Topic: Wars that Should Have Been..

[Hexx]

Yes it's true.
Not having had anything to have a hissy fit about online for a few months I thought I'd try and throw another few campaigns together
( & of course the fact that the guys i was going to play D&D online with bailed after I bought it...grrr)

Civil Wars bore me at the moment, plasma has always bored me.
Traditional multi race setups have become predictable, as (to a degree) have the "classic" war setups.
So something (sort of) new.

Wars that weren't, but should have been

~ Federation vs Kzin
~ Federation vs Hydran
~ Federation vs Kzin vs Hydran
~ Kzin vs Hydran

The fact that all of these involve fighter-using races in no way should be seen as advocating that fighters
are cooler than PF's.
The fact that it will likely involve someone beating on the Feds should in no way be taken as amusing.

Any interest?

EDIT- blind VP system- (just needed to write this here cuz Ill forget)-
Other notes-
- probably 1 week, maybe 2 depending on start year (yes I've learned my lesson about tech progression + multi week servers)
- Most likely would be Kzin vs Fed- think it's the easiest to balance and set up (damn cheesy Hydrans), although a three way would be cool...
  hmmmm
- Years to be detrmined, but sometime after semi-decent fighters available to both, really would like to see it before BCH fest (77+) though
   so dunno...
- Shiplists would be SFB accuratish, no CJ/Unique unit, Fed fleets (in any scenario) would be the " Western" ships
  (ie no plasma /PhG boats- dunno if anyone uses them anyway)
- Map would be my oft suggested never used idea of a few heavily defended high value hexes for those that only feel alive when commanding huge
  fleets of multiple DN's <cought00lcough>, plus a number of smaller more numerous targets for the individual pilots to shine
- Rules would be kept to a minimum (don't die, take territory, kill ships) ~there would be rules for Cap ships though (ie if you're in a CVA, one of your
  escorts has to be an escort)
- Hexes would be a combo of high DV around important areas, low DV (like 5) around most areas.
- there would definitely be a slot area
- VP hexes would likely be a combo of obvious (Major planet/ shipyard at xx,yy) & hidden- (side a places a research outpost in hex x1,y1)
  hidden VP hexes would be submitted to admin & revealed at server end
  Some of these "secret" vp installations would be revealed during the course of  the server , with a time limt (say 1hour after posting) for
  VP's to be awarded for their destruction.
- would absolutely love to incorporate Bonk's DV shift system if it's ready for prime time (or hell, even if it's not)
- there would likely be some kind of Vp system for PVP- but based on overall shiploss for the entire run rather than concentrating points on
  individual ships/ship types.
- likely would have a bp system for the heaviest metal, nothing complicated, really simply there to represent if a big ship goes down there shouldn't
  be another available 30 seconds later. No real interest in extending it to the "specialty ships" etc. Too much work.
- action points.. hmm I could set something up so each side gets a number of points, they could either be used to build crap  (ie the Fed & Kzin ships)
  or for intel- ie spend a point find out where a enemy hidden VP is, spend a number of them and get a shot at a specific enemy ship... now this is why I have
  such a rep as  genius around here, I really think I like this idea, which of course means thte lot of you will hate it... bastards.
- 

[KBF-Kurok]

sounds cool. I can still kill feds and thats what counts. Plus i get to fly hydran and Mirak two of my favorite races.

[Hexx]

sounds cool. I can still kill feds and thats what counts. Plus i get to fly hydran and Mirak two of my favorite races.

soo Hydarn,Mirak, Klink... just how many favourite races do you have? 

[RogueJedi]

hm...I've been thinking along similar lines. I've even started working out some server settings for something.

[Hexx]

hm...I've been thinking along similar lines. I've even started working out some server settings for something.

Cool
Server setting are good, I have to usually get DH to do it, and the things he makes me say leave me feeling so unclean...

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"The fact that it will likely involve someone beating on the Feds should in no way be taken as amusing."

I'm not going to bother to be a Fed target for all the coalition members plus the devotees of whatever race you assign to throw at whatevers left of the feds that have actually been showing up in the last year or so.  I would suggest you make short one to two week servers like hydran vs mirak, or rom versus gorn, which might still translate into a coalition base versus an alliance base.

There simply aren't enough Feds putting in enough time for whatever reasons, to bother with this. I've nuttered enough to know.

