Topic: Do you have what it takes to be HardCore? (Read 8218 times)

FA Frey XC · « **on:** March 02, 2006, 07:04:53 pm »

XenoCorp Strategic Simulations in concert with Firesoul are proud to announce :

This revisitation of the classic OP Plus 4.0 finally allows players who wanted a realistic production shiplist to have it their way!

What's different? All the tugs, scouts, and other ships that were included for the sake of completeness in the original OP Plus 4.0 are now removed. This is a lean, mean fighting machine shiplist based on what would have been available during the General War / Federation & Empire era's in SFB. No more relying on uber ships to win a match, now you've got to have the skilz to be HARDCORE.

ftp://www.dynaverse.net/sfc2_op/Mods/XC_MOD_PACKS/opplus_40_hc_setup.exe

The full readme is attached.

File size is 340KB. (Requires OP+ 4)

Tus-XC · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2006, 04:34:47 pm »

well its friday.....

Sirgod · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2006, 05:29:28 pm »

One time on a Bar beat, I put out a Cigar with my Bellybutton? That hard Corp enough for ya Frey?

Seriously, I know where this is going, and It's going to be Cool.

Stephen

762_XC · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2006, 05:44:43 pm »

SssshhshshshshhshhhhH!

Sirgod · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2006, 06:02:46 pm »

Oh I won't tell. I just hope the group is Prepared for the Comfy Chair... Damn! I did It again.

Nobody Expects the...

Stephen

762_XC · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2006, 07:10:26 pm »

Biggles! Fetch...the CUSHIONS!

stoneyface · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2006, 10:00:19 pm »

well. the release is finally here! now the rest of you can download this shiplist and see why we in the XC have been giggling maniacly for the last couple of weeks! we've been having a lot of fun with this hardcore shiplist. it makes OP fun again in a whole new way. it definately puts the emphasis back on technique and strategy!

yay!

thanks to firesoul for working with this and thanks to my fleetmates for letting me test this with them

now download this and meet us in gamespy for a REAL game!!!

Messiah · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2006, 11:18:59 pm »

Do i need to have a mod switcher for this? I don't have one right now

Oh... and will this be taking effect on the UAW & other servers?

762_XC · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2006, 11:21:47 pm »

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163365074.0.html

Messiah · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2006, 11:38:01 pm »

The thing is, i've already installed UAW w/o backing anything up.... I wasn't going to go back to vanilla OP when I've got something like UAW

762_XC · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2006, 11:57:23 pm »

Well, it's easy then, assuming UAW has an uninstall.

1) Copy OP folder, rename to UAW
2) Uninstall UAW - this leaves you with what? Stock or 4.0
3) Do whatever

If UAW doesnt have an uninstall (which would be p00py), you can always uninstall the game and start from scratch.

Messiah · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2006, 12:23:42 am »

Oh wait... all those batch files, can those change it back to regular OP? What is regular OP? 4.0?

Chris Jones · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2006, 08:26:32 am »

Quote from: imdahman on March 04, 2006, 12:23:42 am

Oh wait... all those batch files, can those change it back to regular OP? What is regular OP? 4.0?

The batch files bring you back to any version of OP you want - 2552 (CD patched) or 4.0 (which many consider regular). I may add a batch file for the new Hardcore shiplist as well. There's no need to uninstall anything. UAW Operates independently of all other mods and respects all other mods at the same time. You ought to see how many different shiplists I have available on a moment's notice. If you need any help with UAW just ask..

Sirgod · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2006, 09:13:48 am »

You do know, You have to be able to quote Python for the Download to work.

hey where the hell is our Bard Hstapath? he would love this my friends.

Stephen

AngryAndorian · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2006, 01:09:19 pm »

There's a problem with the mod that seems to remove all sounds except the music from the game. Anybody know how to fix this?

busta191 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2006, 08:15:33 pm »

Does this mod need to be updated to the 2552 patch first?

762_XC · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2006, 09:46:59 pm »

Pretty much everything does. If you are not up to 2.5.5.2 you cannot do any multiplayer at all.

Age · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2006, 06:00:58 pm »

Very Nice except one thing and that is one ship is missing F-GSCX from the Advanced area anyway yeah I never got my voices either had to extract them.I was wondering if you could make a small patch for that missing ship?Thanks:)

Pestalence_XC · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2006, 10:29:43 pm »

Quote from: Age on March 07, 2006, 06:00:58 pm

Very Nice except one thing and that is one ship is missing F-GSCX from the Advanced area anyway yeah I never got my voices either had to extract them.I was wondering if you could make a small patch for that missing ship?Thanks:)

Age, in the OP Hardcore, all X ships Orions and I think Freighters have either been removed or set with 999 BPV so that they can not be selected... check the file listed above to see what has been removed.. I did an OP + v4.0 to OP + v4.0 Hardcore comparrison. The list above is what the results of that comparrison provided.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 09, 2006, 03:52:42 am »

I don't get it, what is the advantage of using this "Hardcore" 4.0 list compared to regular 4.0?

Pestalence_XC · « **Reply #20 on:** March 09, 2006, 03:07:26 pm »

Quote from: Magnum357 on March 09, 2006, 03:52:42 am

I don't get it, what is the advantage of using this "Hardcore" 4.0 list compared to regular 4.0?

