Topic: WIP Chabot Refit....

[Centurus]

During my days with the 9th Fleet, I learned a number of things, such as how to keep from getting myself killed so quickly in PvP, how to refit my ship so it was more effective, and on my own, with the help of a few people from these forums, I learned how to bash, and have since released a few simple bashes that have received rather mixed reviews, but oh well. 

Anyway, when I first joined, I saw the Chabot and was blown away.  The idea of having an Excelsior with Sovereign nacelles and a Sovereign-like deflector was incredible to me.  I just loved the concept.  As time went by, I began to notice imperfections in the model, namely the deflector area of the secondary hull was really bad, and the textures weren't of good quality, but for her time, she was a great ship.

As a show of respect and gratitude, and also at the request of a few of the higher ranking officers of the fleet, I began the task of revamping the ship, trying to make her look sharper, more crisp and detailed.  Although I am now retired from the ranks of the 9th, the Chabot has and still is a labor of love, and I have decided to share with the modelling community WIP shots of where she stands right now.

To date, all that is required is a complete retexture of the model in a more TNG type color scheme, preferably post Voyager.  From the original model, the following changes have been made:

    1.)  Replaced the saucer with that of the Enterprise B/Lakota saucer from GAFY's Excelsior.
    2.)  Replaced the texture for the pylons and neck with GAFY retextures of P81's XCA Excalibur.
    3.)  Replaced the warp engines with those of Red Dragon's Sovereign-Class.
    4.)  Replaced the entire secondary hull with WZ's Sorcerer's secondary hull.
    5.)  Bashed in two rescaled copies of the shuttlebay from WZ's Firestorm-Class.
    6.)  With the valued assistance of Cpt. Hooker of the BC Community, added actual phaser arrays to the model.
    7.)  Minor retexture done by ModelsPlease to several textures of the ship.
    8.)  Replaced WZ's deflector texture with a blue Sovereign type deflector made by Fallen_Warrior.  This same deflector texture was used on the
          Reliant B, one of my early 25th Century Refit Constitutions.

So everyone, I present the Chabot, Mark 2, a WIP...

[FoaS_XC]

-=melts=- I Want!

To be honest however, i think WZ's Sovvie or CG's Sovvie Nacelles woudl be better. And perhaps GAFY would be willing to retex those as well

PLEEEAAASSE GAFY?

[Centurus]

Hey Fury, thanks for responding, and thanks for the kind words.

I had originally tried to use WZ's Sovereign nacelles, but couldn't work with the mesh as it was constructed, I have thought about using CG's engines, but decided for now these are fine.  They're still much better than the ones on there before.  :-D

[F9thDawg]

I like it just needs a retexture

[Dizzy]

I like the shuttle bay structure on the aft hull. Very cool. Needs a bit of retexture there to make it blend naturally tho. The aft torps on the warp engine connector looks cool.I dont like WHERE it is, but it does look nicely done. The outboard impulse engines will burn your warp engines off. Might want to retexture them as shuttle bays. That'd make a good strike carrier.

Overall, the color scheme looks great, but the exclesior style looks strange with those warps. Not that it doesnt look good, but because im used to seeing them on ships from a different era, it looks foreign.

Overall, give you an A. 

I want it too.

[Centurus]

Thanks for the comments Dizzy.

Like I had mentioned, she needs a complete retexture so she's more in step with TNG.  I agree with you on how the textures on the shuttlebay look, that's why I am waiting till the ship gets a complete retexture all over the ship.  The torpedoes at the base of the pylons wasn't my doing.  It's left over from the original Chabot bash, which was heavily based on P81's Excalibur, and the impulse engines didn't seem a problem for the Enterprise B, but that's just me.

[ModelsPlease]

Well you already know what I think of it (had inside sneaky peaks  ). The only thing I would change are the nacelles, basically I would use Prometheus nacelles ONLY because they are more in scale with the Excelsior.

Excelsior
Dimensions : Length : 467 m
Beam : 185 m
Height : 100 m
Decks : 28

Prometheus
Dimensions : Length : 415 m
Beam : 163 m
Height : 64 m
Decks : 15

Or even the Akira
Dimensions : Length : 464.43 m
Beam : 316.67 m
Height : 87.43 m
Decks : 195
* Though I would heavily modify those prior to any bash lol *

But I know what you wanted to accomplish with your Chabot and I think ya did a KICK AZZ job !!!!! And I love the way the phaser arrays reflect the original turret positions.
-MP

[Starforce2]

make the impulse use the lighter orange texture for all the engines, rather than 2 colors of drive.

[Rhaz]

An excellent 'bash - well done

[Scottish Andy]

This looks really great. Beautiful job on she sharpness and quality of the mod and textures. Good Job! 

[CaptainTombs]

Leave the textures as is its beautiful, plus does anyone realise how hard it is just to get textures in the first place ?, either way awesome work love the Chabot refit

[ModelsPlease]

I could just finish the texture job I started bro that is until I can do a total retexture. Up to you

[F9th0mega]

so... beautiful... Now hurry up and finish it for us to play with

Nice work

[F9thClarkyprime]

Forgive me but I believe Nanner asked you to please leave this ship alone as the original was done to Honor 9th fleet founder Ghis Chabot.
The work is beautiful but as you did not get Nanners blessing and you said that you would back off. Don't you think you should have called your ship something else.
BTW which 9th fleet Sr officer suggested you should persure this project?
I'd appreciate names and please pm them too me no need to post them here. Thank you

[CaptainTombs]

bummer i like this ship but will this turn into a no release now ?

hope this isnt going to turn into a copyright thing

[Fedman NCC-3758]

So everyone, I present the Chabot, Mark 2, a WIP...

                         

[Centurus]

Forgive me but I believe Nanner asked you to please leave this ship alone as the original was done to Honor 9th fleet founder Ghis Chabot.
The work is beautiful but as you did not get Nanners blessing and you said that you would back off. Don't you think you should have called your ship something else.
BTW which 9th fleet Sr officer suggested you should persure this project?
I'd appreciate names and please pm them too me no need to post them here. Thank you

I had originally said, after reading Nanner's response, that I wouldn't remake the model and would try to update the original mesh, but that proved extremely problematic at best.  Also, Nanner never said at anytime he forbidded this project.  And my intentions were to never dishonor the intentions of the original Chabot, and I when I worked on this mesh, I had originally thought about making this a further refit of the Chabot, and naming it after one of the other 9th founders, but decided just to stick with the name Chabot.

Clarky, if you wish to ask me the names of those who asked me to take on this project, then IM me on MSN at Golden_Centurion@hotmail.com.  I know for a fact that the entire 9th fleet already knows of this project, and has known for quite some time of the work so far, since originally the only WIP shots I had posted were at the 9th's forums, the chances of this being the first time for you viewing this work is very slim. 

I still have every intention to release this ship as the Chabot refit once she gets a complete retexture, but until then, she's still a WIP.  To everyone that wanted this ship soon, sorry.

I also still have every intention of taking the original model and updating the mesh where needed, but as I said earlier, that proved to be problematic at best.

[Centurus]

P.S.

