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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2006, 08:05:43 pm »
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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2006, 09:56:34 pm »
Likker's a  fellow Perve. He get's a pass on the stephen scale.

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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2006, 12:06:03 pm »

I agree with this 100%.  Likker was a decent guy, and a Good member here, He also had alot of Problems. Not the typical substance abuse thing, but some Mental problems. If and when he ever decides to contact us again, I woulld still help him out.

as for the situation Re: Firewalls, I really can't offer much as I'm the only sat User here. I wish to all hell, that I could Play with you guys, but a solid Con is beyond my means.

Once or twice a year, I manage to get ahold of a few People, and Play on my home LAN.

That reminds me, July 29th - 31st will be the next get together. Bring your PC to my ranch, and of course I'll provide the beef.

Now , Here's where It get's tricky. June 3rd. I'm doing a mans retreat, a way to get away from it all, Camping Fishing, and rune stones here at a park in Oklahoma. I know Dizzy will be here, as he want's to be shot with my paintball gun, don't ask me why, I guess he's a sadist.

But the thing is, My Nephew Brett, and my Grandson Julius, have never been Camping. I feel It's this old mans duty to provide that experience. Of course, I consider Frey, StormBringer, sethan, and Reluctantly  ;D ;D ;D Dizzy Family. I mean Dizzy does live in southern OK after all.  :P

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Hmmm, see I am allowed back... been awhile since a ban, feels good.
Errr, umm, thanks for calling attention to my "mental" issues Stephan... I dunno, maybe being regarded as a drunk is better?
Anyhoo, will apologize to Dizzy, said some nasty things that were uncalled for. It wasn't the message (I turn off everything, including going through my processes tab when playing online games) but the way it was delivered... and the subsiqent fight with Lepton.
An explination, doesn't really belong here but what the hell.
Been out of work for 4 months with no unemployment benifits, stress building up, etc, etc... blew up a bit here, whole bunch more other places.
Heh, unemployed in a province with near 0 unemployment, quite a feat.
Anyhow, got two crappy low paying jobs now, 80+ hour work weeks so I won't be around to play anything anyway. Somehow through a fluke of scheduling got today off.
Time for some cheap beer I think.
Take care all.


Man I apoligize for that. I thought It was well known, But If It wasn't, I would have never said anything to Jeapordise our friendship. Your a good guy man, and once again, I apoligise, as It was a poor joke on my part.

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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2006, 03:13:08 pm »
May I suggest that you have the admins edit the references out so future readers don't see it.
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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #84 on: May 04, 2006, 03:43:49 pm »

Man I apoligize for that. I thought It was well known, But If It wasn't, I would have never said anything to Jeapordise our friendship. Your a good guy man, and once again, I apoligise, as It was a poor joke on my part.

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LOL, no problem Stephan... it is pretty well known... plus it let me make a booze joke which is always a plus!
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« Reply #85 on: May 04, 2006, 07:11:53 pm »
Glad to see you back Likkerpig! I understand your position/situation quite well. I've got my own issues and have been unemployed for over 9 months now.

Anyway, I'm just glad to see ya back and hope you can get a chance to join in on the upcoming pirate fun, even for just a little bit. Looks like its going to be a hoot! Arrrrrr!  :)

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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #86 on: May 05, 2006, 05:14:00 pm »
Perhaps decidedly late on this, but I am surprised that someone actually got banned for a week yet it took this long to see a warning come up for the oposite side.  Also surprised no one commented on this.


Swallowing my considerable anger at this post...

Why has nobody commented on this? Because Dizzy never made a personal attack on anyone in the original thread.

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If you check the original thread:
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163366481.0.html

You will see that Lepton and Likkerpig were in clear violation of this policy, and received a one week ban according to our protocol, Dizzy was not violating any forum rules whatsoever in his post on the subject.

Likkerpig, sadly, has decided to leave us permanently because he did not agree with Dizzy's decree. He could have simply opted to not play on Dizzy's servers. Its too bad he'll miss out on Economy Wars and Storm Season Two. I'll miss our CubCarson and hope he'll reconsider.

I would ask that you rescind your implied accusation of administrative bias. Please be aware of all the facts before making such comments, thank you.


I understand the "fear" of firewalls has hit an all-time high and they dont help the situation.


There is no "fear" involved here, it is simple common sense and extensive experience speaking. Where the "fear" is involved is the irrational "fear" that the firewall producers foster in users to flog their products.


