Topic: Kat Fight

[Hexx]

Background

With the collapse of the Kzinti economy due to the sheer amount of corruption and graft in the Empire( studies would later show that over 95% of the Economy was based on graft, with less than 5% based on trade,let alone manufacturing there simply wasn't anything to skim anymore) The population of the Kzinti Hegemony found themselves in an unprecedented epidemic of disease (being filthy beasts and all) and starvation.

 Local Warlords quickly gained power, doling out food and what few medical supplies they had in return for the support of the masses.
Of course with few resources to control, and a growing number of warlords, the self proclaimed "saviours" of the Hegemony quickly fell to squabbling amongst themselves.

 Seeing a disaster of unprecedented proportions, the Federation council , in a hastily called emergency meeting decided to make a number of sound bites and photo ops, as well they repealed several " anti-trade" laws that had legally kept Federation Weapons manufacturers from selling product to the Kzin warlords. Several Federation companies also secured contracts to rebuild the shattered Kzin infrastructure along the Federation border. In the few places this infrastructure wasn't in need of repair, Starfleet was forced to launch several preemptive strikes on renegade Kzin warriors, which unfortunately had the side effect of leveling whatever infrastructure had survived.

 The Klingon Empire reinforced it's Northern Border Fleet, but chose to do nothing as they were having their own cultural upheaval,
Switching from an ostensibly Russian based culture to a pseudo Samurai based one wasn't turning out to be as easy as they had initially thought.

 The Lyran Empire voted unanimously to send charitable aid to their stricken neighbors. Within hours of the noble decision, Lyran freighters carrying food and medical supplies crossed into Kzinti space. Establishing orbit around several of the major Kzin border worlds they began to ferry down the food, as well as trained medical personal to help establish clinics for the sick. The Kzin population quickly began to turn their backs on the despotic Warlords that had seized power. Here, truly, the Lyrans- long vilified as" Enemies of the People" by the former Kzin government were passing out food and medicine as quickly as they could be shipped from Lyran space.
Unfortunately as they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

 Worried about being shown up by the Lyrans, The Federation Council warned them to stay out of Kzin space; claiming only Starfleet (and of course the major Federation companies) had the moral right to operate in the former Hegemony. After failing to intimidate the selfless Lyrans the Federation ordered Starfleet to fire on any Lyran ship (preferably unarmed) they could find. After a particularly one sided skirmish, where a squad of Lyran DD's defeated a Starfleet CC squadron in the suxtobeu Nebula, the Federation decided to switch tactics.

 The Federation announced that it's intelligence agencies had discovered that the Lyran "Medical supplies" were in fact drugs and apparatus designed to spay and neuter the Kzini population under guise of "medical aide" . Though these accusations were of course baseless, and it should be mentioned the high number of Veterinarians amongst the Lyran volunteers was merely because so many medical personal had volunteered that a few were bound to slip through the cracks. Still a particularly vile Kzin warlord, with some degree of base cunning was more than happy to swear secret allegiance to his new Federation masters in return for warships and supplies.

 With the might of the Federation's economy behind him, churning out drones and poorly built ships faster than anyone could blow them up, the Warlord quickly reclaimed much of Kzin space. When the Kzin world's that the Lyrans were providing aide for voted unanimously in free elections to ask to be declared Protectorate's of the Lyran Empire the warlord flew into a rage. Ignoring the wishes of the Kzin he claimed to represent he ordered massive drone strikes on any planet his fleet could get close to. The  Lyran Navy moved in to protect the innocent and helpless peoples of those worlds.

The War was On.

From "Histories of the Early Lyran Peacekeeping Era: Prelude to the Lyran Defeat of the Andromedans"
Lyran Pan-Galactic Protectorate Library
published 2282

Server
Lyrans v Kzin
10 days -2 weeks
@ 2268-80ish (subject ti change of course)

Standard(ish) shiplist- No X tech
Vp's for map objectives & win/loss PVP ratio.
smallish map
more exciting details coming soon.

