Topic: SFC: F&E Rule debate #3 (Read 1920 times)

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **on:** March 07, 2006, 07:50:38 am »

What races to include?

So far, with this set as a F&E general war scenario, the ISC would not be part of it.

Is this what we want?

We will have the Feds, Klinks, Kzinti, g0rn, Roms, Lyrans, and Hydrans, but I would like to add the LDR, WYN, and Orions as an ADMIN run set of organizations.

That way, those of us running this thing can have some fun too.

Comments? Complaints?

Skaren · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2006, 07:57:51 am »

I would suggest the game must be built around the number of players interested, you should not build the game and then try to fill it with players.

I would love to see those races in the game, if we have the bods to do it.

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2006, 08:14:15 am »

Actually, I don't think it will matter right now.

The greatest challenge will be to get the rule set down.

The number of races is just a matter of scale.... The ruleset won't change with the scale of the game.

Skaren · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2006, 08:21:47 am »

I agree with those who run it should have some fun, so no complaints there.

I am looking forward to the rules set, that will be a lot of work for you, a job I don't envy !!

I don't know you personally and hope that should you run those races, that you try not to always side with the long time friends you have, who will be playing.

I will put my blind trust into you.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2006, 08:28:28 am »

No ISC thanks.

762_XC · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2006, 10:04:18 am »

Galactic races only. Adding the others will not be worth the extra work.

Skaren · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2006, 10:31:10 am »

Your missing the point

The ref who is putting in a lot of work wants to be able to run a minor race. He wants those minor races so he can pull some enjoyment in playing also.

"Not worth the work", what are smoking man,.. that makes the work load worth it,... to the ref !!!

Jeez,.. maybe cause I ref a lot I understand this

anyone else out there,.. you ever bust ass putting together a campaign, all for the crap players give you when they whine about this or that,.. it is a job with a lot of work, few rewards and little glory, done by someone mostly for our enjoyment.

I vote if the ref wants em in they should be allowed.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2006, 11:11:42 am »

I can imagine the effort required to create and run a campaign and I appreciate that there are those who will do it, but don't go on an admins are god, Dizzy-like rant when the invitation for input was made when the question 'what races" was asked and responses were made. It seems you have missed the point.

Skaren · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2006, 12:05:39 pm »

I do not consider that a rant, but at your request I will try to rant less in the future.

My thought was and still is the addition of those races is sorta at the ref's request so that he may enjoy the interaction and campaign fun on a small nation scale.

When the other person says that is too much work it makes me think he did not read the post or at least did not understand it. That is work the ref wants to do, not work the ref is burdened to do.

There can be plenty of reasons for not wanting those races, even I listed one, but that reason seems,... well I will leave it there, I do not want to rant

As far as "Admins are gods", I am not sure where you got that and,.... well again I don't want to rant, so I will leave it alone.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2006, 12:10:59 pm »

Admins are god rants refers to previous admin discussions, prior to your arrival here. I also have no problem if the admin/ref wants to add something for his pleasure. It just seemed that you didn't like a response or two when input had been requested. Reponses will vary and not always please everyone.

Skaren · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2006, 12:18:19 pm »

Ya your right and I have also seen folks get pretty heated over posts on other message boards in the past. So it is always wise to remind anyone of being polite, etc.

I reread the post you commented on before posting it,.. and hesitiated about the "What you smokin" comment but left it and hoped that it would be taken in good humor and not offensivly.

I figure too if it bugged him, he could hunt me down in the campaign and kick my butt

I am too new here to understand the Dizzy stuff, and had thought you implied I was thinking gods are ref's.

All cool here.

S

762_XC · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2006, 12:42:16 pm »

The more complicated we try to make this, the less likely it is to ever launch and see the light of day.

Personally I would rather see the overall gameplay enhanced with an F&E-style economy, with repair and logistics factoring in in a reasonably simple way. Adding cheesy non-essential races which don't even translate well to SFC would do nothing for me at all. WYN, pirates and LDR all need special rules to handle them.

If Bear wants to fly WYN for p00ps and giggles that is his prerogative. Personally I think the extra work required would not be worth it.

But that is just mho.

Skaren · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2006, 01:08:40 pm »

True about the extra rules, for those races.

It has been my belief to keep it simple for that very reason, to see it launch

LDR,.. there go Bear

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2006, 04:44:52 pm »

Quote from: Capt_Bearslayer_XC on March 07, 2006, 07:50:38 am

What races to include?

So far, with this set as a F&E general war scenario, the ISC would not be part of it.

Is this what we want?

We will have the Feds, Klinks, Kzinti, g0rn, Roms, Lyrans, and Hydrans, but I would like to add the LDR, WYN, and Orions as an ADMIN run set of organizations.

That way, those of us running this thing can have some fun too.

Comments? Complaints?

*Deposits 2 cents*
Well...Skaren has a point...but, I agree I would love to see another "All Races" server, including some of the lesser races, like the WYN, Tholians, LDR and a mix of pirates.
We did see an impressive number of newer pilots on KCW, more than I expected actually.
Now, if we can keep those same pilots coming back...

Kinda hard to have a firm opinion on this.
While I would love to see and fly some of the lesser race's ships, I'm concerned it will spread the player base too thin, resulting in someone getting over run and annihilated, resulting in players dropping off.

Kinda of a "Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't" thing... $:-\$
Maybe if the "Major" races had the option to use certain "lesser" race's ships also...

Capt_Bearslayer_XC · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2006, 04:57:03 pm »

The LDR will be limited as per its SFB & F&E role.

They will never be able to risk its capital ships that much due to the fact that they will never be able to replace them. (IIRC, they only had the ability to replace FF sized ships)

As for the LDR, I have actually asked Hexx to reprise his role as "Glorious Leader" if they is put into play.

That is b/c I think he can navigate a course to preserve his 'empire' and still tweak the noses of the Hydrans, Klingons, and Lyrans at times.

The WYN and the Orions will NOT be flying any large fleet formations, mainly 1-3 ship operations to raid supply points forcing the empires to do something other than send every ship to a front line. (this will be determined by die rolls which are available on CyberBoard and they would 'steal' economic points' during successful raids)

IE they will be cherry picking.... so you imperial types (and federation/confederation) will have to cover your ASSets.

Dfly · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2006, 06:43:42 pm »

I also done want to see the ISC in this one. Main races only, with perhaps LDR or some such for refs (and Hexx) if they wish. I hate to see the player base too spread out as our base here is still quite small.

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