[RogueJedi]

There simply aren't enough Feds putting in enough time for whatever reasons, to bother with this. I've nuttered enough to know.

The game just ain't the same without the Blue Plague to push around.

[Hexx]

"The fact that it will likely involve someone beating on the Feds should in no way be taken as amusing."

I'm not going to bother to be a Fed target for all the coalition members plus the devotees of whatever race you assign to throw at whatevers left of the feds that have actually been showing up in the last year or so.  I would suggest you make short one to two week servers like hydran vs mirak, or rom versus gorn, which might still translate into a coalition base versus an alliance base.

There simply aren't enough Feds putting in enough time for whatever reasons, to bother with this. I've nuttered enough to know.

There's not enough left of anyone to do anything really interesting.. (have I mentioned by odd ideas for an Andro Invasion?)
I think with Kzin/Fed server you should have a decent balance of peeps flying Kzin and peeps that would fly Fed.
Some people don't like flying Fed, some don't like flying Kzin.
Hopefully they'll be amused flying one of the two.
(I'll fly either, maybe both..)

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"There's not enough left of anyone to do anything really interesting" 

That's a copout. As Kreug pointed out a few months ago, the alliance signs up and the coalition shows up. Whatever you do and I appreciate that you actually want to do something, you need to give some serious thought to what the numbers might be under your scenarios. Creating servers that you know going in are likely to be blowouts, won't help maintain an active player base.

I don't think many great songs get sung about conquering AI...

[Hexx]

"There's not enough left of anyone to do anything really interesting" 

That's a copout. As Kreug pointed out a few months ago, the alliance signs up and the coalition shows up. Whatever you do and I appreciate that you actually want to do something, you need to give some serious thought to what the numbers might be under your scenarios. Creating servers that you know going in are likely to be blowouts, won't help maintain an active player base.

I doubt think many great songs get sung about conquering AI...

I'm far to terribly amused by the Leafs getting blown out tonight to take offence to this (hehe Hockey fans read some of the stories being written by TO media
"Well 47 years ago the Toronto Maple Leafs managed a late season surge to get into the playoffs.. so there's a history there for this team making it.." <sigh> literally too funny for words.
47 years ago..history..Ahhh amusing, (hehe ) anyway where was I...

Ah yes

Play. don't play. If I get the server up all are welcome, if you feel you can't possibly have fun on a server that doesn't (or might not) have a large Fed contingent show up then wait for the next one. (Or actually the one's before it i suppose.. think Burt & Jeff are both planning launches )

My numbers should be fairly solid, for everyone who doesn't want to fly Fed there's a person who doesn't like the Kzin interface.
Neither are coaltion races, neither races ships handle or fly like any coaltion race. I assume the Klinks will (may) largely fly Kzin
I assume the Hydrans will largely fly Fed, I assume the Lyrans will split, I asume the other 5 or 6 plyers will split up also.

In any event I can only try, (and trick DH into hosting another )
If anyone feels it's a waste of their time they really don't have to play.
(All the more CVA's for me..)

<snicker> 47 years.. oh my..

[FPF-DieHard]

we had 47 people show up for the first night of KCW.  we can still drum up players for a big event, keeping their interest in a server after the initial kickoff is what eludes me.

That said, I think we need a little more variety in the next seriosu campaing than a 2 races server.

[762_XC]

As long as I don't have to fly Klingon.

P.S. Make it a 2v2 Server, like Four Powers War or K L vs F Z or K L vs F H.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"There's not enough left of anyone to do anything really interesting" 

That's a copout. As Kreug pointed out a few months ago, the alliance signs up and the coalition shows up. Whatever you do and I appreciate that you actually want to do something, you need to give some serious thought to what the numbers might be under your scenarios. Creating servers that you know going in are likely to be blowouts, won't help maintain an active player base.

I doubt think many great songs get sung about conquering AI...

I'm far to terribly amused by the Leafs getting blown out tonight to take offence to this (hehe Hockey fans read some of the stories being written by TO media
"Well 47 years ago the Toronto Maple Leafs managed a late season surge to get into the playoffs.. so there's a history there for this team making it.." <sigh> literally too funny for words.
47 years ago..history..Ahhh amusing, (hehe ) anyway where was I...

