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Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« on: April 25, 2006, 07:01:22 pm »
Evidence Mounts For Companion Star To Our Sun

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Evidence_Mounts_For_Companion_Star_To_Our_Sun.html

Artist conception of the planetoid Sedna.
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The Binary Research Institute (BRI) has found that orbital characteristics of the recently discovered planetoid, "Sedna", demonstrate the possibility that our sun might be part of a binary star system. A binary star system consists of two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass.
Once thought to be highly unusual, such systems are now considered to be common in the Milky Way galaxy.

Walter Cruttenden at BRI, Professor Richard Muller at UC Berkeley, Dr. Daniel Whitmire of the University of Louisiana, amongst several others, have long speculated on the possibility that our sun might have an as yet undiscovered companion. Most of the evidence has been statistical rather than physical.

The recent discovery of Sedna, a small planet like object first detected by Cal Tech astronomer Dr. Michael Brown, provides what could be indirect physical evidence of a solar companion. Matching the recent findings by Dr. Brown, showing that Sedna moves in a highly unusual elliptical orbit, Cruttenden has determined that Sedna moves in resonance with previously published orbital data for a hypothetical companion star.

In the May 2006 issue of Discover, Dr. Brown stated: "Sedna shouldn't be there. There's no way to put Sedna where it is. It never comes close enough to be affected by the sun, but it never goes far enough away from the sun to be affected by other stars... Sedna is stuck, frozen in place; there's no way to move it, basically there's no way to put it there – unless it formed there. But it's in a very elliptical orbit like that. It simply can't be there. There's no possible way - except it is. So how, then?"

"I'm thinking it was placed there in the earliest history of the solar system. I'm thinking it could have gotten there if there used to be stars a lot closer than they are now and those stars affected Sedna on the outer part of its orbit and then later on moved away. So I call Sedna a fossil record of the earliest solar system. Eventually, when other fossil records are found, Sedna will help tell us how the sun formed and the number of stars that were close to the sun when it formed."

Walter Cruttenden agrees that Sedna's highly elliptical orbit is very unusual, but noted that the orbit period of 12,000 years is in neat resonance with the expected orbit periodicity of a companion star as outlined in several prior papers. Consequently, Cruttenden believes that Sedna's unusual orbit is something indicative of the current solar system configuration, not merely a historical record.

"It is hard to imagine that Sedna would retain its highly elliptical orbit pattern since the beginning of the solar system billions of years ago. Because eccentricity would likely fade with time, it is logical to assume Sedna is telling us something about current, albeit unexpected solar system forces, most probably a companion star".

Outside of a few popular articles, and Cruttenden's book "Lost Star of Myth and Time", which outlines historical references and the modern search for the elusive companion, the possibility of a binary partner star to our sun has been left to the halls of academia. But with Dr. Brown's recent discoveries of Sedna and Xena, (now confirmed to be larger than Pluto), and timing observations like Cruttenden's, the search for a companion star may be gaining momentum.

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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2006, 07:04:53 pm »
If it is a binary then the companion is likely closer than Alpha Proxima which would mean either our astroonomy is very clumsy not to have detected it or it is a dark star or dwarf of some sort. OTOH it may be that if the distance between binary companions is larger than i think then the companion may be Alpha Proxima or one of it's two companion stars. Very interesting to think about.

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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2006, 08:04:15 am »
If it is a binary then the companion is likely closer than Alpha Proxima which would mean either our astroonomy is very clumsy not to have detected it or it is a dark star or dwarf of some sort. OTOH it may be that if the distance between binary companions is larger than i think then the companion may be Alpha Proxima or one of it's two companion stars. Very interesting to think about.

There's just one problem with the theory...  If the Sun has a binary companion star, then where is it?  Surely all the Stars that are nearby have been observed by spectrogrpahic analysis and their trajectories calculated by now? 



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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2006, 08:38:11 am »
There's just one problem with the theory...  If the Sun has a binary companion star, then where is it?  Surely all the Stars that are nearby have been observed by spectrogrpahic analysis and their trajectories calculated by now? 


Brown dwarf star.

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Originally called black dwarfs (and often called enanas cafe in Mexico), these substellar objects were first conceived of in the early 1960s as dark bodies floating freely in space. Stellar models had suggested that a true star must have a m ass at least 80 times that of Jupiter to kindle the stable fusion of hydrogen. Objects with less than 80 Jupiter masses were believed to exist, but it was recognized that they would be extremely difficult to find because they would emit very little light.


The theoretical companion is either a brown dwarf as described above or a super Jovian planet.  Either is theorized to be in a very long term orbit incled to the ecliptic.  Depending where it currently is in its orbit it might never have been observed as it could only be seen in the infrared or by passing in front of a star being observed and blocking that star.

Brown dwarfs in other solar systems have been detected in close binary orbits.  Some have been cool enough to have methane present in the atmosphere.  The proposed solar companion could perhaps be even cooler and therefore harder to detect. 

