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Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« on: May 28, 2006, 09:30:42 pm »
I took my daughter to see this movie tonight and we both HATED it. What a disappointment after XMen  and XMen II.

I won't give away any spoilers, but this move had a bad script, didn't follow the comic book at all and some other things that would be a spoiler if I mentioned them.

Save your money and don't see this movie. If you have to, rent it, but it's not worth that either.

I hope Pirates is better than this.

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Re: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2006, 09:48:21 pm »
Halle Berry was happy with the script, before they changed it she had threatened to quit during filming if they did not give her character a bigger role. What class. NOT!

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Re: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2006, 10:09:17 pm »
I took my daughter to see this movie tonight and we both HATED it. What a disappointment after XMen  and XMen II.

I won't give away any spoilers, but this move had a bad script, didn't follow the comic book at all and some other things that would be a spoiler if I mentioned them.

Save your money and don't see this movie. If you have to, rent it, but it's not worth that either.

I hope Pirates is better than this.

I actually thought it was fairly good, but then again 1) i have never read the comics (watched the show) and 2) i didn't expect it to follow what i knew for an arc (ie the show). 

[spoiler] I left before the end of the credits, but a friend later told me that xaivier was show alive at the end of the credits, someone care to confirm that? [/spoiler]
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2006, 11:05:26 pm »
I am a reader of the comics and I didn't like the movie at all.  The acting was good, the sets were nice, but the story stunk.  It's like they got some glimmer of the X-men story and then flushed it all down the toilet.  It wasn't till after I left that I heard that there was a little part after the credits (I left as soon as they began I was so disappointed), but didn't see it myself since I left.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2006, 11:51:42 pm »
Went to see it last night...I've never been more than a 'casual' reader of X-men.  Didn't really follow all the storylines in the comics, just read one here and there for pure enjoyment factor.  Of the three of us that went to see it, all three of us enjoyed it and liked it overall.

Seems most of the people who don't like it have been avid followers of the comics...oh well.  That's to be expected.  Fan boys just hate it when movies change what they are expecting...  From the response in the theater, it seems almost everyone there enjoyed it as well (lots of cheering throughout, and even people screaming out things at the screen...much like the first time I saw Return of the Jedi where the guy yelled out "Save him Vader!"  when the Emperor was pounding look with lightning.) 

Of course...all the boy eye candy in the show was quite nice as well, and of course enjoyed the allegory of the 'cure' plot line...as for the ending, we were warned to stay, not told what the special scene at the end was about...and when we saw it...well it was well worth waiting for the end of the credits....
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Re: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2006, 08:50:18 am »
Dash, I agree with you 110% I didn't see the last part either.

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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2006, 08:59:33 am »
Not going to see it.

The first movie depressed me, being as it virtually ignored the comics and the old X-men cartoons completely.

Reasons I hated it:
1.) ROUGE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN 12!!!
2.) No Gambit... he was always my favorite X-man.
3.) Ice Man WAS NOT in highschool- he was already out bashing skulls with Spiderman and Firestar by this time.
4.) Only Wolverine's age was something aproaching right; the rest of his backstory was completely blown- he had NOTHING to do with Rouge prior to being in the X-men, and not too much to do with her afterwards.

The second one was too repulsive to try to make a list for. It had cheesy acting, Wolverine wasn't obsessively in love with Jean Grey, and he and Cyclops didn't get into it with each other nearly enough.


I'm not even wasting money on the thrird one.

The only way I'll watch it is if I'm being forcably deployed back to active duty oversees, and it's the in-flight movie.

Nah, on second thought... I'll probably just sleep.
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Re: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2006, 09:20:10 am »
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2006, 10:40:39 am »
The only way I'll watch it is if I'm being forcably deployed back to active duty oversees, and it's the in-flight movie.

Nah, on second thought... I'll probably just sleep.

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2006, 12:56:39 pm »
The only way I'll watch it is if I'm being forcably deployed back to active duty oversees, and it's the in-flight movie.

Nah, on second thought... I'll probably just sleep.

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2006, 10:36:01 pm »
Brian Singer directed the movie...it's filled with hot, very hot guys. 

Even Bobby was smoking...:)
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2006, 10:46:11 pm »
2.) No Gambit... he was always my favorite X-man.

Yeah, but they introduced him when I was in high school.  As far as 'old school' mutants go, he's only recently been around long enough to be considered one of them.

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3.) Ice Man WAS NOT in highschool- he was already out bashing skulls with Spiderman and Firestar by this time.