Ah yes

Play. don't play. If I get the server up all are welcome, if you feel you can't possibly have fun on a server that doesn't (or might not) have a large Fed contingent show up then wait for the next one. (Or actually the one's before it i suppose.. think Burt & Jeff are both planning launches )

My numbers should be fairly solid, for everyone who doesn't want to fly Fed there's a person who doesn't like the Kzin interface.
Neither are coaltion races, neither races ships handle or fly like any coaltion race. I assume the Klinks will (may) largely fly Kzin
I assume the Hydrans will largely fly Fed, I assume the Lyrans will split, I asume the other 5 or 6 plyers will split up also.

In any event I can only try, (and trick DH into hosting another )
If anyone feels it's a waste of their time they really don't have to play.
(All the more CVA's for me..)

<snicker> 47 years.. oh my..

What's to take offence about?  I'm passing on observations I have made, being the Fed nutter of late.  Not including your last server, as I realise you had RL issues, you haven't shown your face hardly on an actual server in a long enough to say otherwise. Play. don't play. Yep that's fair. It's your baby. You also haven't been online when the other side starts asking why they don't have a decent supply of victims. Actually the only time that I have seen you put much time in actually playing on a server in recent history, was your first. Get offended when the Leafs win and you actually have been online enough to have some valid perspective to counter mine.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

As long as I don't have to fly Klingon.

P.S. Make it a 2v2 Server, like Four Powers War or K L vs F Z or K L vs F H.

This sounds better.

[TraumaTech]

we had 47 people show up for the first night of KCW.  we can still drum up players for a big event, keeping their interest in a server after the initial kickoff is what eludes me.

That said, I think we need a little more variety in the next seriosu campaing than a 2 races server.

i agree   especially as my favourite race is not included in any of those senarios.......I WANT MY ESG'S  :p

PS   LOL @ toronto

[Hexx]

"There's not enough left of anyone to do anything really interesting" 

That's a copout. As Kreug pointed out a few months ago, the alliance signs up and the coalition shows up. Whatever you do and I appreciate that you actually want to do something, you need to give some serious thought to what the numbers might be under your scenarios. Creating servers that you know going in are likely to be blowouts, won't help maintain an active player base.

I doubt think many great songs get sung about conquering AI...

I'm far to terribly amused by the Leafs getting blown out tonight to take offence to this (hehe Hockey fans read some of the stories being written by TO media
"Well 47 years ago the Toronto Maple Leafs managed a late season surge to get into the playoffs.. so there's a history there for this team making it.." <sigh> literally too funny for words.
47 years ago..history..Ahhh amusing, (hehe ) anyway where was I...

Ah yes

Play. don't play. If I get the server up all are welcome, if you feel you can't possibly have fun on a server that doesn't (or might not) have a large Fed contingent show up then wait for the next one. (Or actually the one's before it i suppose.. think Burt & Jeff are both planning launches )

My numbers should be fairly solid, for everyone who doesn't want to fly Fed there's a person who doesn't like the Kzin interface.
Neither are coaltion races, neither races ships handle or fly like any coaltion race. I assume the Klinks will (may) largely fly Kzin
I assume the Hydrans will largely fly Fed, I assume the Lyrans will split, I asume the other 5 or 6 plyers will split up also.

In any event I can only try, (and trick DH into hosting another )
If anyone feels it's a waste of their time they really don't have to play.
(All the more CVA's for me..)

<snicker> 47 years.. oh my..

What's to take offence about?  I'm passing on observations I have made, being the Fed nutter of late.  Not including your last server, as I realise you had RL issues, you haven't shown your face hardly on an actual server in a long enough to say otherwise. Play. don't play. Yep that's fair. It's your baby. You also haven't been online when the other side starts asking why they don't have a decent supply of victims. Actually the only time that I have seen you put much time in actually playing on a server in recent history, was your first. Get offended when the Leafs win and you actually have been online enough to have some valid perspective to counter mine.

I'm always offended when anyonce challenges my ideas.. don't be silly.

And I know the Feds have had issues getting peeps out lately, in fact the only race that doesn't tend to have issues is the Klingons, and well the Lyrans aren't bad either I'd say.
That being said- and stated above by you, I fail to see how a server involving Klinks would work out better ..