If anyone is concerned that I'm not going to give credit for the original bash, you need not worry.  Although I have not done many bashes or done much work on ships, I have always gone out of my way to make sure that everyone is properly given credit, even for the most insignificant thing.  That is one thing that will not change, and those that know me, or at least know my work, can never say that I do not give credit to everyone that had a role in what I do. 

I don't mind if people give negative comments on work I do, but I will be extremely offended if people accuse me of dishonestly.

[F9thDawg]

Im glad that you are going forward with your project and I fully support it. Besides my Eagles need a new ship to fly in on BC multiplayer hehehehe

[F9thClarkyprime]

I don't think Ive accused you of being dis honest , I just am not sure why you insist on moving this forward as a chabot.
I know this was posted on the old 9th forum and I clearly remember nanner being un happy about it.
I have spoken to Ryker he tells me he was the one who encouraged you to go ahead.
I suppose I dont understand the modding community well. I just figure if Chevy came out with a Chevy Mustang Mark II, Ford might be a bit ticked.
I just get the feeling you decided you where going to do this no matter what, that was the impression you gave in the old forum and it still feels that way to me.
Maybe I'm way of base it would not be the 1st time.

[Centurus]

I had given this entire project alot of thought before I had decided that the best course of action, for me anyway, was to just practically rebuild the ship the best way I could.  I never had any intention of just leaving the original ship the way she was.  To me, it wasn't right.  The ship, even on design alone, deserved something better.  And the 9th, being some of the best people that I've ever dealt with in the SFC community, deserved even better.  Never was it my intention to dishonor the model or it's intended purpose, and I had posted WIP images even on the new 9th forums.  In fact a WIP thread was one of the very first few threads I posted.  Don't believe me, check out the Bar and Grill thread and look at posts I've made.   You'll find the thread.

As for the issue of dishonesty, I know you didn't accuse me, but in case you were perhaps thinking that, I wanted to set the record clear.

I needed little encouragement in doing this project.  The encouragement given practically determined when it was going to be done, not whether if it was or was not. 

You say you don't know why I am still moving on and calling this ship a Chabot, then again I don't know why anyone would be against an attempt to refine a design, if they were staying true not only to the design herself, but more importantly the spirit in which the ship was originally created in the first place. 

If the eventual release of this ship is going to rub a few 9th officers, both active and inactive, the wrong way, I'm sorry, but it's not going to change my mind on releasing this as a Chabot refit. 

One of the mottos all people in the modelling/modding community of SFC live by is that if someone doesn't like a ship or mod, no one's pulling their arm to download it and use it as it was originally intended.  If they like it, they'll download it.  If they like the design, but not necessarily the concept, they'll change it.  If you don't like this ship, and perhaps even see it as unwarranted, no one's forcing you to like it or download it. 

[Centurus]

make the impulse use the lighter orange texture for all the engines, rather than 2 colors of drive.

I never thought about that.  When the retexture gets underway, I will certainly try that out.  Thanks.  :-D

[Starforce2]

you haven't started?

[Centurus]

The mesh is done for now, but I'm not a texturer, so the retexture hasn't been done yet.  I can't do the textures.  Wish I could, cause then this would have been released already.

[Anthony Scott]

 


Nice work but one thing....does that ship really need 4 impulse engines?

Just wondering but maybe having an overpowered ship can be good...

Once again, great work!


Semper Fi, Carry On

[Starforce2]

The mesh is done for now, but I'm not a texturer, so the retexture hasn't been done yet.  I can't do the textures.  Wish I could, cause then this would have been released already.

I guess I thought the pix in the first post was the almost finished product. To me the gafy textures and what not look pretty grade-A to me.  I guess you could use CG-sov nacelles.

[Centurus]

I already have CG Sovereign 1.0 engines ready for grafting, but still debating with myself if I want to commit more effort to another engine swapping.  It all depends if the retexture begins soon.  If not, I'll probably replace Redragon's engines with CG's. 

I chose that particular saucer because of the GAFY textures, so good catch there.  :-D  But I still want a complete retexture of the entire ship, not just bits and pieces here to make it look more whole.

[NannerSlug]

Let me clarify what I said a few months ago. I did not want anyone to mess with the chabot in this way. It really is that simple. So no, I did not give permission for Cent to do another version or interpretation of the Chabot.

I've beem aware of this thread and choose to ignore it - i have other, more important things to tend to in life than someone ignoring a request.

My suggestion would be for Cent to simply rename the model. If he chooses not to do so the world wont end or anything like that - I mean, my goodnes, its JUST a model for a game. We shouldnt get all huffy over anything.

For those who are unaware of the history - Knox1711 took a few of P81's parts to various ships and did a kb for me at my request in rememberance of the founder of the 9th - Ghislin Chabot. That was like three or so years ago. The original design had dual deflectors. I didnt like that so I did some kbing and with Atheorhaven's help we made it a single dish vessel - which is what I originally wanted.

The original concept was a new BCH which was not just an upgraded Excelsior - but used the tech learned from sovs and upgraded "x-ship" type vessels in combination with excelsior tech.

Anyways. like I said - it is just a model so people need to think about other things which are far more important than modeling. I would say, though, that intellectual honesty would be nice.

For what its worth - not a bad design. Very clean. I dont like how high the phaser strips come out of the primary hull, though.

[Centurus]

Nanner, I never had any intention to discredit your original efforts or intentions for the Chabot in anyway.  That's why I am insisting on this as a refit.  This doesn't in anyway impede on intellectual honesty in anyway, and I have never claimed that the Chabot was my intellectual property.  I would never do that to anyone.  Like I said, I always give credit where credit is due.

I'm sorry this ship has been a torn in so many people's sides, and I'm getting the distinct impression that certain people feel I am disgracing Ghis Chabot, which is hardly the case. 

[Starforce2]

I already have CG Sovereign 1.0 engines ready for grafting, but still debating with myself if I want to commit more effort to another engine swapping.  It all depends if the retexture begins soon.  If not, I'll probably replace Redragon's engines with CG's. 

I chose that particular saucer because of the GAFY textures, so good catch there.  :-D  But I still want a complete retexture of the entire ship, not just bits and pieces here to make it look more whole.

How about the gold sov deflector then?

[Centurus]

I originally had the gold deflector on there, but decided to use the blue one instead.  I felt it flowed better with the ship.  The gold deflector was a bit hard on the eyes, but looked great nonetheless.

[Centurus]

Come to think of it, the deflector dish and deflector alcove textures are separate textures of the rest of the ship.  I could easily release the gold set for anyone that wants them.  :-D  Yeah, I think I'll do that.

[GotAFarmYet?]

The only thing Retextures take is time, lots of it 

Anyways I have different Impulse textures you can have if you can list me the ones you used I could forward them to you. In Picture number 8 you can see the outer engines exhast clearly hit the front ofthe warp engines. Simplist fix is to lengthen the neck a bit and reduce the angle of the warp engine struts. If you want a TNG look you have allot of texturing to do starting with the saucer. If you want more towards the Excelsior (late TMP) it would be faster. Either way the most work will be making the engines match the era you choose.

Just have whom you got to texture it contact me and I will send what I have.

-GAFY?