Iceman was an original X-Man.  Originally the entire team was in their teens.

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4.) Only Wolverine's age was something aproaching right; the rest of his backstory was completely blown- he had NOTHING to do with Rouge prior to being in the X-men, and not too much to do with her afterwards.

The Rogue storyline from the first was completely non-canon, but saying Wolverine had little to do with her in the comics is erroneous.  They've been portrayed as being pretty close, probably on account of what happened during Rogue's entry onto the team.
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2006, 01:36:21 am »
2.) No Gambit... he was always my favorite X-man.

Yeah, but they introduced him when I was in high school.  As far as 'old school' mutants go, he's only recently been around long enough to be considered one of them.

Well, I picked it up on the cartoon series, and he was an established, mid-20's fixture by then. SO it seems off-kilter to me to have everyone 'grown up' but not have him and to have Rough far too young.

3.) Ice Man WAS NOT in highschool- he was already out bashing skulls with Spiderman and Firestar by this time.

Iceman was an original X-Man.  Originally the entire team was in their teens.

Again, the age CONSISTANCY is the issue- Ice would have been a grown man by then, not a kid barely out of middle school.

4.) Only Wolverine's age was something aproaching right; the rest of his backstory was completely blown- he had NOTHING to do with Rouge prior to being in the X-men, and not too much to do with her afterwards.

The Rogue storyline from the first was completely non-canon, but saying Wolverine had little to do with her in the comics is erroneous.  They've been portrayed as being pretty close, probably on account of what happened during Rogue's entry onto the team.

Yeah, but that happened WHILE HEWAS ALREADY THERE. ;) Rouge came later to the team, and then she and Wolvie got to be friendly... but they never made a roadtrip accross backwoods Canada togeather. ;D In the cartoon, they seemed to be friendly to each other- but no more so than she was to Cyclops or Nightcrawler.
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2006, 08:42:42 am »
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Well, I picked it up on the cartoon series, and he was an established, mid-20's fixture by then. SO it seems off-kilter to me to have everyone 'grown up' but not have him and to have Rough far too young.

Wow, man, you are a latecomer! ;D

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Yeah, but that happened WHILE HEWAS ALREADY THERE. ;) Rouge came later to the team, and then she and Wolvie got to be friendly... but they never made a roadtrip accross backwoods Canada togeather. ;D In the cartoon, they seemed to be friendly to each other- but no more so than she was to Cyclops or Nightcrawler.

The cartoon was awesome, but as far as X-Men goes, it's only one tiny bit of the whole iceberg, and the movie makers had to decide what to do with a HUGE cast of characters, multiple deaths and rebirths, different writers (and even artists...Rogue looks different with every artist who draws our favorite superpowered Southern Belle) takes on characters and events, etc etc etc.

Eventually the Marvel canon got so monolithic that did modern 'reboots' that didn't follow the old storylines just to get some comics out there that didn't require you to be familiar with nearly fifty years of backstory.

So...there's no way any movie is ever gonna satisfy anyone who's being picky about canon.  Speaking as an X-Men fan from way back, I have to say they were true to the characters in X1 and X2...much more so than I expected.  They nailed the overall 'feeling' of things, and that's of utmost importance when doing movies about characters that have been around longer than the actors portraying them.
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Re: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2006, 08:47:15 am »
I just saw X-men III a few days ago. I was definety satisified with it, and the special effects were great. In a way the movies have developed their own story line, which is good. I can understand why people who have read the x-men comics might disagree with the movie not following the story line, but no movie has ever followed the book/comics storyline entirely, and sometimes it is good to go into the movie not knowing what will happen at the end.
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2006, 08:55:38 am »
Oh, Carney, if you're a Firefly fan you should definitely check out the first 12 issues or so of Astonishing X-Men.  Joss Whedon's been writing it...it's pretty damned awesome.
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2006, 09:41:17 pm »
I'll throw my opinion in here.  It did not suck but it was not good either.  I am disappointed to hear that the film did not adhere to the comic book nor did the other films.  That's sad.  Would have been nice to feel I was seeing something that had appeared in print.  Back to the film.  Special effects, amateurish for the price of this movie.  How can Spiderman get it so right and X-Men so wrong?  Nothing feels right in this franchise.  The movement is all wrong, the speed is all wrong.  Halle Balle flying on wires like Peter Pan. Boring and poorly executed.  When you have seen flying done on a wire like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon,  or the elegant yet flailing frenzy of Raimi's Spiderman, Storm flying stiff as a bored in a clear wire and harness just does not cut it.  The scale is all wrong in the X-Men films.  Spiderman, sweeping and grandiose, yet personal.  Batman Begins, again grandiose yet personal, dark, atmospheric, a bit hokie at the end but nothing is perfect.  I feel no connection to these characters in X-Men. The back story is flimsy and we certainly are left with almost no time to reconnect with the characters in X-Men III before bad things start happening.  Hell, Hulk was better than this.

