Topic: RSE D'Dval class Battlecruiser Concept WIP.... (Read 8642 times)

Raven Night · « **on:** May 29, 2006, 07:24:43 pm »

Ok, I got sick of needling the Borg textures and meshes, so I decided to make a model from scratch. This one has been wanting to be made for a while, and here is my progress sofar. I had to make a few changes here and there, like the spine, and the head is not as wide as the concept, but it is generally there.

Let me know what you think sofar. Note, I still have not done the chin ledges, tail module or ledges, or the bottom semi-wing. Just working on the top at the moment.

Terradyhne · « **Reply #1 on:** May 29, 2006, 07:51:12 pm »

this is verry cool and great design, much better than the most of those Nemesis or post Nemesis movie era Romulan designs

Shadowfleet · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2006, 08:45:05 pm »

Looks like you've got another great Rommie in the making raven. I can't wait to add her to my collection. I've replaced almost all the stock RSE models with your designs.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2006, 11:23:55 pm »

OUTSTANDING !!!!!!!!!! As usual I'll be standing by for the final version

-MP

Magnum357 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2006, 02:21:50 am »

Quote from: Terradyhne on May 29, 2006, 07:51:12 pm

this is verry cool and great design, much better than the most of those Nemesis or post Nemesis movie era Romulan designs

Yes, I must agree. I wasn't a huge fan of the Romulan ships they had on Nemisis. I wish they had designed the new Romulan ships much like this for Nemisis.

Raven Night · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2006, 06:26:36 am »

Thanks guys...ran into two problems you guys might help me with.

Ok, first, the gap between the top and bottom wings is very small on purpose. The problem is when I give the edge of the wings the drop they need for the nacelles, the flat bottom wing cuts into the nacelle...so I had to dogleg the wing, so to speak. Let me know if it looks wrong to you.

Second, the side view looks a little odd...I think it might need the but end to come up a bit to flatten out the spine...you can tell me if that is the case.

Note....the bottom wing, stages behind the chin, underpiinnings under the back spine and the bottom tail...basically the entire bottom side...is just a placecard, so to speak. Just to give an idea of how it will look. Only the top part, shown in the first post is pretty much done.

Shadowfleet · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2006, 05:40:19 pm »

Raven - nice design so take this for what it is worth since I can't hold a candle to your ability.

I'd arch the top wing spine upward some if I were you - it looks a little flat from the side view. As for the bottom wing. I'd arch it downward to mirror the top or just delete it and go with a single wing design for a change.

Looks promising as is and I'll put her in game as is in a heartbeat.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2006, 08:27:23 pm »

Here are some of my suggestions...

I have to kinda disagree with Redneck about the Wings. I actually like how they look straight in the design. I've seen a lot of Romulan Designs over the years on this board and although they look cool, I think some of the Designers try too make the ships TOO bird like. I'm assuming the Top Wing has the Engineering Compartments and too me, I think having High Angled wings would make cause too much design problems for the Power Grid or how Power gets too the Warp Engines. Ya, I know Romulans kinda design there Ships "Bird like", but some artist on this board sometimes go a bit overboard in my book. I think having the Straight wings look fine.

As for the Bottom Wing, I would like too make a suggestion of adding a small added Section to the Bottom. This could a Modular section capable of doing multimle things. Like an Extra Weapons Module could be added to this section. Or a small Engineering section Module could be added to give the ship more power or a secondary Warp Core incase the Primary goes off Line (ie. Back up). This section could also have a module that has special Hardpoints to conect it too a Cargo Pod to convert it too a tug. Just some ideas I would do if you wanted too add something to the bottom Wings.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2006, 10:47:33 pm »

I think it looks sweet just the way it is. I wouldn't change a thing

mikeholt · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2006, 05:15:22 am »

Ok, well, Raven added more to the bottom wings, you'll be able to get a better look from the pics below. When I made the pics of his model, it was pretty close to done, and now the holes are covered, so all it needs is input at this point, any changes as a result, and it will be a finished mesh after he fixes any errors.

He tried to add a "skid plate" so to speak, like on the D'Deridex, but made it part of the impulse system. The rear of the plates have an impulse vent, and so do the top wings. This ship will differ from other Romulan ships in a few distinct ways...first, the ship relies more on armor and less on shelding, allowing more power for weapons, and this ship needs it...it has 2 medium disruptor modules dorsal and two ventral (the green glowie circles on the top and bottom of the wings). Most Romulan ships have little, if any, dorsal and ventral coverage. At least the ones that Raven designs seem to. The other notable difference is that this ship will have reasonable aft weaponry as well. Not sure what he's going to put there yet, there are no marks on this mesh for them to the rear.