It removes the X ships, Orions, Tugs, And so forth. Basically it is mainly line ships. The advantage is that players can not select "by accident" an X ship in any given era, thus forcing a more strategy based mission where skill counts over having a overall better ship. for example, someone takes a CB and another takes a CX, both ships are relatively the same, except the CX has 48 power, the CB 38, the CB has 12 PH 1s, the CX has 12 PH X.. the CX has a clear advantage.. OP Hardcore levels the playing field by removing the CX for selectability. Thus a player would have to select a CB instead of a CX given the example above. Eliminates the "accidental" selection of X tech in a ship.

Basiclally is limits OP to Line Ships mostly.

Age · « **Reply #21 on:** March 09, 2006, 03:41:40 pm »

The F-CX and the rest of the X ships are still in it like that Killer Klingon ship the K-DxDm.Pestalence please reply to your PMs.thanks.

_Rondo_GE The OutLaw · « **Reply #22 on:** March 09, 2006, 05:59:29 pm »

Quote from: Age on March 09, 2006, 03:41:40 pm

The F-CX and the rest of the X ships are still in it like that Killer Klingon ship the K-DxDm.Pestalence please reply to your PMs.thanks.

What it does is move the X1 (CCX style ships) and X2 (XCA style ships) ships together into ADVANCED. While this is not perfect fix (the game needs another ERA basically) it is a better solution than putting the X1 ships in Late Era which had the potential to imblalance the most popular ERA of play...late.

ADV will still be advanced and if you want an X1 ship match just say X1.

By the way I think the Fed CB has 10 phaser 1's and far less shielding than the CX.

762_XC · « **Reply #23 on:** March 09, 2006, 07:45:27 pm »

You guys need to understand what 4.0 is and what Hardcore is.

4.0 was Firesoul's attempt to get every singe ship that was published in SFB literature into an SFC shiplist. Balanced or not, if it's in an SFB publication, it's in there.

This includes limited deployment (read: rare) ships, unique ships, conjectural (read: never built) ships, etc. As many have observed, and FS himself has acknowledged, 4.0 is not always balanced for game play. Rather, it is a complete and exhaustive library of whatever has been published in SFB.

The problem with that is as a general use shiplist it includes stuff which was rarely or never flown in the future history of the General War. A lot of these ships are overused on GSA, as they are great ships for their BPV but not really balanced in comparison to line ships which made up the bulk of the forces which fought during the GW. Certain battle tugs and heavy war destroyers make great examples.

Hardcore eliminates some of these classes and instead highlights the ships which actually would have been historically flown. So now at 130 late you will be facing light cruisers instead of some cheesy HDW. At 200 mid you will be facing an early dreadnought instead of an overpowered battle tug. (Battle tugs in particular were extremely rare, since tugs were much more valuable to build/upgrade/repair bases, resupply/repair fleets, etc.)

So if you are looking for maximum cheese at every possible BPV then hardcore is probably not for you. If you want a fair and challenging fight at every BPV where pilot skill matters more than cheese selection, than Hardcore probably IS for you.

FA Frey XC · « **Reply #24 on:** March 09, 2006, 08:23:05 pm »

Quote from: AngryAndorian on March 04, 2006, 01:09:19 pm

There's a problem with the mod that seems to remove all sounds except the music from the game. Anybody know how to fix this?

Humm, the HC shiplist doesn't do anything to the sfcsounds.zip.

I've installed, uninstalled, installed, uninstalled, installed, uninstalled, etc. etc. and have yet to reproduce this issue.

Can someone that is having this issue, or can reproduce it, send me their sfc.ini via PM?

All the sounds, music, etc. are contained in a non-compressed ZIP file in the \sounds folder.

To update them you must actually overwrite the existing sounds in the zip.

Age · « **Reply #25 on:** March 10, 2006, 03:46:56 pm »

Yeah there are 10 phaser 1s in the CB not 12 as the other 2 are phaser 3s.

DIFJosh · « **Reply #26 on:** March 13, 2006, 09:49:06 am »

hmmm... so can anyone remake a ship list?
like can we take 2552 shiplist and streamline it to our needs at CUGS?
Remember you heard it here first from your SFC Community Angel

DIFJosh

762_XC · « **Reply #27 on:** March 13, 2006, 10:24:09 am »

Hardcore was done by Firesoul, as was 4.0. If you're going to base anything off 4.0 then I would get his permission first.

If you want to base it off of stock, then I would say go for it.

DIFJosh · « **Reply #28 on:** March 14, 2006, 03:02:50 pm »

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Remember you heard it here first from your SFC Community Angel
DIFJosh

FA Frey XC · « **Reply #29 on:** May 02, 2006, 10:13:30 pm »

BUMPICUS MAXIMUS

Hstaphath_XC · « **Reply #30 on:** May 09, 2006, 10:16:45 am »

Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on March 04, 2006, 09:13:48 am

You do know, You have to be able to quote Python for the Download to work.

hey where the hell is our Bard Hstapath? he would love this my friends.

Stephen

Well, this explains it... late one night/early one morning while staying up with my newborn daughter Jadzia (born 03/09/06) I felt a strange tremor in the force... my fleetmates were quoting Monty Python again and I wasn't there.

762_XC · « **Reply #31 on:** May 11, 2006, 10:08:14 am »

You would have loved it when we did the spam skit on TeamSpeak Hsta.

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