Topic: Symantec's Genesis to Usher in a New Age of Trust? (Read 6359 times)

Mr_Tricorder · « **on:** February 03, 2006, 08:44:30 am »

I first saw this on Slashdot
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/03/0527220

which links to this article at pcmag
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1918142,00.asp

It looks like Symantec is trying to reach a new level of bloat and system hijacking all in the name of "security".

Bonk, be sure to get up and walk around in between paragraphs so you can vent. I wouldn't want your head to explode while reading this.

Bonk · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2006, 09:28:21 am »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on February 03, 2006, 08:44:30 am

Bonk, be sure to get up and walk around in between paragraphs so you can vent. I wouldn't want your head to explode while reading this.

ROFL... I'll be sure to take a look at this when I get back from town today. I'll be careful not to over pressurise.

Bonk · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2006, 06:25:40 pm »

From the pcmag article:

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Symantec executives showed off a mock-up of a search engine results page where each hit was accompanied by a Symantec-branded safety rating.

Ack! Twitch... Spasm...

* Bonk ...gets up, walks around, vents...

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Symantec's tool will replace IE7's protections with its own improved defenses

Ohhh... Peter must hate Bill even more than Steve does...

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To address concerns that the company hasn't always been responsive enough to technical support issues, Genesis will include free online chat as well as email and phone support

I'll believe that when I see it... frickin 1-900 phone sex crap is cheaper than Norton's current support scam.

* Bonk ...gets up, walks around, vents...

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Trollope acknowledged that performance causes some users to stop using the tools. "If customers are turning us off, we're not giving them any protection,"

Pressure increasing... nearing critical... ohoh.... KABOOM!

* Bonk wipes brains of monitor, drools in stupor...

I'd sooner use this Genesis device on my PC... probably do less damage:

Javora · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2006, 06:48:12 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on February 03, 2006, 06:25:40 pm

From the pcmag article:

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Symantec executives showed off a mock-up of a search engine results page where each hit was accompanied by a Symantec-branded safety rating.

Ack! Twitch... Spasm...

* Bonk ...gets up, walks around, vents...

I'd hate to see the load times on those searches...

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To address concerns that the company hasn't always been responsive enough to technical support issues, Genesis will include free online chat as well as email and phone support

Quote from: Bonk on February 03, 2006, 06:25:40 pm

I'll believe that when I see it... frickin 1-900 phone sex crap is cheaper than Norton's current support scam.

* Bonk ...gets up, walks around, vents...

Hopefully I'll never have to buy another product from Symantec again.

Nemesis · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2006, 06:58:18 pm »

I'm beginning to get the impression that you guys don't exactly worship at the altar of Norton Utilities.

Javora · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2006, 07:12:32 pm »

Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 03, 2006, 06:58:18 pm

I'm beginning to get the impression that you guys don't exactly worship at the altar of Norton Utilities.

LOL

What ever gave you that idea??!? The last time I bought Norton Internet Security it wouldn't even work correctly on my system. Had to manually turn on the antivirus in the system tray each time I booted the system, and sometimes I couldn't even get that to work.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2006, 07:53:00 pm »

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Trollope acknowledged that performance causes some users to stop using the tools. "If customers are turning us off, we're not giving them any protection,"

I'm still trying to figure out where it says that they're addressing the performance issues that cause customers to "turn them off". Packing as many different repressive, invasive, and memory-intensive "security" features as you possibly can in one package is NEVER a good idea (unless you like the idea of spending the better part of the day waiting for a usable desktop to finish booting up, applications to open, and webpages to render). This cancerous infestation of PC cholesterol will never get the chance to clog up my system. I'm avoiding this one like the plague.