Is the idea that
1) Kzin and Fed won't work because everyone would fly against Feds
2) Klinks & Lyrans vs Feds & someone would work better because all those coaltion players that were going to fly
    againts the Feds under idea one will now fly..against the Feds..??

The above isn't meant to be sarcastic  I do want to know how othre players see this, I can't really understand what's the difference
between the two, other than you take away the seemingly most popular option(s) (Klinks, and arguably Lyrans)
To me- a 4 powers war would worsen the gap between player numbers that you're concerned with.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

~ Kzin vs Hydran

Only if you have a big map, no disengagement rule, and unlimited choice of ships allowed to fleet three ships.

Why?

Just to see how fast we can make t00l have a total mental breakdown 

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"PS   LOL @ toronto"

Ottawa must be breathing a sigh of relief. Not having to deal with the Leafs upsetting them once again in the playoffs. Maybe a new team that has been dominated by the Sens in the regular season will kick their butts in place of the Leafs. 

[Hexx]

OK, seeing as there's no one in the store, I have a minute here...

~ I am more than happy to create some crazy scenario with any of the Western power
   races involved. (Those scum sucking eastern powers can get their own advocates)

~ I know player balance numbers are a concern, hence the idea that if we remove all the coaltion  
   powers , numbers might balance out better. (Oh that's right, Hexx is much smarter than all of you)
   (put together, even if you use external brain packs..)
  
~ Four Powers doesn't achieve that, any "normal" Alliiance vs Coaltion fight doesn't achieve that
  
~ Anything I do run will have some sort of rule prohibiting flying capital ships with other races ships
   It will also have individual race VP conditions, Anything using "side/alliance" VP conditions is dumb

~ It will have fighters (fighters r cool )

~ it will hae.. hmm actually just had another brainstorm, more later. (I know you'll be waiting breathlessly)

[Hexx]

"PS   LOL @ toronto"

Ottawa must be breathing a sigh of relief. Not having to deal with the Leafs upsetting them once again in the playoffs. Maybe a new team that has been dominated by the Sens in the regular season will kick their butts in place of the Leafs. 

I am actually concerned frickin Boston might somehow possibly squeak in... 

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"Is the idea that
1) Kzin and Fed won't work because everyone would fly against Feds
2) Klinks & Lyrans vs Feds & someone would work better because all those coaltion players that were going to fly
    againts the Feds under idea one will now fly..against the Feds..??"

If you pick option two, the Feds side has a chance to pick up some support. There are those who aren't that comfortable flying fed who would fly Mirak/Kzinti or Hydran. You could also enquire as to how comfortable the klngons would be with a K vs. F & M. That might generate more balanced activity.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"PS   LOL @ toronto"

Ottawa must be breathing a sigh of relief. Not having to deal with the Leafs upsetting them once again in the playoffs. Maybe a new team that has been dominated by the Sens in the regular season will kick their butts in place of the Leafs. 

I am actually concerned frickin Boston might somehow possibly squeak in... 

What you talkin' about Willis?     The Bruins are 10 points back of 8th with about a dozen games left. Unless Atlanta and Montreals' planes crash, Boston and Toronto will be golfing shortly. I'd put money on the panthers making it before the Bruins. I think I have 2 cents laying around.

[Hexx]

I know it's all but impossible, but those damn Bostonians are about the only team in the East with a winning record vs the Sens..

I don't understand it either

[Soreyes]

~ Kzin vs Hydran

Only if you have a big map, no disengagement rule, and unlimited choice of ships allowed to fleet three ships.

Why?

Just to see how fast we can make t00l have a total mental breakdown 

WOW Three ship fleets.  Hmmmmmmm  Soreyes controlling a three ship squadron of Z-DF's

[Hexx]

we had 47 people show up for the first night of KCW.  we can still drum up players for a big event, keeping their interest in a server after the initial kickoff is what eludes me.

That said, I think we need a little more variety in the next seriosu campaing than a 2 races server.

Actually missed this earlier..

We will have something with a little more variety , we have Burt's Pirate Thingy coming up, and I believe
Jeff mentioned something about Storm Season 3 (or is it 2...) also believe Dizzy mentioned another Slave Girls server (though I'm not sure if he meant he was actually working on it or not)

Or maybe we could do Operation Cavalry, which never really got off the ground..