I agree with this 100%.  Likker was a decent guy, and a Good member here, He also had alot of Problems. Not the typical substance abuse thing, but some Mental problems. If and when he ever decides to contact us again, I woulld still help him out.

as for the situation Re: Firewalls, I really can't offer much as I'm the only sat User here. I wish to all hell, that I could Play with you guys, but a solid Con is beyond my means.

Once or twice a year, I manage to get ahold of a few People, and Play on my home LAN.

That reminds me, July 29th - 31st will be the next get together. Bring your PC to my ranch, and of course I'll provide the beef.

Now , Here's where It get's tricky. June 3rd. I'm doing a mans retreat, a way to get away from it all, Camping Fishing, and rune stones here at a park in Oklahoma. I know Dizzy will be here, as he want's to be shot with my paintball gun, don't ask me why, I guess he's a sadist.

But the thing is, My Nephew Brett, and my Grandson Julius, have never been Camping. I feel It's this old mans duty to provide that experience. Of course, I consider Frey, StormBringer, sethan, and Reluctantly  ;D ;D ;D Dizzy Family. I mean Dizzy does live in southern OK after all.  :P

Stephen


Stephen, I also live in the area. I live closer to Frey then anyone on the forum.

Now, I have noticeed that everytime I did disable my sw firewall, I get attacked about 3 minutes of playing on the Forge.
I looked at the forms of the port attack sw that they are using and it is for SP1 and lower. I have SP2 and SP3.
these attacks happen multiple times. will keep you guys updated




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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #87 on: May 05, 2006, 05:49:52 pm »
Nobody is questioning whether attacks will be attempted... they will, there is no doubt.

What I am saying is that they will actually have less of an effect on your PC and network connection if you are not running a software firewall at all. (assuming of course your OS and running software is up to date and securely configured).

99.9999% of these "attacks" pose no threat whatsoever.

The concept here is that how a software firewall responds to a harmless "attack" is far more of a problem than the "attack" itself. What they do to the tcp/ip stack even in the absence of any attacks is inexcusable...
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« Reply #88 on: May 05, 2006, 06:07:30 pm »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  :rofl:

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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2006, 01:27:03 am »
as for the situation Re: Firewalls, I really can't offer much as I'm the only sat User here. I wish to all hell, that I could Play with you guys, but a solid Con is beyond my means.

Once or twice a year, I manage to get ahold of a few People, and Play on my home LAN.

That reminds me, July 29th - 31st will be the next get together. Bring your PC to my ranch, and of course I'll provide the beef.

Now , Here's where It get's tricky. June 3rd. I'm doing a mans retreat, a way to get away from it all, Camping Fishing, and rune stones here at a park in Oklahoma. I know Dizzy will be here, as he want's to be shot with my paintball gun, don't ask me why, I guess he's a sadist.

But the thing is, My Nephew Brett, and my Grandson Julius, have never been Camping. I feel It's this old mans duty to provide that experience. Of course, I consider Frey, StormBringer, sethan, and Reluctantly  ;D ;D ;D Dizzy Family. I mean Dizzy does live in southern OK after all.  :P

Stephen

I am amazed that you have not considered going to a hotel in OKC that has Internet availability and trying to play there.  Might be a fun weekend, and some of the places are pretty cheap. 

May I suggest the Quality Inn, I-240 & S Western?  Decent room, good rates, very nice staff, excellent continental breakfast (with a waffle iron!) within walking distance of several restaraunts and a booty bar, and good connectivity.  I had no problems using my Palm to connect to the Internet.

Will it work for SFCOP?  I dunno, but you could explain your situation, and ask for 30 minutes to test the thing.  If it works, by all means go play one weekend a month!

Also, is dial-up out of the question? 


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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2006, 06:57:07 am »
(Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 NIV) What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. {10} Is there anything of which one can say, "Look! This is something new"? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.

I support Dizzy's position to require software firewall's and AV software to be OFF while playing on the Dynaverse.  I propose the community try it his way for three servers, and see how it goes.  I'll bet his solution ends up fixing a LOT of the connection issues. 

I've been watching this thread with interest.  Since I'm retired, and am not going to play, I really don't have dog in this fight.  But I have some thoughts, based on seven years of online play. 

