Topic: Serious question for the modelers....

[KBF-Crim]

Hypothetically speaking...

If you could get your work...even a single model...into an official Star Trek game and get credit for it...

Would you donate one?

Yes or No will suffice...Longer posts are welcome...

[wulf111]

I think it would be extreamly cool to have a model used in an official TREK game i would gladly donate one

[Centurus]

If ever I had a ship that I created myself, from scratch, and not a kitbash, sure, I'd go for it. 

[ModelsPlease]

Sure I'd donate one, as long as everyone involved recieved their proper credits  .

-MP

[MajorRacal]

Most certainly.

Everything I've done has already been donated to the community for free so potential renumeration would make little difference for havinf something included in an official release.

MajorRacal

[Sandman3D]

Sure, that'd be cool!!

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Three cheers for the modders!!   


 You guys rock!!

[KBF-Crim]

Excellent....If I had any modeling skills...I'd feel the same way...

As some of you may have heard....Quicksilver is doing StarTrek Tactical assault for the nintendo hand held...

They have roughly 7 months left of dev time...

They have hinted at doing a PC title in the future...

I'd very much like to see that title be SFC4: Galaxies at War

Steve Cole is receptive to another licensing deal...if they would approach him...

My goal right now is to illustrate that such a product would be profitable...

One aspect of what I have proposed is to make it a duel ruleset title....one set canon(simular to SFC3)...one set SFB based (like SFC1,2, an OP)

Another aspect is to free up dev time and money by using fan donated content...

I was pretty sure that many fans would feel as I do...that so long as proper credit was given and the game was worthy...they would donate a small amount of work to be in an official title...

I'll post the link to the thread that I'm hoping the quicksilver devs will see...

http://startrekforum.stgu.com/showthread.php?t=8243

[OlBuzzard]

sb777 / USS Mako / USS Titan (SBA team version)/ USS Alabama

maybe ...

I'll let you decide 

As long as the sleeping giant that was discussed in a previous thread did not stick his ugly head up.

Note:  the final version of the USS Mako (still wip)/ USS Titan and Alabama have not been released for public use as yet.

[Dizzy]

i WOULD DONATE A BUST OF MY LIKENESS TO BE USED IN ANY SFC GAME. oops caps.

[Centurus]

Excellent....If I had any modeling skills...I'd feel the same way...

As some of you may have heard....Quicksilver is doing StarTrek Tactical assault for the nintendo hand held...

They have roughly 7 months left of dev time...

They have hinted at doing a PC title in the future...

I'd very much like to see that title be SFC4: Galaxies at War

Steve Cole is receptive to another licensing deal...if they would approach him...

My goal right now is to illustrate that such a product would be profitable...

One aspect of what I have proposed is to make it a duel ruleset title....one set canon(simular to SFC3)...one set SFB based (like SFC1,2, an OP)

Another aspect is to free up dev time and money by using fan donated content...

I was pretty sure that many fans would feel as I do...that so long as proper credit was given and the game was worthy...they would donate a small amount of work to be in an official title...

I'll post the link to the thread that I'm hoping the quicksilver devs will see...

http://startrekforum.stgu.com/showthread.php?t=8243

That's actually a very good effort Crim.  I seriously hope that an SFC4 is made, and to have a dual ruleset for both the D2 and D3 communties would help to greatly reunity the SFC community.  I wonder if they'll have 3D flight while still retaining a dynaverse type online play, and the abilities to refit your ships as you like and also be easily moddable.

[KBF-Crim]

Well...all we can do is wave cash at them...if they choose to ignore it...their loss....we still have what we have now...

[Red_Green]

Hmm I don't know. My self, I think I would want some kind of compensation monetary wise, that is if I was an elite modeler, which I am not. I mean if the game developer was making money off of models that were free. It would set a presedent, it might have the effect of lowering what professional modelers might make on their future projects.

You would think that a game developer would want the highest quality models made with the least amount of polies. That should be worth some kind of compensation, just like any other skill in society.

[ModelsPlease]

Hmm I don't know. My self, I think I would want some kind of compensation monetary wise, that is if I was an elite modeler, which I am not. I mean if the game developer was making money off of models that were free. It would set a presedent, it might have the effect of lowering what professional modelers might make on their future projects.

You would think that a game developer would want the highest quality models made with the least amount of polies. That should be worth some kind of compensation, just like any other skill in society.

I'm not sure about that train of thought I mean someone is making money now off of the the SFC, Armada and BC games we all so diligently model for. I see no difference, I mean if our contributions to a new game get us the game we've always wanted I think a few ships are a worthy investment toward achieving that goal.

[intermech]

I would donate any of my Trek models, I am not making money off of them now, I might as well get my name out there, let the model work for me a little bit if not monetarily, then in notariety.

[KBF-Crim]

Hmm I don't know. My self, I think I would want some kind of compensation monetary wise, that is if I was an elite modeler, which I am not. I mean if the game developer was making money off of models that were free. It would set a presedent, it might have the effect of lowering what professional modelers might make on their future projects.

You would think that a game developer would want the highest quality models made with the least amount of polies. That should be worth some kind of compensation, just like any other skill in society.

I'm not sure about that train of thought I mean someone is making money now off of the the SFC, Armada and BC games we all so diligently model for. I see no difference, I mean if our contributions to a new game get us the game we've always wanted I think a few ships are a worthy investment toward achieving that goal.

I was thinking that a couple models included in an official title would look real good on a resume...

Bottom line....and I really dont mean to offend anyone...