[Centurus]

The original Chabot was the exact same way in terms of the impulse engines and warp engines, so I decided not to change that.  Also, again, it worked for the Enterprise B and Lakota.  :-D

Currently, the only person that's planning on doing the retexture is ModelsPlease, but that won't be for a good long while, and the ship is going to be redone in post-TNG, saucer, shuttlebays, and all.  :-D  She got a facelift, why not give her new clothes too?

[ModelsPlease]

I defer to you GAFY? Please retexture this bad boy. Oh and I still want a version with Promie nacelles on it 

[GotAFarmYet?]

The original Chabot was the exact same way in terms of the impulse engines and warp engines, so I decided not to change that.  Also, again, it worked for the Enterprise B and Lakota.  :-D

Currently, the only person that's planning on doing the retexture is ModelsPlease, but that won't be for a good long while, and the ship is going to be redone in post-TNG, saucer, shuttlebays, and all.  :-D  She got a facelift, why not give her new clothes too?

Yes but you are making a new version why not correct the old errors?

[Centurus]

I don't want to change too many elements of the design.  The secondary hull was necessary because I couldn't fix the errors of the original the way she was. 

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Bump for info.

Out of respect for all concerned, simply rename the ship.

It would be a shame not to see this project completed.

[Centurus]

With all due respect, I refuse to rename the ship.  I would rather just delete everything than change the name of the ship.  Plain and simple.

As for current info, GAFY has the ship right now, but he had informed me it was going to take a while before the retexture is done.

[ModelsPlease]

Well worth the wait. You did a fantastic job on it. Far superior to the old one and true to the original design as well. Don't change a thing man.

  
-MP

[GotAFarmYet?]

Tinkering with them still so it will be a while...

Well there are things I would like to see changed I have no modelling program to do that with, but eventually might. Even if I do I will probably not release it, too many complaints and other thing happening with it.


Maybe I will post a pic or two when it is done either way i get to play with it in the game!
(hopfully if not released to the public at large it will make it into a few ppls hand that would like the ship for what it is)

[Starforce2]

Looks good.

[Centurus]

I've just seen the WIP images that GAFY sent me.  I cannot show them here, but not for the reason you may all be thinking.  I'm gonna make you guys suffer BIG TIME in waiting for this ship because, as she stands now, although still a WIP of her retexture, SHE'S F**KING HOT!!!!!  Enough to give any guy a stiffy!!!  I took one glance at these images and WOW!!!!  That's all I can say, WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!!  I am not making this stuff up, she looks sexy right now.  This is my revenge, none of you can see how she looks UNTIL she's completely finshed.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Starforce2]

I'm glad I aint one of them

[ModelsPlease]

This is my revenge, none of you can see how she looks UNTIL she's completely finshed.

Revenge of the Rubber Chicken ? I think I saw that movie. 

-MP

[Centurus]

I'm glad I aint one of them

???

[GotAFarmYet?]

He got see them because of a discussion we had on MSN one night.

I make a appearence there about once a month usually late at night which tends to be just before he goes to work. easiest way not to get more work is to be busy on something else.

[Centurus]

Ahhh, that would explain it.

[NannerSlug]

With all due respect, I refuse to rename the ship.

You know, I would have thought that a simple request would have been honored. I guess not.

Can I do anything to stop it?

No. Again, it is nothing more than a model for a video game.

The attitude, though, is nausating to me at best.

For those who do not understand where I am coming from - I ask you to put your self in my shoes for a moment. There is a very good reason why I asked for a simple name change. This used to be a common, well understood practice among modelers and modders a like to honor.

No more. I suppose.

call it what you want to, but its not the chabot.

thanks.

[OlBuzzard]

Quoted from another thread ... which apparently also cost me another Karma reduction ....  (can't imagine who would do such a thing    )

To see this saddens .. but frankly does not surprise me.  It seems as though there is always the push for the "new" ... and push aside of the old.  Sometimes this is at the expense, wishes and desires of those who have already give so much.

I guess for me I will simply never quite understand the politics of this community  ( and often the politics of WHO is more important that WHAT has happened).

I am glad to see a resolution of sorts ...  Yet the fact remains of the "ego" factor that often over rides and openly ignores the simplest request of modelers, authors, artists and others around us  (all of course for the better good of the community).

It is my sincere hope that some day that will change.  Perhaps some day values that respect individuals which result in deeds of honor, rather than the drive of politics for manipulation and control will once again light our path.

All of us owe so much to so many.  What sort of price tag do we dare place upon respect and honor to those same individuals?

I submitt to you that to ignore such matters is to jeopardize a part of us that all of the wealth that man kind posses can not began to restore.

(I hope this is not taken as a rant ..  but rather a genuine plea)

thanks

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Gave it right back to both you and Nanner, Buz.

Regretfully, petulance rains supreme here at times.


Regards,
Fed, who appreciates the efforts of Buz, Nanner, and the others who keep the game alive.

[OlBuzzard]

Gave it right back to both you and Nanner, Buz.

Regretfully, petulance rains supreme here at times.


Regards,
Fed, who appreciates the efforts of Buz, Nanner, and the others who keep the game alive.

Thanks bud ..

IMHO ...

I try to see things in a much larger picture.  There was a time when this community (several years ago) had an opportunity to impact the "TREK" community in a very positive way.  Without getting into a pissing contest over philosophy of "game play" (By that I mean SFB vs other types and styles of games) ...  I really believe that at one time that influence for the continuance and growth of Trek  was possible.  However, I have seen a number of things develop (not just recently ...  but over the last couple of years) that seriously brings into question if that would ever be possible now.  A very large part of that is the constant bickering, condemnation of game developers, and excessive damnation of what is "cannon" and what is not. 

So much of the matter is about attitude and respect.

Let's face it:  attitude, responsibility and respect are simply things that can not be legislated with any amount of regulations, rules or even law.  While it is true that law can attempt to regulate it is ultimately up to the individual to be of a willing mind to fulfil the "spirit" of the community.

Without it ....  what have we become ?

If this has gone a bit OT ..  I deeply apologise.  It just seems to be a part of a bigger picture here.

And for what ever it's worth ..   my son is also right that it's just a model ..  just a game .. and about having fun. 

But ...   are there not also other matters here that should be taken into consideration ?

[ModelsPlease]

Ok now I'm lost. Lemme see if I understand this..... Someone kitbashed a ship and named it after someone who plays SFC. Now Centaurus is honoring that with a new and far superior model that's true to the original design and people are upset ???? I must be missing something here. Heck if someone wanted to make a far superior model of one of my bashes ( and now someone is re-doing my Leyte Gulf with a far superior model and textures...coming soon.) I would be ecstatic, and am. As time goes bye and people get better at model making, even the one's we now consider "cutting edge" will in a few years be obsolete and we'll be redoing them as well. Reading the comments in this thread so far lead me to believe this isn't about the model, but the person's involved. I could be wrong on this notion but that's how I am percieving it. This Chabot refit is a great looking model, who wouldn't be proud to have their name on it ?