[likkerpig]

Finally some no-spin history!
Of course it didn't come from those spin doctor Feds!

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Background

 The Klingon Empire reinforced it's Northern Border Fleet, but chose to do nothing as they were having their own cultural upheaval,
Switching from an ostensibly Russian based culture to a pseudo Samurai based one wasn't turning out to be as easy as they had initially thought.

 

-S'Cipio

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I'm sure those  relief supplies were much needed considering how devastating the conflict and the damage done to every imaginable institution of civilization in the Kzinti colony worlds must have been, especially on Lyra, which was propably the worst hit of the Kzinti colonies. 

[likkerpig]

I'm sure those  relief supplies were much needed considering how devastating the conflict and the damage done to every imaginable institution of civilization in the Kzinti colony worlds must have been, especially on Lyra, which was propably the worst hit of the Kzinti colonies. 

Ahhh, obviously suffering from vitamin deficiency leading to delusions.
No Lyran worlds have ever fallen to outside forces, contrary to reports put forward by disinformation ministers usually labelled "Bagdad Bob" or "Green".
The benevolent Lyran Star Empire has once again extended its paw in friendship and sympathy to our more primitive almost sentient fellows in the Kzinti Hegemony.  Of course this act of kindness was immediately attacked by the warmonger "Opium Lords" of the UFC, who saw the possibility of losing their grip of the oppressed Kzin peoples, as well as the loss of their 'nip market if the noble Lyran detoxification plan comes to fruitataion.

THROW OFF YOUR SHACKLES KZIN BROTHERS AND SISTERS,  JOIN US IN SMITING YOUR OPPRESSORS... LAP DOGS OF THE IMPERIALIST HUMAN EMPIRE!

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

No Lyran worlds have ever fallen to outside forces,.....

Technically you could be correct as the Lyrans chose to tactically regroup on the planet Vichy  before the Kzinti onslaught vs Lyra.  On Vichy the Lyran leader Hexx felt he had a better strategic position wedge in on three sides by the protective embrace of the Klingon Empire.

The benevolent Lyran Star Empire has once again extended its paw in friendship and sympathy to our more primitive almost sentient fellows in the Kzinti Hegemony.

Or was it more of a "Sicilian" hand gesture?

Of course this act of kindness was immediately attacked by the warmonger "Opium Lords" of the UFC, who saw the possibility of losing their grip of the oppressed Kzin peoples, as well as the loss of their 'nip market if the noble Lyran detoxification plan comes to fruitataion.

Umm Likkerpig espousing detox?  ok what have you done with the real Likkerpig?

 


Go ahead and rally around that famous "battle flag"<Snicker>  of yours..... 





....and rally behind that Bastion of the Star Empire <Snicker> Hexx the Brave, Mightiest of the Lyrans <Double Snicker>.....





It might even prevent enough distraction for you students to stop striking 

[FPF-DieHard]

This looks fun. 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Proof of the "Lyran French Connection"

http://agent2508.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_agent2508_archive.html

here are a few snippets from the entries

Thursday, June 09, 2005
How Appropriate
My apartment is in the rue Caffarelli - which is an in-joke, if you're a Lyran. Caffarelli was a soldier of the ancien regime who became a general under Napoleon, and was killed in Egypt in 1799 ... except he was a Lyran, responsible for some of workstream 7.33, which eventually led to the revolution. One of the few Lyrans ever to die in battle. How about that.

Yup not a typical Lyran as they run from battle not die in it, likely killed by being trampled in a mass retreat. 

Learning French a Bit Quicker
"We want you to blend in" said 086 yesterday. "You see, somebody has to take charge of liaison, and you're the best French speaker we have."
So it's a week of total immersion, and, when I say total I mean total.
A lot of earthling research into learning has been funded by Lyrans - we want to get back some of the techniques we use at home. Some of the stuff that isn't available yet, or is hidden away in government laboratories, is made by companies we own.
For the rest of this week, I'll be strapped in a chair with goggles over my eyes, in a state of mild hypnosis absorbing the most modern French programs we can find. It had better be worth it.