I think it must be difficult to do this kind of ensemble cast movie and feel close enough to the characters to give a damn.  All the other movies I sited are centered on individuals and there is plenty of time in those cases to explore the backstory.  Basically, the movie feels cheap and claustrophobic to me.  They have yet to get it right with X-Men.


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Re: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2006, 09:45:04 pm »
I think the backstory (what I have read was NOT complementary of the plotline) was a thinly-veiled attempt to gain a target audience in a way that the lack of good writing, lack of canon continuity, and lack of good FX could never have carried.

Knowing they could sell the 'discrimination' and 'curing' angles to a few specific demographics made it worth trying to make the movie fly.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2006, 10:07:29 pm »
The 'cure' plotline was lifted from the first five issues of the previously mentioned Astonishing X-Men.  I haven't seen the movie's treatment of it, though, and I'm willing to bet it falls below the comic in terms of execution.  I'm actually more interested in seeing how Jean getting all Dark Phoenix on everyone is pulled off.

Hey Carney:  Discrimination and other such has always been a core X-Men theme.  It did start in the 60's after all.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2006, 03:53:52 pm »
I pretty much agree with Lepton here. Except to add, that was some of the worst Dialogue I've ever heard. Keeping with the Spoiler free thingie, It's too much like some asking "Whens your Birthday", and the person  Responding with " I love Eggs."

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2006, 05:08:34 pm »
...  Would have been nice to feel I was seeing something that had appeared in print.  Back to the film.  Special effects, amateurish for the price of this movie.  How can Spiderman get it so right and X-Men so wrong? ...

As a fan of Spiderman growing up I thought the movies were awesome as another medium to bring my favorite character to life.
I would not have enjoyed them as much If I held on to my purest feeling and memories of all the comics I read as a kid or kept saying to myself that's not the way it was in the comic books this sucks.

Umm what happened to the Web shoots, Mary Jane and Harry in high school with Peter? The Goblin with Mary Jane on the bridge come on what happened to Gwen Stacey? Oh yes, I remember Peter failed to save her and it weight on him like a brick outhouse, a major event in his life from the comics to over come, but how is that going sell in a Hollywood where the hero fails to save the girl. Spiderman works because it takes some of the best story lines and modifies them to fit for todays viewers. It holds up for the die hard comic fans as well only if you they are willing to let the newer version (big screen) have a little  artistic licence with the material. Even in first X-men movie  I though how they explained away the Yellow tights Wolverine wore in the comics was great.

I took my two young boys to see X3 and they both loved it. That is their X-men, they both run around the house now with three drinking straws taped to their hands pretending to be Wolverine. I am fairly sure the new Superman will become their Superman while I will continue to cherish my memories of Christoper Reeves as the true Superman;.as my father would probably recall Superman to be Kirk Alyn.

I think it would be far more disappointing if these characters got forgotten in plastic protectors trapped in basements and attics as opposed to coming to life on the big screen to spark the imagination and interest of new fans like my sons. They will have the joy of discovering the differences for themselves as these movies have raised their interest enough to start reading more about them and that in itself is awesome.

I liked the movie. Beast was always my favorite X-man and seeing Kelsey Grammar's version come to life was great.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2006, 06:26:01 pm »
I too truley enjoyed the movie, despite what others have labeled on other boards as Xman Heresy!!!!

I perceive the Movie Franchise as existing in a separate universe from comic/novel content.
If you just enjoy it for what it is.

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2006, 10:11:54 pm »
The 'cure' plotline was lifted from the first five issues of the previously mentioned Astonishing X-Men.  I haven't seen the movie's treatment of it, though, and I'm willing to bet it falls below the comic in terms of execution.  I'm actually more interested in seeing how Jean getting all Dark Phoenix on everyone is pulled off.

Hey Carney:  Discrimination and other such has always been a core X-Men theme.  It did start in the 60's after all.