OK I'll shut up now lol
-MP

[Centurus]

Ok now I'm lost. Lemme see if I understand this..... Someone kitbashed a ship and named it after someone who plays SFC. Now Centaurus is honoring that with a new and far superior model that's true to the original design and people are upset ???? I must be missing something here. Heck if someone wanted to make a far superior model of one of my bashes ( and now someone is re-doing my Leyte Gulf with a far superior model and textures...coming soon.) I would be ecstatic, and am. As time goes bye and people get better at model making, even the one's we now consider "cutting edge" will in a few years be obsolete and we'll be redoing them as well. Reading the comments in this thread so far lead me to believe this isn't about the model, but the person's involved. I could be wrong on this notion but that's how I am percieving it. This Chabot refit is a great looking model, who wouldn't be proud to have their name on it ?

OK I'll shut up now lol
-MP

Actually, you're probably right on the past point, it's not so much now that the project was done, but who had done it, me. 

I had wanted to avoid stating a few certain things, but now I have no choice.

Regardless what anyone thinks, this is cold, hard, fact.  Several people were already planning to redo the Chabot, regardless if I was involved or not.  The Chabot is a very well liked ship, but by today's standards, she's poorly built, and sooner or later, someone was going to redo her.  I know several people that were already coming up with ideas that would have eventually led to a ship that looked nothing like the Chabot, but they would have done it, and released it, with the name of Chabot, without ever knowing the background or why the original was built, and this would have pissed off a number of people, the entire 9th fleet being the bulk of those people.

I had a choice, either get involved and pretty much do it on my own, or not.  There was no preventing the project from being done, unless certain illegal and unethical actions were taken.  Use your imagination about that one.  So I did the project.  I knew there was no stopping it.  At the time when I started, I was the only member of the 9th with any kitbashing skills to speak of, and those members of the command staff in the fleet that asked me to take charge of this project knew it too.  I also believe they knew what I am about to say now:  If it had been someone else that had done this project, they would have done it without knowing why the original ship was built in the first place, and they wouldn't have cared.  I knew what the ship stood for, knew what it meant, and everyone knew that I would do my best to make sure that what I ended up with would be the best effort to try and honor that concept, that ideal.

With that, I took charge of this project, and in doing so, alienated people on several fronts.  I have received aggrivation over this ship far beyond the confines of this thread, and because of those early confrontations, my place within Outalance was placed in jeparody.  In the end, I don't regret it.  I had to make a choice, and if I had to make over again, I wouldn't change a thing.

Cold, hard, fact: Sooner or later someone would have done it.  If it wasn't me, it would have been someone else.  Chances are that someone else wouldn't have understood what the ship stood for, and would have done whatever they pleased to the ship, turning it into a virtual monstrosity, and slapping the name Chabot on it, and be done with it.  I was a 9th officer, damned good one, and in essence, I was asked to make sure no one else would have turned the flagship of the 9th into a joke of a ship.  For better or worse, I did just that.  A friendship of mine was torn apart, but fortunately put back together again.  A few other friendships nearly met the same fate, all because I chose to take control of this project, and make sure that the end result wouldn't be something ugly.

Any and all changes that were made were made after days, and in some cases months, of thinking and consideration.  Even when some people were thinking about considering this ship to be the official Chabot, I said no, that this is a refit, and in no way intended to basically get rid of the original.  I still stand by this, still say that this is a REFIT, the Mark 2.

Again, I made a choice, and I would make it again in a heartbeat.

What I find very ammusing is that certain members of the 9th, both active and retired, who have publically shown outrage for this refit, have actually praised it in private.  Granted, this was before the WIP status was made public to the entire SFC modelling community.  And these same people knew then that what they were seeing were the early stages of an update to the Chabot, and they knew that this was going to be a Chabot refit.  It's ammusing that these same people now would bash the ship.  Go figure. 

I've gone through more aggrivation over this ship than anyone would even imagine, going against those individuals that wanted this ship redone so badly, and telling them that their ideas were not to be done because it would take away from the Chabot instead of adding to it.  But still, I keep going on, and this ship will be released, as the Mark 2 Chabot.  I've done too much, suffered too much, just to give in to peer pressure now.

To those to hate this ship, who oppose it, who think of it as disgraceful and disrespectful, keep this in mind: No one's forcing you to like it, and no one's forcing you to download it and use it.  Just with every other ship that has ever come our way, each one of us can use it, or not. 

As I have said repeatedly, I've gone through a lot of aggrivation over this ship, but I am going to see this ship released.  After that, my bashing days are over.  If ever I bash ships again, or make new ones, I will keep to myself.  After this ship has been released, I am going to disappear.

Those of you that hate my guts, and I know who you are too, you can tear away at me as much as you like.  Hell, you've already done so, not only over this ship, but over other issues as well.  I'm too old and my body too worn out to continue fighting after this ship is done.

[OlBuzzard]

Centurus ..    could not have been more wrong if you had to be.  My son even asked ME not to mess with it.  It has nothing to do with a bash ..   if it were then a bash would be named something else (usually) ...  unless the refit is typically done by the original author.  I'm sure there have been exceptions but even then ...   those are at the approval of the original author.  (case in point when Alkimi did he bash on my "Defiant refit" ..  He did a sweet job I might add).

He has sentimental reasons for that decision and I respect it  ...  nothing more.  He also knows he can not "make" you to do anything.  If you take the time to actually read his response you would know that he was genuinely hoping that you would be kind enough to respect his wishes. 

This rant is totally unnecessary.  The request he made of you was MONTHS prior to this. Before the project was well under way.  To make such allegations ...  and with such an attitude is in deed disappointing.  I've seen some classic acts in my time ..  this is not one of them.  And before this turns any uglier ...   it is time step away.

I have said all that is needed. (More than I intended to).


This is the best effort I can make to help bring understanding to this matter.  My apologies to the community for failure on my part to properly communicate and find a resolution that is suitable.

Perhaps it is time for me to simply move on to other avenues.

Things change.  Some of us learn ...  and grow in wisdom and understanding ...  ( we still make mistakes ..   but we try to learn from them).  Perhaps for me the wisest thing to do is to simply stand down and let the next generation carry on.

[ModelsPlease]

Like I stated in an earlier posting I want to see it with Promie nacelles. (Out of curiosity)

[ModelsPlease]

I don't want to be placed in the middle either. I consider Buzz and Centaurus both good friends and have worked with both of you on many projects. I personally don't want to see either of you leave this community. And airing 9th fleet laundry here is uncalled for as well (all involved in that). Nanner said it best "It is just a model" Opinions were expressed, noted or ignored, people spoke their respective peace. Now everyone can chime in and add their $.02 cents here and cause further rifts in the community. Move the focus away from the model ..yada,yada yada. The fact remains, Centaurus is building a refit of a cool ship in homage to someone he respects in the 9th fleet of which he was a member at the time. Who are anyone of us to say "NO ya can't do that." If I want to rebash the Manitoba in honor of Mani ( an OutaLance Founder ) who is to say I can't ...other then perhaps Mani, or a Moonraker or a Knox81 or whoever I respect to that extent ? I WILL NOT be placed in the middle. I WILL NOT allow OutaLance to be a battleground. I RESPECT everyone's opinion in the is matter RIGHT OR WRONG. On a personal note I want this ship, not because of the 9th fleet or Chris Holmes ( who I have absolutely no idea who that is ) ,not because Centaurus built it, BUT because it's a KICK AZZ model. Plain and simple.