Up front, she has two "dualies" as he calls them (torp launchers/disruptors) in the nose, and 2 heavy disruptors (bottom wings), 6 mediums (top wings) giving her a good bite I think. She's faster than most Romulan ships, though not as fast as the Pvor I'm guessing, very menuverable, and can also act as a light transport, with the ability to attach extra modules at the rear of the ship to carry even more cargo. Cool idea.

She does not, however, carry any troops. Why that is important, I dont know. Space is limited on board apparantly. Armor is extra heavy on the ships "head", a little lighter to the rear. She can almost match a capital ship in firepower in a much smaller size, at least that is the way it sounds.

Now, the drawbacks. The weapons are powerful, but are not of the quickload variety that most Romulan ships he designs have. Only the medium disruptor banks in the forward wing are quickload, the rest have higher than normal load times. Also, the ship still remains underpowered with respect to top warp speed. I'm thinking most Federation ships can still outrun this vessel. Finally, she has limited range, so this isn't a deep space vessel...you'll see it running patrols close to a starbase or other support facility.

Ok, enough on his info....I was thinking I wanted this ship to be small, somewhere around the size of the Soveriegn perhaps. Not small compared to other ships in the capital line, but small for a Romulan. Could even go a little smaller, but I think she needs to be bigger than the Valdore. Raven is in agreement, what do you guys think?

I just love this design. I had to share his work with you guys sofar.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #10 on:** June 05, 2006, 08:33:35 am »

Looking great so far

CyberTrekFan · « **Reply #11 on:** June 05, 2006, 12:05:59 pm »

That is one badass Romulan ship you have there, I cant wait to see it in its full glory.

wrathofachilles · « **Reply #12 on:** June 05, 2006, 02:07:44 pm »

I actually like the side profile, looks like it's about to headbut the crap out of something, nice work Raven.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 05, 2006, 08:08:25 pm »

Looking very nice. Glad too see that you kept the wings straight.

One question, I've notice this in a few other TNG Romulan Designs, but what are the Round things on top of the wings and at the bottom? Even the D'Deridex Class had these too and I always thought they looked like Weapons Mounts maybe. I hope you know what i"m talking about.

Fedman NCC-3758 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 05, 2006, 08:21:54 pm »

In a word ..........

Raven Night · « **Reply #15 on:** June 05, 2006, 11:51:37 pm »

Quote from: mikeholt on June 05, 2006, 05:15:22 am

Ok, well, Raven added more to the bottom wings, you'll be able to get a better look from the pics below. When I made the pics of his model, it was pretty close to done, and now the holes are covered, so all it needs is input at this point, any changes as a result, and it will be a finished mesh after he fixes any errors.

He tried to add a "skid plate" so to speak, like on the D'Deridex, but made it part of the impulse system. The rear of the plates have an impulse vent, and so do the top wings. This ship will differ from other Romulan ships in a few distinct ways...first, the ship relies more on armor and less on shelding, allowing more power for weapons, and this ship needs it...it has 2 medium disruptor modules dorsal and two ventral (the green glowie circles on the top and bottom of the wings). Most Romulan ships have little, if any, dorsal and ventral coverage. At least the ones that Raven designs seem to. The other notable difference is that this ship will have reasonable aft weaponry as well. Not sure what he's going to put there yet, there are no marks on this mesh for them to the rear.

Up front, she has two "dualies" as he calls them (torp launchers/disruptors) in the nose, and 2 heavy disruptors (bottom wings), 6 mediums (top wings) giving her a good bite I think. She's faster than most Romulan ships, though not as fast as the Pvor I'm guessing, very menuverable, and can also act as a light transport, with the ability to attach extra modules at the rear of the ship to carry even more cargo. Cool idea.

She does not, however, carry any troops. Why that is important, I dont know. Space is limited on board apparantly. Armor is extra heavy on the ships "head", a little lighter to the rear. She can almost match a capital ship in firepower in a much smaller size, at least that is the way it sounds.

Now, the drawbacks. The weapons are powerful, but are not of the quickload variety that most Romulan ships he designs have. Only the medium disruptor banks in the forward wing are quickload, the rest have higher than normal load times. Also, the ship still remains underpowered with respect to top warp speed. I'm thinking most Federation ships can still outrun this vessel. Finally, she has limited range, so this isn't a deep space vessel...you'll see it running patrols close to a starbase or other support facility.

Ok, enough on his info....I was thinking I wanted this ship to be small, somewhere around the size of the Soveriegn perhaps. Not small compared to other ships in the capital line, but small for a Romulan. Could even go a little smaller, but I think she needs to be bigger than the Valdore. Raven is in agreement, what do you guys think?

I just love this design. I had to share his work with you guys sofar.

Well......you were close anyway.

I didnt agree for it to be small Mike........I want it to be maybe 1000 meters, smaller than the DDeridex but much larger than the Sov. Weaponry would be more powerful as well. What I said is I originally DESIGNED this to be a small ship lol. I think it needs to be larger though.