Is it a wonder that the Lyrans have been teaching the French?  And since the French have already mastered the Lyran technique of surrender, I guess we should look for French ships crashing into rocks in the near future as the information sharing continues 

A Quiet Weekend
Decided to spend most of the weekend dead. Decision influenced by how I felt on Saturday morning after drinking most of the night before. But there was nothing much on TV - I've lost interest in the Grand Prix this year, it's all so predictable. Actually, the Schumacher thing was a bit of a mistake, if you ask me, and Raikonnen isn't exactly doing us any favours either. Bit of re-programming needed there, I think - good thing it's not my workstream.
Being dead is one of the first skills Lyrans learn - otherwise, we would never be able to go on those long interstellar journeys - but you need to have a safe environment (ironic if you died in a house fire, after all), and you need to revive a good twelve hours before work the next morning. So we usually do it in pairs - I had sat for 1972 a few weeks ago. When he arrived, I climbed into the casket, composed myself, and ....bliss. Woke up a few minutes ago feeling a lot better. Dying does that for you.

"Being dead is one of the first skills Lyrans learn", and one they never seem to forget 

Beginning to think this is Hexx's blog 

[Hexx]

History
The Kzin Pacification actually started as a rather small scale peacekeeping action. Despite the fact that it arguably was the first step in the eventual creation of the Lyran Pan-Galactic Protectorate, no one at the time had predicted it would be anything more than a few small scale engagements until the "New" Kzin command structure succumbed to to the same racial traits of greed and sloth that had doomed the Hegemony.

 Neither Fleet at the start was particularly powerful, the Warlords fleet was an amalgamation of Hegemony era ships,and Federation built copies of Hegemony design. Suffice to say of course while the ships looked the same, vastly different levels of incompatible electronics systems had to be worked on and integrated into what the Warlord hoped oneday would become an efficient fighting machine. Although history would show that this never happened, and that the Kzin had to rely on the mass number of ships being produced in Federation factories to make up for the complete lack of strategic or tactical vision demonstrated by his command structure.
 
Of course the Lyran Navy at the time, while demonstrating time and time again that they were the best led, best trained, best equipped fleet in the Quadrant, they also didn't have the huge numbers of ships their opponents relied on. While many ships had been converted to carry relief supplies to the masses of starving Kzin, many more were still needed in deployment on the Hydran front.
 (The reader must note that these events took place just prior to the Great Betrayal and subsequent Hydran extinction, the local powers had not yet realized that the Hydran Empire had already offered their servitude to the Andromedans)
 
 Still with their limited number of ships, the Lyran navy was able to remain on the offensive throughout most of the Pacification through a combination of brilliant leadership, and innovative developments in planning as well as command and control dynamics. It is of course interesting to note that the aforementioned developments by the Lyran navy would oft try to be duplicated by teh rest of the Local powers
Fedration,Klingon, Romulan,Gorn and Concordat Naval theorists all began to try and develop variations of the base Lyran Naval doctrines.
It is perhaps ironic that so much time,effort, and money were thrown into trying to develop counters to the Lyran Navy's envied dominance when the Lyrans had no desire to do anything but help out their less fortunate neighbors. Of course this woul come back to haunt all the powers when the dark days of the Andromedan Invasion descended...
 
From " Following Destiny : Prelude to the Klingon Intervention  "
Lyran Pan-Galactic Protectorate Library
published 2291

Server Concepts

The server will (hopefully) test out a few new ideas (yes I know-quit whining)
While it be of course be mainly a stand up fight between the noble Lyran navy , and the evil machinations of the Kzin warlord
and his Federation Masters, it will have a few new twists, as well as incorporating many of the more interesting features from past servers