This is the last I'm gonna say on this matter.
Geez I've ranted twice in one day......broke my record of one rant which I set today. 
-MP

[OlBuzzard]

Do what ever you want to.  (since that is what you insist on doing any way).

Oh and FW..    Just for the record ..  you asked my opinion on this model in a MSN conversation ..  yes .. that was a Looooooooooong time ago...  Like about a week before Diahak (Centurus) went to Nanner (then a member of the senior command staff of the 9th) .  Again this is to the best of my recollection.  Nanner requested that the project be renamed ...  that was the end of it (as far as I'm concerned).

BTW..   please note:  I stayed out of this entire thread until just recently.

As far as my son and I being at odds with the entire community ?

 

oh my goodness ..   so let me get this straight:  just about any one can take all the cheap shots ..  or have disagreements with us ..  and that is cool ..   No big deal ..  if any thing it should be the two of us changing our minds ...

BUT ..   if either of us makes a simple request ..  ( and BTW..  that was where this actually started before it was EVER posted here) ..   then it is Nanner or me who is wrong,

I believe that is called politics ... 

and the politics of this matter is where the rub is.

I'm not angry ..    but frankly I have no desire to keep this up any longer.  I am tired of this.

It's no longer any fun.

farwell

[F9th0mega]

Ok now I'm lost. Lemme see if I understand this..... Someone kitbashed a ship and named it after someone who plays SFC. Now Centaurus is honoring that with a new and far superior model that's true to the original design and people are upset ???? I must be missing something here. Heck if someone wanted to make a far superior model of one of my bashes ( and now someone is re-doing my Leyte Gulf with a far superior model and textures...coming soon.) I would be ecstatic, and am. As time goes bye and people get better at model making, even the one's we now consider "cutting edge" will in a few years be obsolete and we'll be redoing them as well. Reading the comments in this thread so far lead me to believe this isn't about the model, but the person's involved. I could be wrong on this notion but that's how I am percieving it. This Chabot refit is a great looking model, who wouldn't be proud to have their name on it ?

OK I'll shut up now lol
-MP

That about covered what i wanted to say

[Sochin]

Omega I would suggest the post be removed please.

Thankyou Omega it is appreciated.

[OlBuzzard]

It's obvious that the entire matter has been overshadowed ...

No I will not stop by the 9th forums ..   There is no need to remove your question.  It is obvious that the simple request made by the designer, and original mod developer (where the ship was first introduced) is being ignored.

My only involvement in this was (originally) to add support to my sons request.  It seems that his plea was and still is not only falling on deaf ears but as well creating controversy.  He and I both are being judged harshly for being the bad guys as though there were something either evil, dishonest, threatening, or of bad taste.

This attitude that has been presented primarily to my son ..  ( I just made the mistake of agreeing with him ) and now to me is so unbelievable. 

And for what reason ?

Oh ...  I forgot .. (senior moment ..   us old folks have a real problem with that ya know) ...

respect ! ?

concern ! ?

defiance ?

I'm sure it's all my fault some where in there.

[F9thRyker]

Controversy is only kept going at all, when those who want to see it keep going, keep stoking it up. Honestly, its a mountain out of a molehill - that goes for everyone, not solely Buzz, Centurus and not Nanner - all things considered, all three have kept remarkably cool heads throughout this. A credit to all of you.


Anyway. It. Is. Only. A. Model. When all's said and done, its a fictional model, in a fictional universe, created by someone who has put a lot of time into it - represented by a fictional character in this world we call SFC.


So much hassle over so much fiction. Urgh.


I *knew* there was a reason Ive been taking a long, *long* break from fleet stuff. Stuff like this.

Just FYI - I havent flown an OP campaign since KCW, and havent done a SFC3 one since NDF4. Im not planning to again in the near future, not only because my "real life" career prospects have, finally, seemed to take off, I have simply not had time to play, let alone sort out fleet stuff.



[The "Real Me" - Jason Greenwood, for this paragraph. No Ryker, no online character, no SFC stuff. Just plain old me]


When I come back of an evening, I kick in Birth of the Federation (anyone remember that?) and hope I find the Zakdorn before any other race does, so I can train my starships to Badass proportions  Maybe sink a couple of cans, ring up some old school mates, check on my schedule, and basically do work-stuff. Its going well, better than I could have hoped - IT support in a musical theatre school for children. I like musical theatre, plus I have a BSc (Hons) in Applied Computer Technology - it is a work-placement made in Heaven. I couldn't have asked for a better one, and Im very happy with it- with any luck, this 3-6 month placement will turn into a "proper" salaried job.

To this end, Ive been putting in a lot of time extra-hours on career development skills, and in terms of online stuff; well. Ive left fleet business in the hands of those people better at it now than I am, as it should be. If this situation continues, I will most probably retire or stand aside, and let someone with the drive, enthusiasm and passion for this game that I once had, take my place.


However, since it seems I cant be left in peace to enjoy my twilight days with this game. Urgh.



[Puts on the "Ryker" hat]


Officially, Centurus isnt part of the 9th Fleet anymore. For the record, I will state that while he was with us, he remarked to several members of the fleet, including myself, about how great a model the Chabot was, but that as it was designed to be something just used for SFC - namely a kitbash - the model itself did not stand up to close scrutiny.

To this end, he came to the Fleet about creating a new model, of the exact (or as close as possible) type and configuration of the original, but with a much higher level of detail. Specifics here Im not sure of, but I believe it was intented for high-quality rendering work, as well as use in Bridge Commander.

Since this model was intimately associated with the Ninth, it was felt that a high-resolution re-build, to the same specifications, would help "spread the word" about the 9th, and it's origins with Ghis (who the ship was named for). Also, as Centurus pointed out, several other modellers were already taking an interest in reworking the Chabot, and it was felt that, despite some of them being exceptionally fine modellers, that to keep it "in house" would keep a sense of attachment of the ship to the fleet, just as it was when Nannerslug designed and made the original kitbash.

And so, Cent went to work. Early un-named WIPs looked promising, and as long as it stayed as faithful as was possible to the original design, I was content with letting it continue.


However. The issue of naming it came up. Since it wasnt a "refit" or kitbash, but nothing short of a total, 100% rebuild of an existing model, the original name of "Chabot" seemed to make sense. Case in point - the original in-game models. Im sure someone holds the rights to the design for the Galaxy class ship, somewhere at Paramount. However, Galaxy class models made here arent called "Mark 2", or "Type 195" Galaxy, they're just called "Galaxy" class ship. Most cases, I believe, the name of the author is included in the description for the model, but not the "class" itself in-game.


[Personally, I consider the original Chabot to be the Nanner Chabot, and the rebuild to be the Centurus one, for the same reason. In game, I'd still call it the Chabot, for the purposes of discriminating between the two though, I'd call them the Nanner and Cent Chabots.]


Sometime later, Centurus felt that his time in the fleet had come to a close (as Im feeling right now), and decided to retire. I suggested to him possibly renaming the ship the "Thrain", - "Chabot Mk 2" seems silly when its exactly the same ship, and after many many man-hours of work have gone into making sure it is the same.