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That's what I thought too...but then they have Jamie (I think that's the actual NEW guy that mystique has brought in for Rogue...I'll have to reread) recently.  They got the cure idea from the Astonishing X-men (I thought I liked the comic...now after the movie I'm not so sure), but then it was only the idea...the implementation was a horrid twisting of that story, as was their Jean/Phoenix story, and everything else in that movie overall.

I personally like the Rogue/Gambit thing...but didn't have a problem with her and Iceman in the movies nor how they portrayed the relationship between them.  As long as they kept in character with the characters of the comics...but to me, X3 completely lost that edge.  Jean evaporating Scott right after kissing him???  Kitty ignoring Collosus in favor of Iceman??? 

They got the Wolverine part I think from recent events (well in the past two years) where Wolverine ends up killing Jean...but for very different reasons...though he kills her with his claws.

And since they killed off Scott they don't need to explain the comic book after that where the world goes to hell and Beast becomes a meglamaniac (which of course in Xmen style is repaired and the timeline reset shortly after Jean's death instead of the dark future which it became).

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Re: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2006, 09:13:06 am »
<snikers> Spoilers Dash, Spoilers. No Spoiler thread bro.  ;D

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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2006, 01:06:46 am »
Well, I saw it and was disappointed.  I think part of it was that it wasn't directed by Singer.  I think Singer did a decent job with an ensemble (although the Spidey movies were better than the X-men movies in my opinion), and X3 seemed like the writing was done over a weekend by a couple of hacks or something.  I found myself rolling my eyes over and over again at some of the dialogue. 

I realize that changes do need to be made at times.  Take X-men 1 where Wolvie and Rogue have the thing.  I felt it was an adaptation of the relationship between Wolvie and Shadowcat or Wolvie and Jubilee (he's got a soft spot for little girls), but since Kitty and Jubilee weren't as popular as character as Rogue, out went Older, comicbook rogue, and in come young movie rogue who seems very crossed with Kitty/Jube elements.  I can handle that I guess.  Sure, it puts a  dimmer on some things, but I guess a Rogue/Gambit relationship could still have happened as age isn't that big a factor in movie relationships, right?  Changes need to be made to fit the most popular elements/storylines in.  Heck, when they made X1 were they sure that they were going to have an X2?  Not really, so it was kind of a one whot at that point, so they were really throwing it all out there I think.  Changes can be good.  Heck, I didn't mind in Spidey when he grows the web organically instead of creating a launcher and web fluid.

Positives about the movie.  I actually liked Kelsey Grammer as the Beast.  I'm also a Vinnie Jones fan, man I hope that was digital augmentation and he's not juicin'.  I really do.

I think one of the big pitfalls that comic movies fall into, especially ones with large casts is just that. They try and cram too many characters into it.  They think they have to be bigger than the last, so the only way to do that is add more heroes and more villains, and you end up with too many to for any meaningful attachments to and then everything just goes to pot.  Heck, I think the movie was subpar to average for just being a duke em up type movie even.  Still, I did find a few moments of enjoyment (none of which included Halle Berry.  Acadamy Award my big white backside.  She was barely a B actress before, and she's barely a B actress after, and although I didn't see Monster's Ball, I find it highly unlikely she figured out a way to act for one film and then went back to her old habits).

Overall, I was disappointed though, and would have loved to see what the film would have been had Bryan Singer not been chased off the franchise into the arms of Superman (I don't know about the look of the new Supes.  At first I was cool with it, but with time he's kind of wearing on me and looking weaker.  Maybe it's all the marketing I've seen him on, I'd almost rather have mr. Smallville at this point, who I liked actually).  Like I said, although I think Raimi did better with Spidey on giving everyone a meaningful arc, and emotions, I thought Singer did a decent job with the first two movies.  Maybe if they make an X4, they'll stay away from the "cure mutant" storylines that have been the basis of the first three.  If they aren't going to get into some emotions and just have a bang-em up movie, why not go for something different and save some of those storylines for when you are ready to get into some real acting and plot?  Anyway, I think it's a renter, or if you like to see effects movies in the theater, it's a dollar theatre film, imo.  I certainly wouldn't waist 8 bucks on it again.  I didn't see after the credits either, by the way, as everyone in my group got up to leave the very second the credits started to roll.

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Re: Let me warn you, XMEN III Sucks - no spoilers here
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2006, 01:47:57 am »
I think Kelsey Grammar as Beast was a wonderful choice...it took me two scenes to realize where I knew that voice...


Angel is still my fav though...
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