- There will be a cap ship limit. This applies to everything from BCH's and up
- There will be "special" limitations as to the deployment of DN's and CVA's
- Specialty ships (what few there are) will be treatd a bit differently.
  Accounts will be craetd in advance for X number of them, once that particular ship is destroyed, it's gone.
- There is a massive (well kinda big)slot area. This area includes many different types of terrain (not that many Nebs though...)\
  with low (5)
  DV scores and a large number of low VP hexes, it should change hands alot.
- There are also a number of high DV large VP hexes, with appropriate starbases and defensive networks.
  the idea is to make these only crackable by a big-ship fleet.
- finally each side will have a number of "secret" objective hexes to mark, these represent supply depots, command posts, listening 
  stations, etc
- Each side will also have a number of points to spend, these points can be used to (all subject to change of course)
   - build new capital ships (?)
   - add a ship to hte max number of capital ships you can have on the board
     ** current plan is to start the server with 0 or 1 Capital ship permitted per side, to get more spend the points)
   - be used to "ambush" an enemy capital ship
     ** current plan is to use this to set up a GSA "Hunt the Bismarck" style match
   - be used to learn the location of a number of enemy secret VP's

[likkerpig]

Whoo-eee Jethro!
You been hitting that nip a little too hard there chuttster!
I don't think detox will be enough for you, perhaps some brain manipulation will help with those delusions.
Oh, the medical specialists recommend castration in your case as well, if we get rid of that cronic masterbation thing you have going you can concentrate on your recovery more.

See how benevolent we are? Even after all those lies and delusions you are spreading about us, we still have your best interests at heart!

[Riskyllama]

As part of my Interstellar Concordium training, we studied the tactics of many of the races we would have to endeavour to help peacekeep. One such race was the Federation. For a society that claimed to put so much emphasis on the ideas of peace, justice, tolerance, and the betterment of creatures throughout the galaxy...One can not help but notice the amazing number of blunders that the Federation and it's supporting Starfleet warmongers  have caused.  One prime example is the Federation invasion of Cestus III and the subsequent attack on Gorn troops and ships. Again the "United Federation" attacked both First Federation navigation bouys and vessels without a full understanding of the situation. Even when aware of the flag of truce, Federation security agents attempted to attack the unarmed Klingon emmisary on Capella IV. One wonders how the Federation keeps from being in open warfare with all it it's neighbors.

It is no suprise then, that the Federation has become hostile and has attempted to attack Lyran Peace-Keeping Units, My only regret is that ISC fleet elements are not yet to full strength. Intervening in such a conflict could only help to gain such a noble ally as the Lyrans when we attempt to restore such a truobled galaxy to peace in the days to come.

[Julin Eurthyr]

One wonders how the Federation keeps from being in open warfare with all it it's neighbors.

Because of that "Federation Council" outfit they have, the ones who are loathe to declare war, write treaties every chance they get, and stuff it down the throats of their "noble" officers.  If not for that unarmed council, we'd see another empire fall to the truism of "absolute power corrupting absolutely".  Because, if the Entire Federation were truly pacifists, the officers of Starfleet would be knocking down the door looking for a chance to help us in our pacifications.

[Skaren]

Well said Julian !!

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

As part of my Interstellar Concordium training, we studied the tactics of many of the races we would have to endeavour to help peacekeep. One such race was the Federation. For a society that claimed to put so much emphasis on the ideas of peace, justice, tolerance, and the betterment of creatures throughout the galaxy...One can not help but notice the amazing number of blunders that the Federation and it's supporting Starfleet warmongers  have caused.  One prime example is the Federation invasion of Cestus III and the subsequent attack on Gorn troops and ships. Again the "United Federation" attacked both First Federation navigation bouys and vessels without a full understanding of the situation. Even when aware of the flag of truce, Federation security agents attempted to attack the unarmed Klingon emmisary on Capella IV. One wonders how the Federation keeps from being in open warfare with all it it's neighbors.

It is no suprise then, that the Federation has become hostile and has attempted to attack Lyran Peace-Keeping Units, My only regret is that ISC fleet elements are not yet to full strength. Intervening in such a conflict could only help to gain such a noble ally as the Lyrans when we attempt to restore such a truobled galaxy to peace in the days to come.