Oh and one of hte main reasons for the 47 peeps and the initial rush was Chuut's (and other's) recruiting of
old timer players.
The inability to keep everyone interested was due to poor server setup.

I do learn from my mistakes. (I make so few of them it's easy to)

[FPF-DieHard]

Ever notice how canucks can be fighting, and a hockey game breaks out?

[NuclearWessels]

...

I am actually concerned frickin Boston might somehow possibly squeak in... 

<sigh>  I wish.  Tough times for Bruin fans (though it was cool to have Neely at the Giants game here a couple of weeks back.)

dave

[GDA-Agave]

Ever notice how canucks can be fighting, and a hockey game breaks out?

That's almost as bad as a Dynaverse thread turning into a hockey discussion.   


Back on topic.   A 2v2 server would be great.   I would like to see the races include both non-plasma and plasma on both sides.  Example F, G vs K, R.   Any mix of races would do. (even the ISC  )  Let's just include some plasma races since the last few servers have been centered in the Western empires.   Come on!!  Ya know ya wanna!!

PLASMA CHUCKERS UNITE!!!

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Gorns are the least represented race of late. Sorry, but true. 3 legitimate Gorns are the best that I have seen on a server in a long time. You need klingons willing to fly as roms and feds flying as gorn.

[Dfly]

I know not everyone was happy with the wild goose system but it did what it was designed to do.  Could we not use this with Feds vs Klinks?    Also, since I would normally fly any race other than Fed, I would want to be Klink but I also know there is no numbers in Feds anymore so I would fly Feds just for that  reason.  Perhaps there would be a few other pilots out there that would be willing to fly Feds for say 2 weeks.  I know the Mirror Mirror had a lot of peops fly Feds that normally dont.  If you are trying to make numbers more in line with a 4 way, try FED_ROM vs KLINK_GORN.  not a usual pairing, but numbers may be closer to each other.

[Hexx]

How did a thread involving my genius and hockey get turned into some wannbe lovin for the plasma boys?
Not to say anything's wrong with plasma.. but maybe if you can't develop a Heavy Weapon that moves faster than spd 36
you should stick to crocheting pillow covers there momma's boy.


Anyway, ideas, thoughts..

~ I like the idea of the Kzin/Fed server. I'm not sure I like the idea of another 4 powers war server. Mainly because I (personally) had
   wanted to center the heavy units around the Carriers groups. No other race, and certainly no other two races can match Kzin & Fed
   pre 80. Still it's kinda pointless to build a server that only a few will fly on so I'll think about it, maybe I can think of something.
  (F-14's for Lyrans might be the answer I guess...)

~ I'd like to also do an "OPAndro" invasion server. I'm pretty comvinced we can't do Andro's right of course but fitted out with tons of
   those beam weapon things and lots of labs + sat ships I thinkw e could get close. Server would essentially be a C vs A server, with a pre selected number
   of pilots from each side running the Andro's attacking the other side. Also thought of a kinda Operation Unity idea where the two sides are "allies" but racing
   to see who can hack through to the Andros Mag clouds base first. Again pilots from the Opposite coaltion would fly the Andros

~ Still have plans for Op Cav (if I can ever convince DH to stop snivelling about no unlimited Fed DNH's)
   Essentially it's morphed from whatver it was before (like I remember) to a Ca based server with very strict OOB on the Heavy Metal
   Server would center around Klink/Feds, but other races would have their expeditionary fleets around.
   Basiclly along the same idea as KCW, the big ships would be set up in accounts before the server started, once it's lost in battle it's gone for good
   There would be BP's for different replacement ships, Not by any means alot of bok keeping, but thre would be some.
   This would likely be a 1week (maybe 2, doubt it) server as again tech progression would be limited.
   Or I suppose it could run as a longer " 5 year mission" along the Fed/Klink border.. hmmm

[NuclearWessels]

Ever notice how canucks can be fighting, and a hockey game breaks out?

That's almost as bad as a Dynaverse thread turning into a hockey discussion.   
...

Well alrightee then, I guess we'll just have to blend the two ... what would a dyna hockey game look like?

