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ECON WAR IS ...... PROCESSING??!!! (obsolete thread)
« on: May 07, 2006, 05:59:07 pm »
WE ARE LIVE!

Economic War is now live.   Please let me know any problems you have with getting connected, or with the server in general.

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2006, 06:15:40 pm »
missions are closing left, right and center on us, just a few seconds in. We installed over OP 4.0.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2006, 06:17:14 pm »
Won 2 missions, no shift on map, and all map sectors so far are 50 missions to flip

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2006, 06:30:49 pm »
Won 2 missions, no shift on map, and all map sectors so far are 50 missions to flip

Do not fear abut the DV50.   The DV's should shift by 5 per mission.  That's only ten missions to swap.

First off, the obvious things you've probably already done.   Switch to cartel layer.  If you are accidentally running missions on your own territory then it will feel as if the DV is not shifting.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2006, 06:33:03 pm »
missions are closing left, right and center on us, just a few seconds in. We installed over OP 4.0.

Oh dear.....

It should not matter what you install over.  So long as all the original models are still there, you should be good.   (I don't htink that OP 4.0 erases any of the original models.  At least I hope not.)

Go into the folder called EconModels in your main game folder and see if you have a model inside all the content folders.

I'm having a bit of trouble with my gaming machine, but maybe I'll log on with my server machine (briefly) to see if I can tell what is going on.

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2006, 06:37:59 pm »
Duck and I just got in clean, completed asteroid base assault, had to warp out to get "mission complete" and then were handed a devestating defeat.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2006, 06:40:39 pm »
all folders have a model
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2006, 06:55:26 pm »
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All right, I found at least one mistake.   It will fix some things, but I don't see why some of the other things people are reporting would be happening.

Nevertheless, give me a few minutes.   Let's see if I can get this thing working the way it was just a few hours ago.  Otherwise I'm going to be quite stressed.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2006, 06:59:30 pm »
Fear not oh mighty Lord of Pirates! We are here til it works or is broke completely!


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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2006, 07:01:13 pm »
Duck and I just got in clean, completed asteroid base assault, had to warp out to get "mission complete" and then were handed a devestating defeat.

I did same mission, got my victory but also had to leave map to get it to close

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2006, 07:02:15 pm »
Won 2 missions, no shift on map, and all map sectors so far are 50 missions to flip

Do not fear abut the DV50.   The DV's should shift by 5 per mission.  That's only ten missions to swap.

First off, the obvious things you've probably already done.   Switch to cartel layer.  If you are accidentally running missions on your own territory then it will feel as if the DV is not shifting.

I ran all my missions in neutral hexes, 6 of them.  no shift in any of them, won them all

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2006, 07:24:26 pm »
Obviously, some issues.   Not sure where they are coming from.  I'm working the DV shift issue.  I'll try to get this thing back up as soon as possible.

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2006, 08:20:00 pm »
PM me a link to a zip of the mct file and gfs if you'd like me to go over them. I have always admired your Dynaverse server magic hand, but it is easy to miss stuff sometimes. I just got the download done now, I'll take a peek at the shiplist.

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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2006, 08:38:41 pm »
We going to go for a 24 hour hold on the start, or is it going to be possible to get this in the air tonight?


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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2006, 09:00:24 pm »
We going to go for a 24 hour hold on the start, or is it going to be possible to get this in the air tonight?


Well, it's the damdest thing.  I log on, and I have all the mission failures that everyone else was having.   Then I log off and on again, and I get good missions, but the DV doesn't shift.    Now I log off and on again, and I get lots of missions and the DV changes properly (for OrionOrion) in nuetrual/neutral,  and neutral/friendly space.  Just as always, I even got the DV shift in neutral/neutral even when I ran from an ambush mision.     :o  I didn't get to try neutral/enemy space, as my IP hiccuped.

I did make some minor (and I mean minor) tweaks with cartels vs. Orions, but other than that all I did was reboot my entire LAN.


Not sure about the restart.    I want to make damn sure this thing is working as it should before I start it up again.   That was quite embaressing to have it go down again so soon, and I'm sure it was very frustrating for all of you too.   It can't be very much fun to reserve your Sunday night and then have the stupid admin not be able to get his game running.

I want to run through all the cartels in all the variations of cartel/empire space and make sure they all shift the DV by 5 like they should.  That might take a while.  I did that a while ago, but obviously something was messing with it toniht.  I also want to check for any possible model errors, and probably I'll clean up some R'd out crap experimental ships that really should have already been taken out of the list.

To make it easiest on all of you, I think it is best to have a 24 hour delay.   That way you aren't hanging around wasting any more time than I've alreayd made you waste

Again, my apologies.  This certainly isn't the way I dreamed of starting and I am very sorry.

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Re: ****ECON WAR IS ...... PROCESSING??!!! NEWS UPDATE*******
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2006, 09:21:21 pm »
No worries

I think it was DH who once told me to always start a server on Friday night so it would actually be ready to go by Sunday night.
Dunno if we've ever had a perfect launch.
I think everyone's looking forward to this enough that we'll all wait a few more days if needed.

(And I'm not just saying that so you give me the answer to the treasure map... honest)
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2006, 09:26:55 pm »
Definitely worth the wait, been looking forward to it for ages, a delay is no biggie to me.

Looking at the shiplist, the Romulans are split into two locations, this could be a problem. It checks out OK with Dave's shiplist checker.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2006, 09:40:35 pm »
Definitely worth the wait, been looking forward to it for ages, a delay is no biggie to me.

Looking at the shiplist, the Romulans are split into two locations, this could be a problem. It checks out OK with Dave's shiplist checker.

(Read on down.  You may have led me to stumble into something here.)

Yeah, I started doing that with the TigerHeart instead, like I've always done in OP when I needed donors.  That seemed to work fine, because it was forever before I tried to test fly the TigerHeart on the D2 instead of in skirmish.  That was when I had my panic because I couldn't create any TigerHeart characters.

However, I figured since no one was playing Romulan this time, I'd use them instead and see what happened.  Seems to work.  At least I can create characters from all cartels now.

I also used to have a blank space between each cartel and each empire, so I could easily jump from faction to faction in Excel.   Took me a while before I realized that the game coudn't see the first ship after a blank line.   So now there are no blank lines.

I don't know if the blank lines had something to do with my inability to create TigerHeart characters or not.


Hmmm..... maybe I should see if it is only near Romulan space that I begin getting missions that won't load.   Maybe the game can't create any Romulan characters, as I used to be unable to create TigerHeart characters?  That bears investigating


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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2006, 09:46:37 pm »
If it is only Romulan donors at the top and the other portion is a complete Romulan list, you can just remove the donors serverside (Spec folder only) and it will correct the issue without a shiplist update. I always just put the whole donor race at the top in one block to avoid this.

This was first revealed on RDSL and is standard DieHard procedure for his shiplist structure strategy, removing the donors from the serverside list that is.

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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2006, 09:50:29 pm »
If it is only Romulan donors at the top and the other portion is a complete Romulan list, you can just remove the donors serverside (Spec folder only) and it will correct the issue without a shiplist update. I always just put the whole donor race at the top in one block to avoid this.

This was first revealed on RDSL and is standard DieHard procedure for his shiplist structure strategy, removing the donors from the serversie list that is.

Really?   You can remove the donors from the serverside list?  I didn't know that.

That would also remove the "Failure to Validate" errors you get from the server when you have a split list.   They never seemed to cause any problems in my past servers, but their presence always bugged me.  Errors can't ever be good things, no matter how innocuous.

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