You've done Lyran before Risky, why not give Kzin ago, might be fun to try it for a change.

It would be fun to wing with you again, been too long my friend. 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Actually, weren't we supposed to have a Lyran Civil war first Hexx?  Been looking forward to that one.  You could rest assured there wouldn't be any starcastling for that one 

[Hexx]

And for those that want to get in early with the thrashing ..
With the qualifier that this is all subject to change

~ Bases
Kzin Starbases (not base stations/ battlestations) will be toned down a bit
likely replacing some of the Ph$'s with drone racks
Lyran Starbases (not base statosn/battlestations) will be upgraded a bit
(likely replacing a few Ph4's with better and non historic PD system)

Yes this could essnetially be considered a nerf of the Kzin bases with an upgrade of the Lyran
It's really the only way I can see to balance out attacking the big (high VP) Starbase hexes.

~ PVP VP's
I'd like to try a PVP VP ratio system- points will be awarded for having the most kills in different
ship class categories
ie
            
FF
DD/DW
CL/CW
CA/CC
BCH
DN/CVA

Having a 3/2 kill ratio would net your side one point, 2-1 3 points. 3-1 5points 4-1 10 points (which would likely be the max)
Each category would be determined seperately, so if the Lyrans killed mor DD's, and the Kzin kiled more CW's it would balance ot.
Also possible it could put a greatr point ratio on the win/loss of the heavier ships (BCH and up)

As alluded to before- there would also be "resource points" for either side.
These would be used for a variety of things, the ones which I'm currently working on balancing being
1) Building big ships- You'll have to spend points to buy/ replace the big shps
2) CnC You'll be able to spend points to increase your side's ship limits.
(atm both sides start being able to have 1 capital ship on the board at a time, spending X number of points would allow
 a side to field a second, there would of course be a maximum (likely 3) that could be on at a time)
3) Ambush- for less than it costs to field a new big ship, you'll be able to spend RP to intercept enemy communications and set up
   an ambush of an enemy capital ship. This would essentially be a "Hunt the Bismarck" scenario played out on GSA


Again all concepts are works in progress, whle I think all of them can be made to work I wnat to do it without
overcomplicating things as I've been known to do.
Any thoughts/comments or of course the unconditional surrender of the Kzin Warlords to face War Crimes trials would be appreciated.

[Hexx]

Actually, weren't we supposed to have a Lyran Civil war first Hexx?  Been looking forward to that one.  You could rest assured there wouldn't be any starcastling for that one 

LCW is on hold while I desperately try and throw together a series of servers featuring the Lyrans to try and get some PVP practice in.

But yes, LCW is still beiing planned, as is a Kzin Civil War.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I'm curious as to what you see as equilivants between the two navies from a balance point of view. 

Be kinda interesting to compare ship stats on your "matchups"

I'm particularly interested to see what you propose as an equal matchup in this "massive" slot area vs say the L-CWLP.  Of course I know the CWLP will be limited as specialty ships as they are command variants, but just curious.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

~ Bases
Kzin Starbases (not base stations/ battlestations) will be toned down a bit
likely replacing some of the Ph$'s with drone racks
Lyran Starbases (not base statosn/battlestations) will be upgraded a bit
(likely replacing a few Ph4's with better and non historic PD system)

Yes this could essnetially be considered a nerf of the Kzin bases with an upgrade of the Lyran
It's really the only way I can see to balance out attacking the big (high VP) Starbase hexes.

*cough* fix *cough*   

The Lyran navy is quite capable of taking down a Kzinti Starbase, trust me I can actually do it faster as a Lyran than as a Kzinti to tell you the truth. Unless of course carriers are not limited as you have suggested they will be.   BATS are easier as a Kzin however, Base Stations pop quickly no matter what.

[deadmansix]

 And don't forget that the Hydrans are just looking for a reason to get rid of the toothless furballs called Lyarns, and attacking our good friends the Kizin would give us that reason.