On the face of it, this should stay between Centurus and Nanner. Nanner's father, nor the 9th Fleet, has any business getting involved - Cent isnt part of the 9th, so while this was "our" idea in the earlier stages, anything he chooses to do regarding this, I cant really do much.

I will say this though, on a personal note. Centurus is a good person, who has been through far FAR too much hassle recently over this. As Nanner himself said,

"My suggestion would be for Cent to simply rename the model. If he chooses not to do so the world wont end or anything like that - I mean, my goodnes, its JUST a model for a game. We shouldnt get all huffy over anything."


I agree totally. It is a nice looking computer file, of a fictional ship, in a fictional universe, made for a game and TV series which is, to be fair, dying out. Its a *model*, its not the Crown Jewels, or a Renaissance-era copy of the Bible worth millions we're talking about here.

Its a bloody model. Person A makes it, person B re-makes it as faithfully as possible.   Persons C, D, E, and their brothers and former room-mates get involved, and makes it into something much more than it actually is - a model of a ship, made in tribute to a model of a ship, which was made in tribute to someone we once knew.


Final thought- wait until Centurus, or whoever has it right now, has finished it with a full retexture. Then, if you still want to go ahead and judge it, then judge the Finished Article.


If there's still crap going on over this then, maybe Cent could go to Nanner for comments and feedback as to how to tweak it; since he knows the mesh inside and out, he's and P81 are probably the best people to go to. Or, *shocker* idea here, maybe Nanner could modify Cent's mesh and release it too as his own update?

Shocker indeed. 



Springers Final Thought:

Something I learned recently - there's more to life than pissing contests. If that applies to real life, then it sure as hell should apply here too.




[Now I remember why I dont play SFC any more. None of this hassle in single-player Birth of the Federation  ]

[F9thRyker]

In other news, Admiral Kirk suffered a strange regressive effect today when he encountered a clone of Khan - these effects are the first to be witnessed in deep space...

[F9thRyker]

Officially, Centurus isnt part of the 9th Fleet anymore. For the record, I will state that while he was with us, he remarked to several members of the fleet, including myself, about how great a model the Chabot was, but that as it was designed to be something just used for SFC - namely a kitbash - the model itself did not stand up to close scrutiny.

To this end, he came to the Fleet about creating a new model, of the exact (or as close as possible) type and configuration of the original, but with a much higher level of detail. Specifics here Im not sure of, but I believe it was intented for high-quality rendering work, as well as use in Bridge Commander.

Just a little clarification here, you'll have to forgive me. It seems like a lifetime ago now, but just to set the record straight- I was the one who approached Centurus, not the other way around, to do a new Chabot model in the beginning.

The existing one, as I said, was a good model, but didnt stand up to close scrutiny when enlarged or rendered in hi-res. Since Centurus had done some stellar work with the Constitution Mk 6 and the TNG Akula models, I felt that he was the best man for the job and, looking at his early WIPs, they looked (and still do) look stunning.

Thanks for your attention, and I apologize for any confusion.

[GotAFarmYet?]

With all due respect, I refuse to rename the ship.

You know, I would have thought that a simple request would have been honored. I guess not.

Can I do anything to stop it?

No. Again, it is nothing more than a model for a video game.

The attitude, though, is nausating to me at best.

For those who do not understand where I am coming from - I ask you to put your self in my shoes for a moment. There is a very good reason why I asked for a simple name change. This used to be a common, well understood practice among modelers and modders a like to honor.

No more. I suppose.

call it what you want to, but its not the chabot.

thanks.

Have a Question on this one are you talking about the name on the ship? (would be more than Happy to do this one, Registries are esy to do)
or Calling it a different Class? (out of my control not the one releasing it)

[GotAFarmYet?]

So here are some WIP shots just to help you have a empty stomache for dinner time!

[ModelsPlease]

Ummm GAFY?  What ship is that ????? It doesn't look like the Chabot I know 

[Centurus]

Hmmm.....I kinda like it.  I need to get someone to make a duplicate of the original Chabot secondary hull, with all the mesh errors corrected, or at least get the original one fixed.  :-D

[ModelsPlease]

Hmmm.....I kinda like it.  I need to get someone to make a duplicate of the original Chabot secondary hull, with all the mesh errors corrected, or at least get the original one fixed.  :-D

Was this the varient F_W was working on ?

[GotAFarmYet?]

Hmmm.....I kinda like it.  I need to get someone to make a duplicate of the original Chabot secondary hull, with all the mesh errors corrected, or at least get the original one fixed.  :-D

Was this the varient F_W was working on ?

No this is the orginal model with TMP styled textures on it. The one I am putting below is more or less where you guys were orginally going with the project before I got involved. Again it is still the orginal model with texture changes. All these are just for Ideas and not high quality work on the textures themselves, it was just to see the basic layouts. All the textures were basically things I had on hand laying around with minor changes. None of these are for release they are just for discussion purposes. The model that was retextured for release is not fully completeed yet, i am waiting on a new *.mod file with the mapping and mesh errors fixed for a final review.

So here is what you orginally looked like the direction the ship was going to take.

[GotAFarmYet?]

So no discussions 

Oh well was wondoring what ppl though or input. Cent and MP know what the ship looks like for the release one but no one has anything to say for ideas or ships in general for what should be for where?

[Centurus]

I think what I need you to do is do another texture of the original Chabot, a modest retexture, which retains the feel of the original, just making her look sharper. 

[GotAFarmYet?]

I don't know was never fond of the escape capsules all over the ship in easy to target under protected areas
You figure a More Connie and one Excelsior verson would have appealed to someone, well other than me.

[ModelsPlease]

So no discussions 

Oh well was wondoring what ppl though or input. Cent and MP know what the ship looks like for the release one but no one has anything to say for ideas or ships in general for what should be for where?

Ok now I know what's going on LOL. For a minute I was confused  . I'm not fond of TMP style textures on an obviously TNG ship. Just because you have a TNG style hull texture on it doesn't mean you have to have the escape pods everywhere. If ya don't like 'em don't add 'em  .

[GotAFarmYet?]

Not to bring this one up from the Dead but...

The ship has finished most of the corrections and alterations
Many thanks to those that got us through this stage 

So it will be time for conversion to mod files and nir soon.

[ModelsPlease]

BUMP for release information.

[F9th0mega]

Its worth the wait

[GotAFarmYet?]

the nice thing is the SFC 3 version is done the SFC 2 version he has the plans and spects for, the BC version might be the one that takes the longest and it was planned as a all at once release. As always birthing is on its own time table and never goes by the plan.

[Centurus]

Sorry for the delay.

The ship is finished, specs and HP for SFC3 finished, and I'm going to make a hardpoint for SFC2 to GAFY's diagrams. 

For personal reasons, I want to wait on the SFC release till the BC release. 

I would have sent the ship yesterday to CA, but I was having problems getting the ship to load into MS3D.  Had to do some creative work to the ship to get her into MS3D and then ported to BC.  When I see the CA guys on MSN, I'll be sending them the ship for scripting and hardpointing. 

