvid based as scientists today have acknowledged that Crows (a member of the Corvid family) are the next smartest creature on the planet and the only other creature to actually fabricate tools.  I keep one as a pet and they are unbelievebly smart compared to Cats, Dogs or Parrots. They also pee and crap seperately as they're ananomically different to normal birds.

A Corvid based life form would be interesting.

[The Archduke]

panzer, 

   Actually, I believe SFB does have an intelligent avian species in it. The Paravians are a race from the Early Years that were a nemsis of the Gorn.  Unfortunately, the Paravians lost a war to the Gorn and were blockaded on their home planet.  A sun snake dove into its sun and forced it to go nova killing the planet.  However, I believe there was some Paravian colonies in the Omega Octant.

[Panzergranate]

I would reckon that a bird base dpsecies, being more evloutionarily evolved than the Gorns, would be a threat to the Gorns.

Is there a moluusc based lifeform and if so, do they fear the possiblity of the French discovering their homeworld??

[The Archduke]

I don't actually have the module with the Paravians in it (yet, working on getting it) but from I understand it the Paravians and Gorns share common ancestors.  The Gorns were seeded on 4 different planets (3 close and 1 farther away).  One planet was struck by an asteroid that caused major damage and caused the Gorns to evolve into the Paravian birdmen.  The Paravians discover fossil evidence of the original lizards and think them somekind of demons.  When they meet the Gorn centuries later, they have a instinctual species reaction to them and start attacking them.  At first they are winning but end up losing and getting pushed back to only their home planet.


As far as I am aware, no muluusc based life form that I am aware of lol.....

[Panzergranate]

I saw a warlike snail based winged alien race. These were giant creatures the size of a horse and carried 4 heavy energy beam weapons on shell mounted gimbals on the front, sides and rear shell position controlled by a head mounted helmet. They also had limited personal deflector shielding to ilaser/plasma based nfantry and support weapons.

It was in a 1960's Sci-Fi book and these creatures were attempting to annex another alien world into their growinng empire. I have a picture somewhere of one of these creatures.

Anyway, intervention of an Earth science party determines that laying cables across the intended route of the attacking snail creatures and then powering them up electrivcally will kill the snail creatures. It works and they retreat.

These creatures are extremely agressive in the story and regard all other life as potential slaves. An interesting race ot be incorporated into the game?? After all the Kzinti are actually taken from  a non-Star Trek Sci-Fi story written in the 1960's.