I only hope I can convince my dad to do the same. The last time I was home, I tried using the family computer, which took 20 minutes from pressing the power button to allowing me to browse the internet. Granted, it's an eMachines with a Celeron processor and 128 MB of RAM, but that's still rediculous, and I whole-heartedly believe that it's because he put Norton System Works on it. He can't seem to understand why I say Norton is so bad when "every place he's worked in recent years uses it". The worst part is, he's not computer illiterate. He is very behind-the-times, though. He knows how to build a computer, but he's never messed with anything Pentium II and up hardware-wise. Norton may have been a good option at one point in history, but things are very different now.

Sirgod · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2006, 08:11:46 pm »

Hey I want to know how Bonk Knows about my Phone Sex Scams!!!!

Stephen

E_Look · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2006, 08:26:04 pm »

I used to LOVE Norton Utilities in DOS machines and in Windows 3.11. As soon as Win 95 or 98 came around, it seemed to me Norton began to "lose something". It took away utilities I actually used, like File Compare, File Date, etc. and replaced them with nothing.

And by the time Win XP rolled around, Norton Systemworks... and even its plain Antivirus... became mammoth pieces of software, with trunks and hairs rooting everywhere in your hard drive.

Finally, over a year ago, I uprooted everything Symantec from my systems. *snif* I do miss the Norton Utilities of old, however; the old Disk Doctor saved my neck more than once or twice.

In fact, a friend asked me to look at some bad Zip disks. No go on any drive I could get my hands on. Boy, I miss the old NDD and the strong possibility that it could repair the disk.

Nemesis · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2006, 10:09:23 pm »

Quote from: Javora on February 03, 2006, 07:12:32 pm

Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 03, 2006, 06:58:18 pm
I'm beginning to get the impression that you guys don't exactly worship at the altar of Norton Utilities.

LOL

What ever gave you that idea??!?

It just seems that all your postings have a subtle undertone of dissatisfaction that my keenly trained Klingon senses can't help picking up on.

Javora · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2006, 11:44:37 pm »

Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 03, 2006, 10:09:23 pm

Quote from: Javora on February 03, 2006, 07:12:32 pm
Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 03, 2006, 06:58:18 pm
I'm beginning to get the impression that you guys don't exactly worship at the altar of Norton Utilities.

LOL

What ever gave you that idea??!?

It just seems that all your postings have a subtle undertone of dissatisfaction that my keenly trained Klingon senses can't help picking up on.

*Snicker*

I must admit though Norton Ghost did save my butt when a power spike corrupted my operating system about six months ago. However there is no way I'd ever leave that thing running in background. Aside from that I won't touch another Symantec product and I've told them as much.

Nemesis · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:04:49 am »

Quote from: Javora on February 03, 2006, 11:44:37 pm

I must admit though Norton Ghost did save my butt when a power spike corrupted my operating system about six months ago. However there is no way I'd ever leave that thing running in background. Aside from that I won't touch another Symantec product and I've told them as much.

I used to use Drive Image and it saved my butt once (an IE update hosed my system so I couldn't access the Internet) as well as making things easier several times, then Symantec bought them out. I really don't like corporations being bought out/merged when they are healthy - it removes competition and I very much approve of competition.

Javora · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2006, 01:58:31 pm »

Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 04, 2006, 09:04:49 am

I really don't like corporations being bought out/merged when they are healthy - it removes competition and I very much approve of competition.

Then I'm guessing that you must hate the fact that hard drive maker Seagate has bought out Maxtor a couple of months ago.

http://www.networkingsmallbusiness.com/newsletters/stor/2006/0102stor2.html?page=1

Nemesis · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2006, 01:59:37 pm »

The Ghost mention got me looking for Free Software equivalents.

The Ultimate Boot CD

The Ultimate Windows Boot CD You need an installed XP to make this one.

Sirgod · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2006, 02:03:57 pm »

Dude, that's awsome. The only Norton Product I had remaining was Norton Ghost, Now we can wish It a Bye bye on my system.

You Rock Nem.

Stephen

Nemesis · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2006, 02:16:40 pm »

Quote from: Javora on February 04, 2006, 01:58:31 pm

Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 04, 2006, 09:04:49 am

I really don't like corporations being bought out/merged when they are healthy - it removes competition and I very much approve of competition.