I have respectfully asked our own well-known master of the grave to make some renders for the release of this ship to give her a proper send off. 

Please stay tuned for more information.

[GotAFarmYet?]

We now have the SFC Versions completed!

So now it is down to the BC Conversion to be finished and sorted out, then it will be released.

[F9th0mega]

I shall proceed to slap my underlings with flaming trout to coax them along.

(SFHQ and Shinzon are both in my BC Division )

[F9th0mega]

if only in private heheh

Ill back FW up on that, this ship, is truly a jaw dropper. like the SNS galaxy for BC, this thing is a legend

[ModelsPlease]

Oh BTW folks...throw those WIP pics oout the window. She looks nothing like that now. Her new textures are uterly amazing  . GAFY? has truly outdone himself.

[IndyShark]

That is one fantastic model! Great job

[F9th0mega]

That is one fantastic model! Great job

you truly have no idea

[GotAFarmYet?]

The first pictures in the thread are the actual model before the texture changes, along with some minor mesh repair. The seconds sets that I put up are the orginal Chabot model with some different textures for fun about what was looked at and failed to catch the attention we were looking for wit hthe project. I beleive Fallen Warrior will be providing some screen shots of the testing we did later. They will not show the ship clearly but will give the general idea. Renders are being done of the final ship version that will be used once the ship is released for you r viewing pleasure.

All the SFC versions are done (2 & 3) and the BC one has been converted. Since all the versions will be launched at one time, we are now waiting the BC one to be finished.

-GAFY?

[F9th0mega]

does that mean i can post pre lim renders? (almost current )

[GotAFarmYet?]

there are current renders being made that will be released with the ship. But the best person to ask will be Cent about anything being released as this is his project and the release shots were with his approval.

[F9th0mega]

heheh ill just wait then

but DAYM GAFY? nice work on those textures

This will look so much nicer in BC...

[GotAFarmYet?]

Thanks.

but back to business 
[Chant mode on] Renders, Renders, Renders [chant mode off]

Come on man gives renders while we wait for the BC version to be completed, after all it is the hold up at this point. Give me something to see...
Ok, give me something more to see, ( remembered I actually have the ship and the textures, Duh )
Think it is time to build the que of downloaders, all you need after that will be a countdown clock until the release.

-GAFY?
just stirring the pot.

[GotAFarmYet?]

You guys have humps!?!

See all that time at the computer is bad for you if you don't keep the proper posture.

[ModelsPlease]

You guys have humps!?!

See all that time at the computer is bad for you if you don't keep the proper posture.

 

[Centurus]

You guys have humps!?!

See all that time at the computer is bad for you if you don't keep the proper posture.

For me, if I'm not tinkering with ships and the game, then I'm usually doing something "educational".  I don't have a hump, but I do have some raw skin on my hands.  *whistles*

[ModelsPlease]

You guys have humps!?!

See all that time at the computer is bad for you if you don't keep the proper posture.

For me, if I'm not tinkering with ships and the game, then I'm usually doing something "educational".  I don't have a hump, but I do have some raw skin on my hands.  *whistles*

 

[GotAFarmYet?]

You guys have humps!?!

See all that time at the computer is bad for you if you don't keep the proper posture.

For me, if I'm not tinkering with ships and the game, then I'm usually doing something "educational".  I don't have a hump, but I do have some raw skin on my hands.  *whistles*

 

And the sudden need to sleep afterwards as well

[Centurus]

Sleep?  What's that?  Finals are killing me.  Someone take my finals for me, please????

[GotAFarmYet?]

Saw the new pic hiding out at BC, so it is getting closer now.

[F9thDawg]

I cant wait much longer guys. hurry up!

[Centurus]

*smacks Dawg with a rubber chicken*  She'll be released soon enough.  *hands Dawg some coffee*  In 2 days at the most I will make a decision to either have the BC release go forward, with animation and spec maps to be done as a separate download in the future, or not.  I can't make a decision now since I have final exams to attend to today and tomorrow.  Plus, this gives the person behind the spec maps and animation time to get back to me about that.

It's happening soon, I can assure you of that.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

I cant wait much longer guys. hurry up!

It will be done soon.. Its finally working in BC, so it wont be much longer.. but its done when its done

[Sochin]

OK you horrible lot stop teasing the community at large and stump up some screenshots.

[F9th0mega]

there are a few at sfc3files, outalance.battleclinic.com , and im not sure where else... theres a BC WIP at BCU as well

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

OK you horrible lot stop teasing the community at large and stump up some screenshots.

Well there are still a few modification needed to the Chabot, so it would look a little differnet then the final product(depending on how picky you are on model details/textures ) . Once the final texture modifications are in, then its just the HP and Beta Testing.

[Centurus]

Our spec map/animation man for BC has received the updated BC model, and I've been informed that things should be completed soon.  I know, delays are not only a pain in the ass, but unfortunately it happens.  I don't think anyone involved in the BC project has ever tried to port a ship from SFC to BC, but I could be wrong.  Also, with MS3D giving some problems, and having to learn porting using 3DS Max 3, you're certainly going to hit some bumps along the way.

As I said before, the SFC version is finished, and ready for upload, but only when the BC version has been released.  There are certain reasons why I am doing things this way, reasons I cannot discuss here in forums, but they are good reasons. 

I haven't given up on this project.  Through everything that's happened, this ship, above all others I've done, must be finished and released, and it will.

Oh, and there are sneak peeks over at Outalance, SFC3Files, Trek Online, and in the BCU WIP thread, as stated earlier.

[jayvt3]

so when is this beauty going to be ready for dowload???

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

so when is this beauty going to be ready for dowload???

Hopefully within the next 7 days.. depends on how it does in beta testing.

[Adonis]

Our spec map/animation man for BC has received the updated BC model, and I've been informed that things should be completed soon.  I know, delays are not only a pain in the ass, but unfortunately it happens.  I don't think anyone involved in the BC project has ever tried to port a ship from SFC to BC, but I could be wrong.  Also, with MS3D giving some problems, and having to learn porting using 3DS Max 3, you're certainly going to hit some bumps along the way.

As I said before, the SFC version is finished, and ready for upload, but only when the BC version has been released.  There are certain reasons why I am doing things this way, reasons I cannot discuss here in forums, but they are good reasons. 

I haven't given up on this project.  Through everything that's happened, this ship, above all others I've done, must be finished and released, and it will.

Oh, and there are sneak peeks over at Outalance, SFC3Files, Trek Online, and in the BCU WIP thread, as stated earlier.

Well dude, if someone who has a Max3.1 with the exporter working properly, and an hour of free time, I'd animate the Chabot to death, so not even NASA's supa-dupa computer wouldn't be able to run it lol...so, we'll just do'em buzzard collectors...but you can't win'em all whise men say...da specular maps are on da way, and the icon is 'bout to be rendered outta max as soon as the spex are done...