It takes a MASSIVE amount of work to set up a Dynaverse server.  I imagine server admins  take a great deal of pride in their work, and their storyline.  It must be very, very frustrating to get all the angry e-mails and PM's from players that are CONVINCED that some dirty so-and-so is a cheat, because they contunually drop when the are to play. 

I don't think anyone is a cheat.  Maybe some people really push the envelope, and we have some rules lawyers,  but I have serious doubts at this stage of the game that anyone in this community fires up the computer planning to cheat.  So the problem of dropped connections is not a cheat, but a more innocent, but troublesome, technical issue.

If you have a flaky connection, and everybody and their mother is fighting for a critical hex 30 minutes before the VC count, the temptation to sneak in and take just one quick mission must be overwhelming.  Unfortunately, the moment you try to do so, you draft three legendary opponents (who took sick days and have been playing for 20 solid hours) in the best ships their side has, everyone crashes, one of them gets the Hand of Bethke and loses their ship,  and the cries of anguish are a thing to behold. Or you go somewhere where you think you are off the front lines, and get jumped anyway.  And CTD. 

When the game started, we had connection issues, but I remember playing 3 v 3 campaign battles in SFC1.  We did it on dial up.  We slowed the game down to speed 6, and connected via IP. Each fleet made sure that their players used voice settings that were easy on bandwidth.  We all used the same voice client, Battlecom.  We made sure that we ran a lean system, and did not have non-gamin programs taking up memory or clock cycles.  I remember taking pride in having NOTHING in my system tray, and having 93% system resources free on boot-up.  I had a GAMING rig, and the other programs I used, such as Office, were for the other things I did when I was not gaming. 

Then with SFC2, and the Mirak, we had all those missiles, and lots of new players that connected via AOL.  Some of us gently suggesgted the AOL folks get a better ISP, and the outrage from the AOL players was huge. 

People with dial-up have a problem with playing the game and dealing with voice chat.  That's because we don't bother anymore to get everybody to configure their voice setting in a bandwidth-efficient manner, and data packets between dial-up and broadband are not standardized .  If someone has bandwidth to burn, those people tend to forget our dial-up brethren, or feel they should get broadband. 

Keep in mind that this game should be able to run on dial-up and a P-II 500 64MB memory, using  W98.  Many of us have done it.  But in 2006, we have processor and memory to burn, so maybe we don't worry so much about how to run a lean system.  Many users have applications running that may grab critical resources at a critical moment. 

I use Zone Alarm, and have the thing properly configured.  My router is also configured right.  But Bonk has convinced me with his networking API technobabble that, even when I have taken all reasonable measures at my end, many AV and software firewalls cause random instability.[/u]   If I were to play this game again, I'd disable the software firewall, and my AV program, and have big post-it notes everywhere reminding me to set them up again after a gaming session. 

I don't see intrusions anymore through the software firewall.  The router takes care of it.  My software firewall is mostly a final check, and I like knowing when certain programs try and access the Internet.  But I can do without that security blanket while gaming. 

I suggest that the community go along with Dizzy's rule (since the server operator community is pretty tight, you might as well, or you could get locked out.  Or STFU and set up your own server.     ::) ::) ::)) for the next three major servers, and see what happens.  Again, I'll bet Dizzy's plan fixes a lot of problems. 

People spend too much time playing this game, and the server admins spend too much time on this game, to not take this simple, reasonable step to ensure game stability. 
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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2006, 07:09:53 am »
Thank you very much for that very well written comment. It puts it in terms people can understand, I have a tendency to overcomplicate things. You made some excellent points there. :thumbsup:

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Good point about voice too... TS on certain settings can be a hideous bandwidth hog. I stuck with RW and its tight gsm codec for years.

Re: Stephen - most hotels are probably using routers to connect their rooms and are unwilling to forward ports. (Probably cuz the security guard at the desk is playing BF1942 all night and needs the ports! lol...) A backup dial-up connection might be a better solution.



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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #92 on: May 07, 2006, 12:53:37 pm »
This thread still going on?  Zeppa, I really think you might want to analyze the assumptions inherent in your arguements.


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« Reply #93 on: May 07, 2006, 02:17:19 pm »
Thanks Maz... Some of your post was hilarious! "Moving off the frontlines and getting drafted anyway and CTD" haha - have had that happen. "Moving in during the last few mins of the server to run a mission and draft 3 legendary captains, big ships and all and everyone CTD's" hah - have had that happen too. Good advice on setting up your system. Everyone just 'expects' games to run these days and to put up with whatever the player happens to be running on their comp. It's certainly not like the good ole days when you had to configure and reconfigure again in order to get the game to run. I think maybe some peeps have forgotten that... forgotten that the game is 6 years old.