Then I'm guessing that you must hate the fact that hard drive maker Seagate has bought out Maxtor a couple of months ago.

http://www.networkingsmallbusiness.com/newsletters/stor/2006/0102stor2.html?page=1

Significantly annoyed, especially since all my HD are Maxtor.

When a company is failing and gets bought out because they can't survive I have no problems with that. When a company is bought by another that is not in the same field I also have no problems with that. Neither remove competition. When Symantec bought out Norton that I objected to because they were healthy competitors. Most of Symantecs growth has come from buying competitors, that I disapprove of.

Where I live one of my pet peeves is bookstores, Coles bought its competitors, a new one was founded (Indigo) which then bought Coles - result no competion. Get interested in history and go to Coles and you will find some things you can't buy. For example you can't buy Mein Kampf. Middle Eastern History is now almost all modern terroism and of course a separate Jewish History section. I used to buy certain computer magazines that Coles stocked, once competition was reduced they ceased to be stocked because the volume was too low. They used to stock those magazines to draw people in away from the competitors, now why bother, if your going to a bookstore your going to Coles. If an author does not sell in high enough volume he is gone. Which means that I don't get the same selection I used to.

Competition good. Monopoly bad.

Nemesis · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2006, 02:21:20 pm »

Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on February 04, 2006, 02:03:57 pm

Dude, that's awsome. The only Norton Product I had remaining was Norton Ghost, Now we can wish It a Bye bye on my system.

You Rock Nem.

Stephen

It was that comment by Javora about using Ghost that got me thinking and looking. It just goes to show how much is out there if you only think to look.

I haven't tried those CDs, I just found them and being on dialup I have yet to attempt the download. If anyone does test them and has any comment on them I would like to hear about it. I'll have to add them to the revised Free Software list that I just posted. Too bad I did the update before finding these

.

Javora · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2006, 02:29:54 pm »

Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 04, 2006, 02:16:40 pm

Significantly annoyed, especially since all my HD are Maxtor.

When a company is failing and gets bought out because they can't survive I have no problems with that. When a company is bought by another that is not in the same field I also have no problems with that. Neither remove competition. When Symantec bought out Norton that I objected to because they were healthy competitors. Most of Symantecs growth has come from buying competitors, that I disapprove of.

Where I live one of my pet peeves is bookstores, Coles bought its competitors, a new one was founded (Indigo) which then bought Coles - result no competion. Get interested in history and go to Coles and you will find some things you can't buy. For example you can't buy Mein Kampf. Middle Eastern History is now almost all modern terroism and of course a separate Jewish History section. I used to buy certain computer magazines that Coles stocked, once competition was reduced they ceased to be stocked because the volume was too low. They used to stock those magazines to draw people in away from the competitors, now why bother, if your going to a bookstore your going to Coles. If an author does not sell in high enough volume he is gone. Which means that I don't get the same selection I used to.

Competition good. Monopoly bad.

I agree whole heartedly, I don't have the problems with book stores yet but I see it coming. Right now I'm hoping that Seagate will take the best from both companies and bring them together. I would really like to see Seagates 5 year warranty and reduced sound emissions with Maxtor's speed and access times. I know that is not likely but I can still dream.

Nemesis · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2006, 03:04:00 pm »

Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on February 04, 2006, 02:03:57 pm

Dude, that's awsome. The only Norton Product I had remaining was Norton Ghost, Now we can wish It a Bye bye on my system.

You Rock Nem.

Stephen

Here is another.

g4u - Harddisk Image Cloning for PCs

E_Look · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2006, 05:52:13 pm »

Okay, Ghost-type backup software is fine, but is there any (freeware) equivalent to the old Norton Disk Doctor? I mean, you don't have to keep the "repaired" floppy or Zip disk, but if it can make it so you can retrieve your data from the disk, then you can throw away the bad disk!

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