Topic: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here

[IndyShark]

I took my daughter to see this movie tonight and we both HATED it. What a disappointment after XMen  and XMen II.

I won't give away any spoilers, but this move had a bad script, didn't follow the comic book at all and some other things that would be a spoiler if I mentioned them.

Save your money and don't see this movie. If you have to, rent it, but it's not worth that either.

I hope Pirates is better than this.

[Jack Morris]

Halle Berry was happy with the script, before they changed it she had threatened to quit during filming if they did not give her character a bigger role. What class. NOT!

[Tus-XC]

I took my daughter to see this movie tonight and we both HATED it. What a disappointment after XMen  and XMen II.

I won't give away any spoilers, but this move had a bad script, didn't follow the comic book at all and some other things that would be a spoiler if I mentioned them.

Save your money and don't see this movie. If you have to, rent it, but it's not worth that either.

I hope Pirates is better than this.

I actually thought it was fairly good, but then again 1) i have never read the comics (watched the show) and 2) i didn't expect it to follow what i knew for an arc (ie the show). 

[spoiler] I left before the end of the credits, but a friend later told me that xaivier was show alive at the end of the credits, someone care to confirm that? [/spoiler]

[Dash Jones]

I am a reader of the comics and I didn't like the movie at all.  The acting was good, the sets were nice, but the story stunk.  It's like they got some glimmer of the X-men story and then flushed it all down the toilet.  It wasn't till after I left that I heard that there was a little part after the credits (I left as soon as they began I was so disappointed), but didn't see it myself since I left.

[TheJudge]

Went to see it last night...I've never been more than a 'casual' reader of X-men.  Didn't really follow all the storylines in the comics, just read one here and there for pure enjoyment factor.  Of the three of us that went to see it, all three of us enjoyed it and liked it overall.

Seems most of the people who don't like it have been avid followers of the comics...oh well.  That's to be expected.  Fan boys just hate it when movies change what they are expecting...  From the response in the theater, it seems almost everyone there enjoyed it as well (lots of cheering throughout, and even people screaming out things at the screen...much like the first time I saw Return of the Jedi where the guy yelled out "Save him Vader!"  when the Emperor was pounding look with lightning.) 

Of course...all the boy eye candy in the show was quite nice as well, and of course enjoyed the allegory of the 'cure' plot line...as for the ending, we were warned to stay, not told what the special scene at the end was about...and when we saw it...well it was well worth waiting for the end of the credits....

[IndyShark]

Dash, I agree with you 110% I didn't see the last part either.

[J. Carney]

Not going to see it.

The first movie depressed me, being as it virtually ignored the comics and the old X-men cartoons completely.

Reasons I hated it:
1.) ROUGE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN 12!!!
2.) No Gambit... he was always my favorite X-man.
3.) Ice Man WAS NOT in highschool- he was already out bashing skulls with Spiderman and Firestar by this time.
4.) Only Wolverine's age was something aproaching right; the rest of his backstory was completely blown- he had NOTHING to do with Rouge prior to being in the X-men, and not too much to do with her afterwards.

The second one was too repulsive to try to make a list for. It had cheesy acting, Wolverine wasn't obsessively in love with Jean Grey, and he and Cyclops didn't get into it with each other nearly enough.


I'm not even wasting money on the thrird one.

The only way I'll watch it is if I'm being forcably deployed back to active duty oversees, and it's the in-flight movie.

Nah, on second thought... I'll probably just sleep.

[IndyShark]

Great Spout!

[Jack Morris]

The only way I'll watch it is if I'm being forcably deployed back to active duty oversees, and it's the in-flight movie.

Nah, on second thought... I'll probably just sleep.

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Admit it, you will watch it, heheheheheehehehe.

[J. Carney]

The only way I'll watch it is if I'm being forcably deployed back to active duty oversees, and it's the in-flight movie.

Nah, on second thought... I'll probably just sleep.

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Admit it, you will watch it, heheheheheehehehe.

If and ONLY IF every attractive female in the entire movie is naked the entire ttime.

[TheJudge]

Brian Singer directed the movie...it's filled with hot, very hot guys. 

Even Bobby was smoking...

[Commander La'ra]

2.) No Gambit... he was always my favorite X-man.

Yeah, but they introduced him when I was in high school.  As far as 'old school' mutants go, he's only recently been around long enough to be considered one of them.

3.) Ice Man WAS NOT in highschool- he was already out bashing skulls with Spiderman and Firestar by this time.

Iceman was an original X-Man.  Originally the entire team was in their teens.

4.) Only Wolverine's age was something aproaching right; the rest of his backstory was completely blown- he had NOTHING to do with Rouge prior to being in the X-men, and not too much to do with her afterwards.

The Rogue storyline from the first was completely non-canon, but saying Wolverine had little to do with her in the comics is erroneous.  They've been portrayed as being pretty close, probably on account of what happened during Rogue's entry onto the team.

[J. Carney]

2.) No Gambit... he was always my favorite X-man.

Yeah, but they introduced him when I was in high school.  As far as 'old school' mutants go, he's only recently been around long enough to be considered one of them.

Well, I picked it up on the cartoon series, and he was an established, mid-20's fixture by then. SO it seems off-kilter to me to have everyone 'grown up' but not have him and to have Rough far too young.