I finished the model. It just needs some tweaking, but since you already posted pics of the mesh I sent you, Ill refrain from posting new ones. BTW, the round things on the top and bottom of the ship, on the wings, are distruptor ports. I imagined they were short range defensive weapons, since Romulan ships seem to have really narrow firing arcs, at least according to the show.

I also noticed my Karma keeps dropping......I guess someone here doesnt like me too much. If Im doing something wrong to warrant a lower Karma, speak up.....if it is wrong I am sure I will adjust my behavior.

Antivyrus · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2006, 12:03:37 am »

Looking SWEET!!!!

Starforce2 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2006, 01:38:20 pm »

Quote from: Raven Night on June 05, 2006, 11:51:37 pm

Quote from: mikeholt on June 05, 2006, 05:15:22 am
Ok, well, Raven added more to the bottom wings, you'll be able to get a better look from the pics below. When I made the pics of his model, it was pretty close to done, and now the holes are covered, so all it needs is input at this point, any changes as a result, and it will be a finished mesh after he fixes any errors.

He tried to add a "skid plate" so to speak, like on the D'Deridex, but made it part of the impulse system. The rear of the plates have an impulse vent, and so do the top wings. This ship will differ from other Romulan ships in a few distinct ways...first, the ship relies more on armor and less on shelding, allowing more power for weapons, and this ship needs it...it has 2 medium disruptor modules dorsal and two ventral (the green glowie circles on the top and bottom of the wings). Most Romulan ships have little, if any, dorsal and ventral coverage. At least the ones that Raven designs seem to. The other notable difference is that this ship will have reasonable aft weaponry as well. Not sure what he's going to put there yet, there are no marks on this mesh for them to the rear.

Up front, she has two "dualies" as he calls them (torp launchers/disruptors) in the nose, and 2 heavy disruptors (bottom wings), 6 mediums (top wings) giving her a good bite I think. She's faster than most Romulan ships, though not as fast as the Pvor I'm guessing, very menuverable, and can also act as a light transport, with the ability to attach extra modules at the rear of the ship to carry even more cargo. Cool idea.

She does not, however, carry any troops. Why that is important, I dont know. Space is limited on board apparantly. Armor is extra heavy on the ships "head", a little lighter to the rear. She can almost match a capital ship in firepower in a much smaller size, at least that is the way it sounds.

Now, the drawbacks. The weapons are powerful, but are not of the quickload variety that most Romulan ships he designs have. Only the medium disruptor banks in the forward wing are quickload, the rest have higher than normal load times. Also, the ship still remains underpowered with respect to top warp speed. I'm thinking most Federation ships can still outrun this vessel. Finally, she has limited range, so this isn't a deep space vessel...you'll see it running patrols close to a starbase or other support facility.

Ok, enough on his info....I was thinking I wanted this ship to be small, somewhere around the size of the Soveriegn perhaps. Not small compared to other ships in the capital line, but small for a Romulan. Could even go a little smaller, but I think she needs to be bigger than the Valdore. Raven is in agreement, what do you guys think?

I just love this design. I had to share his work with you guys sofar.

Well......you were close anyway.

I didnt agree for it to be small Mike........I want it to be maybe 1000 meters, smaller than the DDeridex but much larger than the Sov. Weaponry would be more powerful as well. What I said is I originally DESIGNED this to be a small ship lol. I think it needs to be larger though.

I finished the model. It just needs some tweaking, but since you already posted pics of the mesh I sent you, Ill refrain from posting new ones. BTW, the round things on the top and bottom of the ship, on the wings, are distruptor ports. I imagined they were short range defensive weapons, since Romulan ships seem to have really narrow firing arcs, at least according to the show.

I also noticed my Karma keeps dropping......I guess someone here doesnt like me too much. If Im doing something wrong to warrant a lower Karma, speak up.....if it is wrong I am sure I will adjust my behavior.

I wouldn't worry about the karma, some scumbag coward was pressing mine almost daily for reasons unknown and it only improved when I posted an opinion on a ship or in a contraversial thread that should have gotten me flammed...go figure.

E_Look · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2006, 11:07:13 pm »

Quote from: Raven Night on June 05, 2006, 11:51:37 pm

[... I also noticed my Karma keeps dropping......I guess someone here doesnt like me too much. If Im doing something wrong to warrant a lower Karma, speak up.....if it is wrong I am sure I will adjust my behavior.

We have some rather childish folk on our forums... I can personally attest to that by direct experience. I don't know that you've done or said anything wrong.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2006, 11:49:09 pm »

Quote from: E_Look NCC-9091 on June 06, 2006, 11:07:13 pm

Quote from: Raven Night on June 05, 2006, 11:51:37 pm
[... I also noticed my Karma keeps dropping......I guess someone here doesnt like me too much. If Im doing something wrong to warrant a lower Karma, speak up.....if it is wrong I am sure I will adjust my behavior.

