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Offline Nemesis

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Re: LMAO!! Watch Kirk Kick Picards Butt
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2006, 12:26:25 am »

You just like the fact that on his first mission with the Enterprise he surrendered and you know you could dominate him.  He wasn't even ASKED to surreneder and he volunteered.  Worf should have killed him and taken command.

And his third..... and his fifth.....   Really, he seemed to make a habit of it for the first year of his command.  I think Roddenberry was just having a good French joke.

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Be fair, he only surrendered once in the 1st season, in the first mission.  He did ATTEMPT to surrender in the fourth mission to the Ferengi but when they misunderstood him and refused to make an unconditional surrender to him he reversed himself and his ships counselor recognized what was actually going on.

His violations of the Prime Directive were legion and he mostly never even noticed them. 

Code of Honor - for example was open contact with a pre Warp civilzation and he fired on the planet with Photon Torpedos (an act of war). 

Justice - he again openly contacted a pre warp society and it isn't until he refuses to allow them to carry out their criminal justice against a crew member that he realizes he is violating the Prime Directive (he also sent down a landing party with a member who had no communicator who was then allowed to be isolated from the rest of the party).

Angel One - was another pre Warp society that he openly contacted this time he claims that the Prime Directive does not apply to civilians - they can interfere to their hearts content. 

Symbiosis -  where he openly offered to rescue the interplanetary freighter of a pre Warp culture and only when he realizes that he is dealing with interplanetary drug dealers does he realize that he is violating the Prime Directive once more.

Until those cultures had warp drive or otherwise became aware of interstellar civilization contacting them was in violation of the Prime Directive. 

In later seasons he interprets the Prime Directive as blocking all open contact even to the point of allowing natural disasters (Pen Pals) to destroy entire species that he could save.  The stated purpose of the Prime Directive was to protect developing cultures.  If a culture is being destroyed by outside means that are beyond their technology OR they are not developing then the Prime Directive does not apply. 

As examples of cases where Kirk interfered but was judged not guilty of violating the Prime Directive. 

Errand of Mercy for example allowed Kirk to openly contact a (supposedly) pre Warp society as otherwise they were facing conquest by the Klingons. 

The Apple Kirk destroyed the "god" as it kept the society stagnant (and would have destroyed the Enterprise).

The Return of the Archons was a stagnant society so destroying Landru let them begin to develop again.
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Re: LMAO!! Watch Kirk Kick Picards Butt
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2006, 12:40:26 am »
The people on the planet in Code of Honor had subspace communications. They had been in touch with the Federation for a significant amount of time. Prime Directive does not apply.

"Justice" I'm not sure about. I think they had some sort of knowledge that the people had been contacted by forces outside their world. Especially since none of them thought it strange for people who didn't look like them at all to show up.

"Angel One": Absolutely correct. The Prime Directive is STARFLEET General Order 1. It has nothing to do with civilians.

"Symbiosis": Other Starfleet General Orders intervene. They are required to respond to a distress call. A call for "any vessels in the area, please assist" means them too, prewarp or no. A spacefaring civilization should have some expectation that they might not be the only people around. The interference with the drug running can be construed to be the elimination of an unnatural development, as it was engineered by the people selling the "medicine."
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