Read the SFC EULA...anything created for use in SFC is allready trek property....and could be used without your permission, credit or compensation....

I'm not saying they WOULD do that....only pointing out that the COULD legally do it if they so wished...

Part of the selling point to Bethesda  Red is helping to lower Dev costs through donation of some or most content...

(besides...the models would LOOK better TOO!)

None of this is concrete...this is only a proposal....and no one is asking or demanding that anyone donate anything as of yet...I was only asking if you would..or would not...

As far as I know....including a fan base in development of an officially licensed game title is practically unheard of...

[OlBuzzard]

Read the SFC EULA...anything created for use in SFC is allready trek property....and could be used without your permission, credit or compensation....

yup ...  hence my response considering that two of the models we listed have not been release as yet  ( and one in particular may very not be as yet )

again ....  correct .. and they would have every right to.

As far as I know....including a fan base in development of an officially licensed game title is practically unheard of...

again ...   very good point...

None of this is concrete...this is only a proposal....and no one is asking or demanding that anyone donate anything as of yet...I was only asking if you would..or would not...

depends ...   upon the nomenclature of the game.  If we are looking at another SFB only based game ...   I dunno ..  I would have to really think about it.

You have been straight forward about all of this.  Thanks   ...  I appreciate that.

IF we made a contribution it would be exactly that ...  a contribution ...  not for pay. 

(Heck my stuff is a far cry from either great ...  or popular any ways ... ) 

But ..  as far as the request that you have made.  Seems pretty  straight forward to me.

[Red_Green]

Read the SFC EULA...anything created for use in SFC is allready trek property....and could be used without your permission, credit or compensation....

Yea will if you already knew that then why did you ask the question. It seems to me you asked the question expecting a specific answer. Then if anyone gave an answer you did not desire ,then the forum starts with the bashing in hopes of cowing the person with the undesired opinion into submission. This is the part I always disliked about Trek. There does not seem to be any allowance to express an opinion without risking outlash.

I also thought you were talking hypothetically about creating new models specifically for a new game. Now it sounds like you mean models that already have been created and are in SFC already. See because if were talking about a model not yet created but that is to be designed for a new game. Then the above statement would not apply. Which begs my point about if you knew that models in SFC are no longer the property of the modeler why did you even bring this up?


Their must be more to that statement then anything created for SFC belongs to SFC. Because SFC would not have rights to a Star Wars ship or a ship from Andromeda or StarGate. I'll say this, I am ignorant about what rights a modeler has.  Does paramount then also have a right to use a model in a film that was made for SFC because SFC is a Star Trek Licensed product? If so could they then license a model to be manufatured as a plastic Star Trek model without compensation or credit to the original designer?

Could whatever company that used the model in game be allowed to kitbash that model into 10 different varienta and claim that they designed them as thier own new designs? If a new company got the license for SFC and also made other Sci-Fi games, could they use a player made model in a non SFC game without credit or compensation?

[Red_Green]

Hmm I don't know. My self, I think I would want some kind of compensation monetary wise, that is if I was an elite modeler, which I am not. I mean if the game developer was making money off of models that were free. It would set a presedent, it might have the effect of lowering what professional modelers might make on their future projects.

You would think that a game developer would want the highest quality models made with the least amount of polies. That should be worth some kind of compensation, just like any other skill in society.

I'm not sure about that train of thought I mean someone is making money now off of the the SFC, Armada and BC games we all so diligently model for. I see no difference, I mean if our contributions to a new game get us the game we've always wanted I think a few ships are a worthy investment toward achieving that goal.

By a game Wev'e always wanted? What kind of game is that? You mean SFB based or TNG based. I have not been following all the latest threads. My guess is as soon as a new SFC game were to be released, two minutes later people would be modding that game to make the game the way they want it? Added ships left out, new missions etc.....
Yes game companies are making money off of games people mod for. But the Game companies always hired someone to make the original models. The game came first and then the mod. This would be like the mod coming before the game. In the end the decision is individual, there should never be a blanket decision where a game company can use whose ever model it wants for whatever purpose without first contacting the creator of each model. In fact I think it would have been better just to cantact the modelers, who made the models you want to use privately. Then no one is the wiser and if someone wants their models used but gets left out, there is less chance of them feeling snubbed. Who gets to decide if your using a Soverign for example, which one. I think it has the potential for becoming like 100 seperate model contests.

[Red_Green]

Sorry bout 3 posts in a row but I have been giving this a lot of thought. If your making a game that is available for D/L for no charge, then this is not an issue. But if people are shelling out say $40 bucks for this game, it would need to be uniform in its models. What I mean for the sake of quality, you would want all the models formated the same. Like how in past games where all the models might be mapped to 3 maps all sized 256. You would want uniformity in mapping of textures thoughout this game. Models released by artists in the forums range from being mapped to 1 bitmap to being mapped to 50 bitmaps. Using all various sizes, different pieces in break models. Some decision would need to be made as to what the staderd size and number of maps used would be. This is just one thing I thought of but there could be more to it that I am unaware of.  What would the limit on poligons be. Is it the same for all classes of ships or would it vary? Would a battleship be allowed more poligons? Do you want to keep a races ships uniform? I mean in SFC2 all the Lyrans have a similar design theme that carries thorugh from the ff,dd, cl, ca in up to the DN. WOuld you want to keep that by say using the Lyrans made by one modeler or do you mix it up and take a different design from a different modler for each different class for the Lyrans with each ship textured differect than the last one.

When this project gets further along, this would have to be sorted out. Have the number of races been determined?