[Centurus]

I think what he's trying to say is that we're getting close.  Not sure.  Universal translator isn't working, and my mind is mush.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

translating... stand by...
Important Info:
==>>> Spec Maps are on their way along with the icon<<<==
Secondary Information:
He wants to spec map it so much that not even all the computers in the world could run it together

[Centurus]

Ahhhh ok.  *grabs a shotgun and loads it with nuclear rubber chicken bullets and begins shooting at his engineering staff for not fixing the universal translator*

[Sochin]

Gents had a look on BCU and couldnt find screenshots so be a pack of darlings and provide the comodore with some eye candy before I start dishing out latrine detail!!!

[wulf111]

try here Sochin

http://outalance.battleclinic.com/

[F9th0mega]

the last page (or 3rd?) on BCU has an in game BC shot of it over a station pseudo script and HP though

cant check as im at school and its blocked here is a possibly pseudo link

http://bridgecommander.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=21870&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60&sid=f3cc15e67d434550097e60cd11c1f5d6

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Its page 3

[GotAFarmYet?]

Was thinking about that more excelsior looking version I think I just might do that one up as well once I finish the last project I accepted and have been stalling on.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

OK, well the HPing is pretty much finished now. Just some tweaking left to do and to balance it into BC correctly.. however, pretty much all the major issues have been fixed

[ModelsPlease]

Was thinking about that more excelsior looking version I think I just might do that one up as well once I finish the last project I accepted and have been stalling on.

Are you talking about my ship ? 

[GotAFarmYet?]

the one that I looks TOS no matter what I do, yes

[ModelsPlease]

the one that I looks TOS no matter what I do, yes

hehehe 

[I, Mudd.]

the one that I looks TOS no matter what I do, yes

Hey, sounds like a winner to me!

 

I, Mudd.

[Sochin]

Bump for news

[F9th0mega]

its all in the hands of cube, for spec maps for BC, and SFHQ for scripting it in to BC

[Centurus]

The scripts for the BC version are all but done.  Shinzon was going to test out the ship icon I made, but he never got back to me.  Cube and I spoke about the specular maps, but again, he hasn't gotten back to me.  When SFHQ gets back from his leave, I am going to talk to him to see if he can get any progress made on the BC version.  It's the only thing holding up the SFC release, for personal reasons.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

I am back from leave.. basically the Spec Maps(Cube) and Weapon Placement Icons(Shinzon) are all that is left for the BC version.

[Darkseid]

I've been gone too long, I never seen this one.  Can anyone say "Terran Empire".... 

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Spec Maps appear to be done

[ModelsPlease]

WOOHOO won't be long now 

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

All thats left really is some final HP tweaks

[ModelsPlease]

 

[Darkseid]

I love this ship and can't wait to see her finished.  The original was always pretty sweet but this is movie quality.  I took this pic, my favorite shot of her, and played with it on Irfanview and I think it came out like it did come out of a movie.

[GotAFarmYet?]

She doesn't look like that pic anymore, very much different now.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Indeed.. much different indeed

[Darkseid]

So when are we going to get to see this new sexy beast?  And what is going to look like?  Galaxy style or Sovereign style or a new style all together?

[ModelsPlease]

So when are we going to get to see this new sexy beast?  And what is going to look like?  Galaxy style or Sovereign style or a new style all together?

She's got a style all her own. 

[Darkseid]

I want to see, REALLY, really badly 

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Well the thing holding us back is the Tactical Display.. keeps crashing in the TDE, so we are having to fix it step by step.. I spent a good part of yesterday trying to fix it... were very close though... only the Readme and the TD needs to be finished.

[Shinzon]

i showed some of the pics i took in BC of the ship, and showed them to Centurus...

suffice it to say, he was impressed

[Sochin]

Shinzon come on share dont leave us all in suspense.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Tactical Display Completed and fixed..
TO DO:
Readme
Ship Description

[Centurus]

The readme you can just make a BC readme, saying who did what in the conversion to BC.  The ship description, I tried.  I can't make one.  You can use the background story for the ship that I made for SFC, but someone needs to get it into a working format that BC can understand.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Readme finished, and the Ship Description is a TGL format, but it will require that people have BC Mod Packager installed to install the TGL into BC... :S

[Darkseid]

So I guess that all that's left is to show a picture so we can all wet ourselves and break our jaws on the floor?

[Centurus]

It's coming.  Keep a fresh pair of underwear handy.

[GotAFarmYet?]

or for some of you start wearin underwear.

I am curious to see how this ship looks in BC, I know how it looks in SFC 2 and 3. so looks like it might be before the christmas season after all.

[Darkseid]

I look forward to that time.  Maybe I should get more into character.  I don't think Darkseid would ever wet himself, nor speek of it.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

Chabor Refit finished.. just passing some final testing then its good to go.. should be uploaded to BCfiles today.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

OK, its been submitted to bcfiles

[ModelsPlease]

OK, its been submitted to bcfiles

Sweet !!!!!!!!! Now release the SFC versions 

[Darkseid]

She is a magnificent vessel.  I look forward to seeing her in my fleet.  Tell me, how does she fit, size wise, compared to the Excelsior and Sovereign class vessels?

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

You shall see

[Centurus]

I need to get hold of mdcobbin.  He usually uploads the ships that I submit.  I never submit the ships to the SFC3Files e-mail addy because they've always come back as undeliverable.  In the meantime though, I'm going to upload it to Outalance.  When the ship is finally posted on BCFiles, then I'll make the link available for the SFC version.

[FCM_SFHQ_XC]

BCfiles link to the Chabot Refit:
http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/Chabot;66497

[Centurus]

F_W, first chance you get, if you see this message before you log onto MSN, get hold of me on IM first thing please? 

I want to get this started off right.

[GotAFarmYet?]

One of those looks like it went through a purple dye marker.

[GotAFarmYet?]

hehe yeah its more of a blue GAFY

Just wondoering how many of the blended colours I had in the textures washed out when you did that?
Don't know how they would come out, they tend to disappear if you were not careful doing the hue shift.

[GotAFarmYet?]

The hue Shift is how I blended allot of that colour in. Most would be surprised at the colour hidden in there Greens, Purples, Blues, Reds, Browns and alittleYellow.. Using hue shifting I paled them into the overall gray look for the ship. It is that pale nature that makes them easy to disappear if you are not careful. But it also looks as though you shifted the whole texture including the metallic areas in one shot. The BurnessedGold and Bronze probably will need shifting back or in another direction, they would go to Yellow for the Blue look I think.

[darkthunder]

I downloaded the black version of the Chabot from BCFiles. And man is it awesome. Is it possible to get blank's of the registry textures, to create a more personalized Chabot?

Also, will the blue colored version be released at some point? I figured the black version would be more of a frontline battlecruiser or something, whilst the blue colored version would be during peacetime doing exploration, and more towards the science.

[Centurus]

I want the ship to be out for a while before I release the blanks, but I will release the blanks.  And the blue version, just needs some minor tweaks here and there to help differentiate it from the standard production.

[GotAFarmYet?]

Anything I can do to help?

[Centurus]

In which area would you like to help?  I certainly wouldn't pass up an invitation for help.

As for the blanks, I'll release them, but as I said, I want the ship to be out for a while.  And for the blue variant, only changes that I can think of is modification of SFC3 specs to reflect the loss of two sets of impulse drives and 2 additional shuttle bays. 

Not sure how much more F_W has to go on the blue panel variant.