Seems to me the pre-PF Gorn would make good Broadstreet Bullies, and the fusion-era Hydrans would make a good trapping team (a real pain if you have to take the fight to them) ...

hmmmm ... going to have to think about this

dave

[Hexx]

It's obvious the Lyrans would be the Sens, an all round excellent team with few flaws.Dangerous in almost any siruation

Feds would have to be the Leafs, a number of over the hill players who still reminisce about their glory days

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

The Sens? That's the team who can never advance in the playoffs when they run into the leafs, post season.  Hopefully the Ottawa trainors are ready to employ the heimlich maneuver when the Sens start choking in the playoffs. 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

It's obvious the Lyrans would be the Sens, an all round excellent team with few flaws.Dangerous in almost any siruation

Feds would have to be the Leafs, a number of over the hill players who still reminisce about their glory days

Somehow thinking of the combination of Canadians, Hockey, Lyrans, and the Dynaverse gives me a slightly different picture......



 

[GDA-S'Cipio]

"Is the idea that
1) Kzin and Fed won't work because everyone would fly against Feds
2) Klinks & Lyrans vs Feds & someone would work better because all those coaltion players that were going to fly
    againts the Feds under idea one will now fly..against the Feds..??"

If you pick option two, the Feds side has a chance to pick up some support. There are those who aren't that comfortable flying fed who would fly Mirak/Kzinti or Hydran. You could also enquire as to how comfortable the klngons would be with a K vs. F & M. That might generate more balanced activity.

Maybe Hexx should run one of his famous polls on the Fed/Kzin server idea.  I don't think it would automatically be one-sided.  I can't imagine that the Feds wouldn't pick up a lot of players in that one.   I'd certainly fly Fed for it.  Other typical Lyran, Hydran, Gorn, and Romulan might as well.

If you make it one of the early Fed/Kzin wars, the Kzin won't even have to bother turning off their disruptors.   

-S'Cipio

[GDA-S'Cipio]

Gorns are the least represented race of late. Sorry, but true. 3 legitimate Gorns are the best that I have seen on a server in a long time. You need klingons willing to fly as roms and feds flying as gorn.

This has been true lately, but it isn't necesarily relevant in a server with limited race selections.  In servers where players are allowed to "race whore" you see quite a lot of Gorn for limited amounts of time, as the situation calls for it.   The same is true for all the races.

If the Alliance choice is Fed/Gorn, you'll likely see more Gorn than you would in an 8 race game.


-S'Cipio

[Hexx]

... I forgot all about being able to set up polls... new one coming in a second!

My concern at the moment with the mixed race servers is simply the fact that all of you
snivelling wretches have taken to flying mixed fleets, combining wgatver two best ships you can get.
You can make rules about it, but when it comes down to it on the server you're going to
have situations where t00l and DH (names completely picked at random) just happen to accidenetly draft each other time and time again when they're not supposed to.

That and I'm obsessed with carrier tactics atm, and really the Lyrans and Klinks don't stack up well until 80ish.

[FPF-AJTK]

The Dread Pirate Hexx? When did they install a booster seat on the poop deck?

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Dread? I thought it said dead.....

[RazalYllib]

I'll kick a dime's worth into the topic, perhaps we are looking at it wrong...what if was pirate only and some manner of "public" input into the flavors of Pirate ships available through the use of new shiplist. Get your copy of SFB ruleset and SSD and come up with better configurations...2 v 2 w/ preselected ships so every one gets a chance to use their fave toy as option mount.  

[762_XC]

Hydrans do NOT trap !!!!!!!!!111!! 

We are all about forechecking and puck pursuit.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Especially the forechecking!!! 

Got to love it when they see their feet!

*and a good boarding once in a while, just to let them know who is in charge!*

[KBF MalaK]

How 'bout something totally off-the-wall,
like cardies vs. Hydrans
Gorn vs. Hydrans
ISC vs. both of 'em

Just eliminate the 'common' races, lets fly something we'd never 'normally' fly.
NO Feds, Klinks, or Roms.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

MIrak versus Lyrans.......

[Hexx]

How 'bout something totally off-the-wall,
like cardies vs. Hydrans
Gorn vs. Hydrans
ISC vs. both of 'em

Just eliminate the 'common' races, lets fly something we'd never 'normally' fly.
NO Feds, Klinks, or Roms.

No Cardies.....

MIrak versus Lyrans.......

Something I've wanted to do for a long time... but is one of the more massively imbalanced
hex flipping times around.. plus Mirak stink in PVP (and ..well anywhere else of couse but...)