We have some rather childish folk on our forums... I can personally attest to that by direct experience. I don't know that you've done or said anything wrong.

Not releasing ships fast enough

E_Look · « **Reply #20 on:** June 07, 2006, 12:19:33 am »

See!!??

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:22:46 am »

Quote from: Starforce2 on June 06, 2006, 11:49:09 pm

Quote from: E_Look NCC-9091 on June 06, 2006, 11:07:13 pm
Quote from: Raven Night on June 05, 2006, 11:51:37 pm
[... I also noticed my Karma keeps dropping......I guess someone here doesnt like me too much. If Im doing something wrong to warrant a lower Karma, speak up.....if it is wrong I am sure I will adjust my behavior.

We have some rather childish folk on our forums... I can personally attest to that by direct experience. I don't know that you've done or said anything wrong.

Not releasing ships fast enough

Raven Night · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2006, 09:11:25 am »

If anyone has a valid complaint in that department, it would most definitely be Starforce hehe. Poor guy.

Hollis J Wood · « **Reply #23 on:** June 10, 2006, 09:38:09 pm »

that is looking awsome, cant wait to see the textures you will add

Starforce2 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2006, 09:23:52 pm »

Ok, no new pix in a week. Time for an update

Raven Night · « **Reply #25 on:** June 15, 2006, 03:08:59 pm »

Sorry, been a bit busy as of late with business business, but I will post an update shortly.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 15, 2006, 05:39:09 pm »

you didn't get flooded by alberto did ya?

Raven Night · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2006, 02:55:15 pm »

Oh no, just business business....Ok, here is the final mesh, some background, and a comparison pic with a DDeridex for your viewing pleasure. Let me know what you think.

Here is the completed mesh for the DDval. I have compiled some back info for discussion, and posted a pic with a DDeridex for scale.

This is a refit of the old Romulan DDval battleship from the TNG days. Like the DDeridex, it is now old news. Most of the old ships the Romulans had have been refit for modernization, and this ship is no exception. That is why it resembles the DDeridex so closely, as it was a smaller version to better match the Galaxy class. It has higher speed than the DDeridex, but less powerful weapons, and is heavilly armored. Now it is mainly used as an escort and light combat transport to counter the Klingon Nethak. Not as fast as most new Romulan starships, nor is it as powerful as Romulan capital ships, but a deadly ship nonetheless. This vessel is considered the best balanced ship in the fleet. She sits at 853 meters, a full one-third smaller and much flatter than it's DDeridex cousin.

The warp engines were the main refit for this ship. The warp pods were completely removed in favor of the spear type coaxial drive venting system used by most modern Romulan ships. This greatly increases speed and efficiency, as well as protection for the vents. The vents themselves remain inboard, lowering output but presenting much more protection for the vent faces compared to outboard designs.

The ship carries a strong armament heavy on armor and shielding. The weaponry consists of two forward heavy plasma disruptor batteries, 6 forward medium rapid fire disruptor batteries, 4 dorsal/ventral light disruptors, and two light rear distruptors, as well as one multifire torp/cannon discharge disruptor in the nose.

The original rear spline was removed to open the superstructure to the implementation of a storage bay, same as the DDeridex. Like the larger ship, it also received additional armor plating in the bridge area. Crew compliment has been reduced by 50 percent over the original, at 50 personell, and the ship can carry up to 800 troops.

Here are the pics.

KBF MalaK · « **Reply #28 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:07:29 pm »

why have the lower wing at all ? It's so thin and with those blocky 'doglegs' on the end it just looks weird. The top wing looks substantial enough to support the engine nacelles.

Raven Night · « **Reply #29 on:** July 03, 2006, 03:08:09 pm »

Well, it is supposed to have a cue to the valdore, as well as the DDeridex. The Valdore has a very thin wing on the bottom, the Dvoridex a "skid plate" so to speak.

Darkseid · « **Reply #30 on:** July 08, 2006, 10:31:37 pm »

You guys can make some really beautiful Romulan ships!

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #31 on:** July 11, 2006, 11:05:06 pm »

Well I'm back from Japan Raven so anytime you're done with 'em lemme know

Raven Night · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2006, 07:25:06 am »

Ok, welcome back.

I decided to knock out some of the Cardassian reworks, since my modeling has improved...Im just doing the skinnys right now, Ill start on the textures when I finish the meshes.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #33 on:** August 07, 2006, 12:30:42 pm »

Fedman NCC-3758 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 02, 2009, 09:00:20 pm »

Has this model been released?

Starforce2 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 03, 2009, 10:58:28 pm »

holy thread ressurection batman!

I thought this was the dvoridex evolution thread, and that ship is on BCfiles, atleast, I think that was the result of what was started here..I could be wrong....but the size is right.

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