3.) Ice Man WAS NOT in highschool- he was already out bashing skulls with Spiderman and Firestar by this time.

Iceman was an original X-Man.  Originally the entire team was in their teens.

Again, the age CONSISTANCY is the issue- Ice would have been a grown man by then, not a kid barely out of middle school.

4.) Only Wolverine's age was something aproaching right; the rest of his backstory was completely blown- he had NOTHING to do with Rouge prior to being in the X-men, and not too much to do with her afterwards.

The Rogue storyline from the first was completely non-canon, but saying Wolverine had little to do with her in the comics is erroneous.  They've been portrayed as being pretty close, probably on account of what happened during Rogue's entry onto the team.

Yeah, but that happened WHILE HEWAS ALREADY THERE. Rouge came later to the team, and then she and Wolvie got to be friendly... but they never made a roadtrip accross backwoods Canada togeather. In the cartoon, they seemed to be friendly to each other- but no more so than she was to Cyclops or Nightcrawler.

[Commander La'ra]

Well, I picked it up on the cartoon series, and he was an established, mid-20's fixture by then. SO it seems off-kilter to me to have everyone 'grown up' but not have him and to have Rough far too young.

Wow, man, you are a latecomer!

Yeah, but that happened WHILE HEWAS ALREADY THERE. Rouge came later to the team, and then she and Wolvie got to be friendly... but they never made a roadtrip accross backwoods Canada togeather. In the cartoon, they seemed to be friendly to each other- but no more so than she was to Cyclops or Nightcrawler.

The cartoon was awesome, but as far as X-Men goes, it's only one tiny bit of the whole iceberg, and the movie makers had to decide what to do with a HUGE cast of characters, multiple deaths and rebirths, different writers (and even artists...Rogue looks different with every artist who draws our favorite superpowered Southern Belle) takes on characters and events, etc etc etc.

Eventually the Marvel canon got so monolithic that did modern 'reboots' that didn't follow the old storylines just to get some comics out there that didn't require you to be familiar with nearly fifty years of backstory.

So...there's no way any movie is ever gonna satisfy anyone who's being picky about canon.  Speaking as an X-Men fan from way back, I have to say they were true to the characters in X1 and X2...much more so than I expected.  They nailed the overall 'feeling' of things, and that's of utmost importance when doing movies about characters that have been around longer than the actors portraying them.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

I just saw X-men III a few days ago. I was definety satisified with it, and the special effects were great. In a way the movies have developed their own story line, which is good. I can understand why people who have read the x-men comics might disagree with the movie not following the story line, but no movie has ever followed the book/comics storyline entirely, and sometimes it is good to go into the movie not knowing what will happen at the end.

[Commander La'ra]

Oh, Carney, if you're a Firefly fan you should definitely check out the first 12 issues or so of Astonishing X-Men.  Joss Whedon's been writing it...it's pretty damned awesome.

[Lepton]

I'll throw my opinion in here.  It did not suck but it was not good either.  I am disappointed to hear that the film did not adhere to the comic book nor did the other films.  That's sad.  Would have been nice to feel I was seeing something that had appeared in print.  Back to the film.  Special effects, amateurish for the price of this movie.  How can Spiderman get it so right and X-Men so wrong?  Nothing feels right in this franchise.  The movement is all wrong, the speed is all wrong.  Halle Balle flying on wires like Peter Pan. Boring and poorly executed.  When you have seen flying done on a wire like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon,  or the elegant yet flailing frenzy of Raimi's Spiderman, Storm flying stiff as a bored in a clear wire and harness just does not cut it.  The scale is all wrong in the X-Men films.  Spiderman, sweeping and grandiose, yet personal.  Batman Begins, again grandiose yet personal, dark, atmospheric, a bit hokie at the end but nothing is perfect.  I feel no connection to these characters in X-Men. The back story is flimsy and we certainly are left with almost no time to reconnect with the characters in X-Men III before bad things start happening.  Hell, Hulk was better than this.

I think it must be difficult to do this kind of ensemble cast movie and feel close enough to the characters to give a damn.  All the other movies I sited are centered on individuals and there is plenty of time in those cases to explore the backstory.  Basically, the movie feels cheap and claustrophobic to me.  They have yet to get it right with X-Men.

[J. Carney]

I think the backstory (what I have read was NOT complementary of the plotline) was a thinly-veiled attempt to gain a target audience in a way that the lack of good writing, lack of canon continuity, and lack of good FX could never have carried.

Knowing they could sell the 'discrimination' and 'curing' angles to a few specific demographics made it worth trying to make the movie fly.

[Commander La'ra]

The 'cure' plotline was lifted from the first five issues of the previously mentioned Astonishing X-Men.  I haven't seen the movie's treatment of it, though, and I'm willing to bet it falls below the comic in terms of execution.  I'm actually more interested in seeing how Jean getting all Dark Phoenix on everyone is pulled off.

Hey Carney:  Discrimination and other such has always been a core X-Men theme.  It did start in the 60's after all.

[Sirgod]

I pretty much agree with Lepton here. Except to add, that was some of the worst Dialogue I've ever heard. Keeping with the Spoiler free thingie, It's too much like some asking "Whens your Birthday", and the person  Responding with " I love Eggs."

And Have you ever seen such a group of Whiny Teens?

Stephen