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

How 'bout something totally off-the-wall,
like cardies vs. Hydrans
Gorn vs. Hydrans
ISC vs. both of 'em

Just eliminate the 'common' races, lets fly something we'd never 'normally' fly.
NO Feds, Klinks, or Roms.

No Cardies.....

MIrak versus Lyrans.......

Something I've wanted to do for a long time... but is one of the more massively imbalanced
hex flipping times around.. plus Mirak stink in PVP (and ..well anywhere else of couse but...)

Should I take the bait on mirak stinking at PvP? I think KHH could show you a thing or 2. I already have, but the efforts of your mind to heal itself have erased that trauma.

[Hexx]

How 'bout something totally off-the-wall,
like cardies vs. Hydrans
Gorn vs. Hydrans
ISC vs. both of 'em

Just eliminate the 'common' races, lets fly something we'd never 'normally' fly.
NO Feds, Klinks, or Roms.

No Cardies.....

MIrak versus Lyrans.......

Something I've wanted to do for a long time... but is one of the more massively imbalanced
hex flipping times around.. plus Mirak stink in PVP (and ..well anywhere else of couse but...)

Should I take the bait on mirak stinking at PvP? I think KHH could show you a thing or 2. I already have, but the efforts of your mind to heal itself have erased that trauma.

The only thing KHH's ever shown me is they know how to run at spd 31 firing drones at you, don't think I've ever lost to one in an even ship match..
Actually (iirc) I've never lost to anyone in an even ship match, so really nothing against them.

And the only trauma I can recall from any fights with you was the lockjaw I got from yawning so much, really I can appreciate the spirit, but we both know a
Mirak-Lyran war would result in complete and utter humiliation of the Kzin players, and really- isn't flying Kzin in the first place humiliation enough?

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Do you ever stop your blathering? For entertainment do you sit around listening to recordings of yourself? KHH won a ladder league title flying mirak a few years ago before ladder league numbers started to drop. You were my 1st kill flying mirak, Mr hotshot. Maybe your lockjaw yawning explains why you died in 6 minutes in that fancy CWLP various people posted at the time,was such a great ship.
Moggy lasted twice as long as you did and was the embodiment of perfect conduct, complimenting me on being a worthy opponent. You could use some lessons from him. I for one have had enough of your act. It is an act isn't it? Sigh.

[Father Ted]

"PS   LOL @ toronto"

Ottawa must be breathing a sigh of relief. Not having to deal with the Leafs upsetting them once again in the playoffs. Maybe a new team that has been dominated by the Sens in the regular season will kick their butts in place of the Leafs. 

I am actually concerned frickin Boston might somehow possibly squeak in... 

What you talkin' about Willis?     The Bruins are 10 points back of 8th with about a dozen games left. Unless Atlanta and Montreals' planes crash, Boston and Toronto will be golfing shortly. I'd put money on the panthers making it before the Bruins. I think I have 2 cents laying around.

Who cares? Isn't the NFL draft coming up?

[Father Ted]

It's obvious the Lyrans would be the Sens, an all round excellent team with few flaws.Dangerous in almost any siruation

Feds would have to be the Leafs, a number of over the hill players who still reminisce about their glory days

Somehow thinking of the combination of Canadians, Hockey, Lyrans, and the Dynaverse gives me a slightly different picture......



 

Next to "Animal House" and "Caddyshack", quite possibly the funniest movie ever made....

PS "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" is in a league all its own....

[Hexx]

I'd like to point out that I do have my (minor) faults.
For instance I can't even remember the number of players I've killed in PVP, let alone who my first was flying
such and such a race, but I guess if they're few and far between it is likely a little easier .
And modestly I must confess I don't consider myself to the best PVP'r, I fully admit I've never managed to kill
DH .. and honestly I think I'm about the only one...

Still , perhaps in your delusional, jelaousy- filled ravings you have managed to hit upon a good  idea for a server

Lyran vs  Kzin might work, just have to see if we can get anyone to show up.

[Hexx]

I'll kick a dime's worth into the topic, perhaps we are looking at it wrong...what if was pirate only and some manner of "public" input into the flavors of Pirate ships available through the use of new shiplist. Get your copy of SFB ruleset and SSD and come up with better configurations...2 v 2 w/ preselected ships so every one gets a chance to use their fave toy as option mount.  

