Topic: Dial Up Question

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

I recently have been working to increase the speed of of my dial up connection and one of the ways I have been TRYING to do this is filter out the noise in the phone line..now I can get a in noise filter (if a line noise filter does work) but I do have this DSL filter.. would a DSL filter help out my connection speed even though I am not on DSL(yet  )??

P.S. I tried the DSL box and it isnt helping my connection that much so will a line noise filter help?

[Just plain old Punisher]

No, I DSL filter won't help you in this case.

Line noise depends on a great deal many things. You can try to sort out line noise issues by purchasing a digital phone line from your local phone company, but that would probably cost as much as high speed internet.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Digital Phone Line..That actually would cost MORE then DSL currently

[Just plain old Punisher]

Well thems the breaks, and to be honest, you probably won't get much more performance out of your dialup modem in any case. The FCC limits dialup connections to 53kbps at most.

You can attempt to rewire your home to try and isolate potential causes of line noise, but in the end, most of the line noise out there isn't due to your homes wiring. It happens as a result of all the various connections between you and your dialup providers computers.

[Sirgod]

THere's a few things you might try.
Try to keep the phone line as short as possible, if at possible. (work area etc.)
Try to keep all appliances or Electric devices, as far away as possible.

Things you can look at but might not be able to do anything about.
Is there any construction going on nearyour place, or Phone box?
IF your very good with Phone wires, you can make your own using a heavier cable. It'll look funny, but hey whatever works to get the insulation you might need.

Heh, It reminds me years ago, I worked for AOHell, and this one guy kept having line noise problems. We contacted the phone company, everything. When I asked him if there was construction or the like, He responded, well they are working on the Nuclear reactor down the road about 500 yards. I couldn't help but LOL at that one.

Stephen

[Bonk]

In my experience the number one cause of noise on the phone line is having cheap phones and/or fax machines on the line. Also having an excessive number of devices plugged into the line will cause problems, as they all draw power from the line reducing the voltage available for the actual signal to be carried on.

Try unplugging everything in the house that is attached to the phone line except the modem you are using to connect, and plug it directly into the wall for this test. Then try adding the other devices back on one at a time to see which one introduces the most noise. I would be particularly suspicious of cordless phones. If possible use a USR modem, accept no substitutes, especially "softmodems". If internet activity produces CPU load, get rid of it and get a real hardware modem.

Myself, I use "The Stick" to power devices on the line and handle switching tasks. It has a lot of dandy features, but I don't know if I'd fork out for a new one, I got this one for $5 at a yard sale.

Some surge protectors also include a filter for a phone line which helps protect against surges to the PC through the phone line but will not do anything for noise on the other side of it.

Also ensure the com port settings for the modem are appropriate, and check the parameters for the modem configuration button  on the connection properties general tab and try various combinations of the "Enable hardware flow control", "Enable modem error control" and "Enable modem compresion" settings (generally best with all on if available). Also check the networking tab of the connection properties and under settings for the type of dial up server try enabling software compression and LCP extensions if not enabled. Also on the networking tabe try disabling any unnecssay protocols, TCP/IP is all that is required. Also check your modem settings for any weird init strings. If present, copy and save them somewhere and try removing them, or try a manufacturer reccomended one if any.

[Sirgod]

Aargh. Bonk you just gave me a flashback to Com port switching with win 3.1 and 95.

Bad bonk, bad bonk.

Stephen

[Bonk]

Aargh. Bonk you just gave me a flashback to Com port switching with win 3.1 and 95.

Bad bonk, bad bonk.

Stephen

    Sigh... the good 'ol days. They weren't that bad. RS-232 is your friend! Let's leave GPIB out of it...

[Sirgod]

Aargh. Bonk you just gave me a flashback to Com port switching with win 3.1 and 95.

Bad bonk, bad bonk.

Stephen

    Sigh... the good 'ol days. They weren't that bad. RS-232 is your friend! Let's leave GPIB out of it...

That I can understand, all this New THp sql backed with WHQL WYSIWYG stuff you keep going about just confusies me. I remember when a Hard Drive had two cables, and It was a headache to deal with dip switches and Jumpers.

Anyway, where' not helping him at all, poor guy.

<snikers> Is this where I suggest to him to go Sattelite to give you more problems Bonk? 

BTW, I did a rather large Graphic intensive thread in H&S, I was just curious if It generated errors for you, as I haven't posted Graphic for a week or so. Thought It might also help in tracking down the problem.

Stephen

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

OK I live in a big house, so I have.. lets see..6 phones in the house.. 5 are cordless.. the computer is sitting directly above the phone jack and I am using the shortest wire I have. It does go into the surge protector to protect from surges. Modem is a GTW V.92 Voicemodem.. no real construction going on in my area, though the phone lines were cut accidental with the construction back about 7 months ago.. also no fax machines in the house.. will try some of the stuff suggested to see if it helps

Oh, and I have the Extra Initialization Command at X0 (ISP Approved) and my ISP is Earthlink(was called Mindspring back in the 1990's)

[Bonk]

BTW, I did a rather large Graphic intensive thread in H&S, I was just curious if It generated errors for you, as I haven't posted Graphic for a week or so. Thought It might also help in tracking down the problem.