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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2006, 02:42:09 pm »
This thread still going on?  Zeppa, I really think you might want to analyze the assumptions inherent in your arguements.

Lepton,

Thanks for the input. 
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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2006, 08:08:20 am »
Don't bother playing if you leave your antivirus or firewall on.


Thats as simple as it gets.


Unless you participate in activities that put you on the top of a hackers list (torrents, warez, and/or porn) AND have a static IP.... You really have nothing to worry about.

I haven't used a firewall for years... and have yet to have someone attack my system.
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« Reply #96 on: January 16, 2007, 11:43:15 pm »
Didn't mean to say eliminate, just greatly reduce  ;)

And when Storm Season 3 comes about, there will be a rule something like this:

Please make sure your internet connection and computer are as stable as possible.   Make sure you've disabled your A/V, firewall, and any updaters that may be running on your machine.  Also, make sure you are running as few proceses as possible on your computer to help with system performance.

Back when I was running W98, I continually bought computer magazines and stayed current on ways to keep my computer in shape.  I now have Windows XP, and no longer spend a few hours a week reading up on Windows stuff. 

I just did a ctrl/alt/del to bring up the task manager, and found....46 processes running.  Since I'm not running a gaming rig anymore (chess is processor intensive at times, but lag and connection issues are not a big deal on chess servers, except in blitz games.)  I realize the onus of finding about all those processes is on the user.  My eyes glaze over at the concept of researching all 46 of those processes. 

Can anyone recommend a web site or list of processes to figure out what is what as people try and eliminate useless processes?

I'm not planning to play until summer, but can see that this may be an issue for other people.   

P.S. Extra props to anyone that can tell me how to kill realsched.exe without uninstalling Real Player.  That d**m thing just won't die. 

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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2007, 01:59:48 am »
Didn't mean to say eliminate, just greatly reduce  ;)

And when Storm Season 3 comes about, there will be a rule something like this:

Please make sure your internet connection and computer are as stable as possible.   Make sure you've disabled your A/V, firewall, and any updaters that may be running on your machine.  Also, make sure you are running as few proceses as possible on your computer to help with system performance.

Back when I was running W98, I continually bought computer magazines and stayed current on ways to keep my computer in shape.  I now have Windows XP, and no longer spend a few hours a week reading up on Windows stuff. 

I just did a ctrl/alt/del to bring up the task manager, and found....46 processes running.  Since I'm not running a gaming rig anymore (chess is processor intensive at times, but lag and connection issues are not a big deal on chess servers, except in blitz games.)  I realize the onus of finding about all those processes is on the user.  My eyes glaze over at the concept of researching all 46 of those processes. 

Can anyone recommend a web site or list of processes to figure out what is what as people try and eliminate useless processes?

I'm not planning to play until summer, but can see that this may be an issue for other people.   

P.S. Extra props to anyone that can tell me how to kill realsched.exe without uninstalling Real Player.  That d**m thing just won't die. 



I've discovered BattleField 2 is also a system/connection demanding game and simply followed the instructions included with the game for optimizing performance:
Go to your WIN task manager (Control+Alt+Delete), go to Processes, click User name to sort. Then select all processes with user name, but DO NOT select one from System, Local Service or Network Service groups. Also, Do Not select the explorer.exe or taskmgr.exe items. Click End Process. You may receive a warning message, if so click Yes. the selected item then disappears from the list. these processes will be restarted when you restsrt your computer.
It's a minor pain to do this each time, but, I've also only a few items I shut down, 27 running processes total, with only 3 I shut down, and it only takes me min or two.
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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2007, 06:43:54 am »
Bonk's Firewall Detector will be tested on the next SG server. If you are found to be running one, you will be warned once then banned from the SG server.

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Re: After a week banning. let's pick up where I left off.
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2007, 08:49:13 am »

Can anyone recommend a web site or list of processes to figure out what is what as people try and eliminate useless processes?

I'm not planning to play until summer, but can see that this may be an issue for other people.   

P.S. Extra props to anyone that can tell me how to kill realsched.exe without uninstalling Real Player.  That d**m thing just won't die. 



www.google.com   

Not being a smartass, just Google the name of the proccess and you'll find something that will tell you if it's spyware or not.
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