Missed this one sorry

~ You're thinking of Herr Burt's server, he's the pirate guy.

I just have a cool title

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"For instance I can't even remember the number of players I've killed in PVP, let alone who my first was flying
such and such a race, but I guess if they're few and far between it is likely a little easier ."

Uh, yeah...It was only easy to remember killing you, as being fairly new to dyna, I thought the number of your posts here and your chest thumping therein meant that you were actually a good pilot. So much for name recognition.  I knew Moggy was because people other than him posted such. The same can't be said for you.

[Dfly]

Lyran vs Kzinty, I guarantee FSD would be there for the Lyrans.

[RazalYllib]

Not entirely brother hex...what I implied, was a limited playable shiplist...others would be restricted...ie 3-5 configurations of each from Escort to Heavy Cruiser only as playable (no cheese of any sort)--- a sort of generica concept getting away from the commen situation where the biggest cheese wins...skill with a generic line ship kinda sorta set up w/ all kinds of interesting, but unspecified campaign objectives for Victory Points (unspecified but you get the idea) All on a fairly small map and higher than recent DV. Hexes should be hard to flip....it should take a concerted effort. But Hex flipping decisions should be strategic in nature.

[Bonk]

Ease up there Dax, Hexx should not be taken too seriously, he's just havin a little fun. You have to understand, his own PvP reputation is less than sparkling, its been a running joke for some time now. Lighten up and remember to have fun. 

Everytime I see this thread I get the Zep song stuck in my head:

 

What is and what should never be

And if I say to you tomorrow,
Take my hand, child, come with me.
It’s to a castle I will take you,
Where what’s to be, they say will be.

*catch the wind, see us spin,
Sail away, leave today,
Way up high in the sky.
But the wind won’t blow,
You really shouldn’t go,
It only goes to show
That you will be mine
By takin’ our time. ooh!

And if you say to me tomorrow,
Oh what fun it all would be,
Then what’s to stop us, pretty baby,
But what is and what should never be.

* chorus

So if you wake up with the sunrise,
And all your dreams are still as new,
And happiness is what you need so bad,
Girl, the answer lies with you, yeah.

* chorus

Hey, oh
Oh the wind wont blow and we really shouldn’t go
And it only goes to show-ow-ow.
Catch the wind, we’re gonna see it spin
We’re gonna...sail, little girl
Do do do, bop bop a do-oh
My my my my my my yeah
Everybody I know seems to know me well
--but does anybody know I’m gonna move like hell
--but they’re never gonna know cause I move like hell.
(pick one...heh)

 

Gotta go dig that album out...

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

I don't understand Hexx and I don't want to. Bye-bye.

[Hexx]

I don't understand Hexx and I don't want to. Bye-bye.

<sniff> No one gets me... 

[FPF-DieHard]

New server idea . . .

CANUCK CIVIL WAR!!!

In all seriousness, Lyran versus Mirak works out fine as long as BCHs ae treated the same as DNs as far as OOB is concered.

[NuclearWessels]

New server idea . . .

CANUCK CIVIL WAR!!!

Whooo hoooo! 

Skiers versus Snowboarders, Hockey versus Lacrosse, Tim Hortons versus Robbins, or the entire country versus Celine Dion fans?

(Of course, anything with Lyrans sounds great to me -- All Hail The Mighty Overlord Hexx!^{That check is in the mail, right Hexx?})

dave

[Riskyllama]

so what do all us Americani do while you guys toss around enough hot air to warm the place up to a resonable temperature?

[NuclearWessels]

Doesn't that weird steroid game start play sometime soon?     

dave

[Hexx]

New server idea . . .

In all seriousness, Lyran versus Mirak works out fine as long as BCHs ae treated the same as DNs as far as OOB is concered.

WHOAH!

Let's not get all crazy now.. have you read the SFB history stuff?
The BCPP is a "battlecruiser" much like the D7 is a "battlecruiser", it's not a "Heavy Battle Cruiser"
If you read the ship history it's bascially a light cruiser with a few additions added to it.
in fact if you read the write up about it I believe it's described as not being a Dreadnaught but actually a "very big" cruiser.

Sides it should be fair, the Mirak have the Best Frigate (DF) , we have the Best "big" cruiser.


Sure they'd be expensive (thinking 9k or so) but really no reason to restricit them