Those errors I'm seeing are generated only by DirecWay users, no one else, and they only occur when the [more] smilies popup is used. I'd suspect a problem with the javascript generated by the SMF code but it works for everyone but DirecWay users. Perhaps there is something about the javascript that bugs out the DirecWay proprietary packet compression... I'm still baffled by it.

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[Bonk]

lets see..6 phones in the house.. 5 are cordless..

Bingo... try unplugging them all. (EDIT: from the phone line as well as power) You will not see the effect without reconnecting to your ISP with the modem after all the phones have been removed from the circuit. And skip the surge protector for now just to test. Then add it back in when you know its not the problem.

Though if some of these phones are in your folk's or sister's room etc. they might not be too understanding. Make sure they are agreeable to such a test before you go ahead.

GTW V.92 Voicemodem

Ah, that is a Gateway softmodem... You could try updating the drivers to the latest if they are not already. Are you using a Gateway laptop? Does it have a PCMCIA slot? If so you might consider a hardware PCMCIA modem, they can be found pretty cheap nowadays, but it may not be worth it if you have DSL on the way.

[Sirgod]

Bonk is right, those GHz phones cause all kinda havock . If you don't need them, (I'd say one at the most), go with land lines for them. It will help a hell of alot.

Bonk, Here in a few months, I'll try another Sat. con Maybe hughs net. I'll pass that Info along, for all the good it will do, I don't think those Peeps over there even know how to spell Computer.

Stephen

[Bonk]

Bonk, Here in a few months, I'll try another Sat. con Maybe hughs net. I'll pass that Info along, for all the good it will do, I don't think those Peeps over there even know how to spell Computer.

No need to change ISPs on account of just this. Its just driving me nuts, even though its not that big a deal.

[E_Look]

My kids access the 'Net on their rigs from my wireless router and right next to their two machines is a cordless phone (and we have a few more around the house, so when they unplugged it, there's still interference with the reception).  Never have I ever heard such whining.  No matter.  I have zero sympathy for kids who play too much online (an hour is fifty minutes too much).  Doing honest work on the computer does not require any wireless, cordless anything... just some readin' 'n' 'ritin' and mebbe sum 'rithmetic (or diff eq's or programmin').

P.S.  Even if they switch from whatever silly anime-sopped kiddie game they play to SFC on one of you guys' servers, I'd be again' it.  Kids play too much onlne these days.  Hail the cordless phone!  They can be a parent's secret weapon to outdo even Punisher's evil tech.   

[Bonk]

More than 10 minutes on the phone is a waste of time...

Cordless phones are not going to affect a wireless router (probably not at all) in the same way they could affect dial-up. Their affecting dial-up has nothing to do with being cordless actually, it has to do with an excessive number of cheap devices being plugged into the phone line, drawing power and introducing noise.

I would agree, wireless internet is for the birds, its not going to maintain a stable connection under any circumstances. No matter what. Trying to maintain remote Desktop/VNC sessions would be desperately frustrating.

Cordless phones are a good thing for the physically challenged, other than that I have no time for the goddamn phone at all.

Gaming is a better, more healthy use of an internet connection than spewing hateful poitical bile over and over and over for years at time which nobody cares about anyway and is doing nothing for you... At least gaming is fun, that is what this website is about despite what some may think.

[Dracho]

Another thing you can do is go to Radio Shack and get a spool of phone wire for around $12.  Run a wire directly from the phone box to your computer (you'll need a jack as well).  Most houses have several patches in the wiring and each one degrades the quality of the line and introduces noise.

[Sirgod]

Good idea. If he lived closer, I have a spool of Tele wire, almost 1000' from when I had to put jacks in our Mobel homes out here.

Stephen

[Jack Morris]

More than 10 minutes on the phone is a waste of time...

Cordless phones are not going to affect a wireless router (probably not at all) in the same way they could affect dial-up. Their affecting dial-up has nothing to do with being cordless actually, it has to do with an excessive number of cheap devices being plugged into the phone line, drawing power and introducing noise.

I would agree, wireless internet is for the birds, its not going to maintain a stable connection under any circumstances. No matter what. Trying to maintain remote Desktop/VNC sessions would be desperately frustrating.

Cordless phones are a good thing for the physically challenged, other than that I have no time for the goddamn phone at all.

Gaming is a better, more healthy use of an internet connection than spewing hateful poitical bile over and over and over for years at time which nobody cares about anyway and is doing nothing for you... At least gaming is fun, that is what this website is about despite what some may think.

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I printed your response Bonk, and yes, I'm guilty of being on Hot and Spicy too much too. 

I'm gonna post it by my P/C on my desk to remind me everyday about the good ole days when I was addicted to SFC and EAW and OP and never spent too much time on the H&S forums. 

[Jack Morris]

I'm custom building sunscreens, and that saves me money on my electric bill. That is accomplishing something that is within my control. 

It's hotter than Hades here in central TX and no rain or relief in sight.