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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2006, 06:51:09 pm »
There's just one problem with the theory...  If the Sun has a binary companion star, then where is it?  Surely all the Stars that are nearby have been observed by spectrogrpahic analysis and their trajectories calculated by now? 


Brown dwarf star.

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Originally called black dwarfs (and often called enanas cafe in Mexico), these substellar objects were first conceived of in the early 1960s as dark bodies floating freely in space. Stellar models had suggested that a true star must have a m ass at least 80 times that of Jupiter to kindle the stable fusion of hydrogen. Objects with less than 80 Jupiter masses were believed to exist, but it was recognized that they would be extremely difficult to find because they would emit very little light.


The theoretical companion is either a brown dwarf as described above or a super Jovian planet.  Either is theorized to be in a very long term orbit incled to the ecliptic.  Depending where it currently is in its orbit it might never have been observed as it could only be seen in the infrared or by passing in front of a star being observed and blocking that star.

Brown dwarfs in other solar systems have been detected in close binary orbits.  Some have been cool enough to have methane present in the atmosphere.  The proposed solar companion could perhaps be even cooler and therefore harder to detect. 

Binary Research Institute (cited at the end of the article Stormbringer posted)


Seems unlikely that we wouldn't have noticed it by now...


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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2006, 08:45:25 pm »
Seems unlikely that we wouldn't have noticed it by now...


Space is big and something like this unless you know where to look is hard to see.

Consider this.  There is a comet with a 5.4 year period first seen in 1930 the next sighting wasn't until 1979.  That comet is closer than Jupiter most of the time and was missed for 49 years.

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German astronomers Arnold Schwassmann and Arno Arthur Wachmann discovered this comet during a photographic search for asteroids in 1930, when the comet passed within 9.3 million kilometres of the Earth (only 24 times the Earth-Moon distance). The comet orbits the Sun every 5.4 years, but it was not seen again until 1979. The comet was missed again in 1985 but has been observed at every return since then.


If a comet which is relatively easy to see can be found by accident then lost again for 49 years (and 8 or 9 close approaches missed) then a dim object beyond the kuiper belt could be missed quite easily.  Especially easily when the idea of its existance is being disputed by the better established scientists who control or strongly influence funding and telescope time.
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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 07:26:40 pm »
Seems unlikely that we wouldn't have noticed it by now...


Space is big and something like this unless you know where to look is hard to see.

Consider this.  There is a comet with a 5.4 year period first seen in 1930 the next sighting wasn't until 1979.  That comet is closer than Jupiter most of the time and was missed for 49 years.

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German astronomers Arnold Schwassmann and Arno Arthur Wachmann discovered this comet during a photographic search for asteroids in 1930, when the comet passed within 9.3 million kilometres of the Earth (only 24 times the Earth-Moon distance). The comet orbits the Sun every 5.4 years, but it was not seen again until 1979. The comet was missed again in 1985 but has been observed at every return since then.


If a comet which is relatively easy to see can be found by accident then lost again for 49 years (and 8 or 9 close approaches missed) then a dim object beyond the kuiper belt could be missed quite easily.  Especially easily when the idea of its existance is being disputed by the better established scientists who control or strongly influence funding and telescope time.


I for one will not be losing any sleep over it, if you ask me, the damn thing doesn't exist...  Even if you can't see it, it's existance would be inferred by movement in the bodies of the Sol system...  It seems far more likely to me that the anomolies seen in Kuiper belt objects are down to the fact that we still don't have adequate models for what goes on out there...  I could be wrong, and I'll watch this space, but Sol being part of a binary is not something that I would be betting money on...


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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 07:47:30 pm »
I for one will not be losing any sleep over it, if you ask me, the damn thing doesn't exist...  Even if you can't see it, it's existance would be inferred by movement in the bodies of the Sol system...  It seems far more likely to me that the anomolies seen in Kuiper belt objects are down to the fact that we still don't have adequate models for what goes on out there...  I could be wrong, and I'll watch this space, but Sol being part of a binary is not something that I would be betting money on...

But they already have a name for it.  Anything with that name has to be real and trustworth.
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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2006, 08:08:36 pm »
I for one will not be losing any sleep over it, if you ask me, the damn thing doesn't exist...  Even if you can't see it, it's existance would be inferred by movement in the bodies of the Sol system...  It seems far more likely to me that the anomolies seen in Kuiper belt objects are down to the fact that we still don't have adequate models for what goes on out there...  I could be wrong, and I'll watch this space, but Sol being part of a binary is not something that I would be betting money on...

But they already have a name for it.  Anything with that name has to be real and trustworth.


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Re: Evidence That Sol is part of a Binary Star system growing
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2006, 10:38:33 pm »
But they already have a name for it.  Anything with that name has to be real and trustworth.


I call my homeworld "Tator Salad".

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Not quite the name proposed for the hypothetical companion star.  I like the one they chose much more.
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