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Offline Julin Eurthyr

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Questions on small-ship draws
« on: January 24, 2006, 02:35:19 pm »
After today's operations in a F5L, with my previous experiences, I'm starting to wonder what we've done...

Today, my F5L was drawing FD7s, D7s, and other asst. heavy / new heavy cruisers.  Remember, this is a "Battle Frigate"-sized ship pulling CAs...  If not for Type IV drones and paper-thin nebula-shields, I'd be dead right about now...

Conversations with my housemates indicates that this is not an unusual phenomenon this server.

Meanwhile, on AOTK II IIRC, my I-FF (no refits, just 2xPl-F, 4xPh-1 and 15 power) was set against a Lyran BCH!!!

While I haven't heard an F5 going up against a C7, I'm starting to wonder if our new improved mission sets effectively makes the FF-sized ship obsolete (can't complete a mission solo), or is this just a side-effect of the "balance against the extra-strong ISC", of which we're borrowing their interface...
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2006, 02:37:14 pm »
Which missions? EEK, ED or TG?
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2006, 02:47:33 pm »
Quote from: Bonk on January 24, 2006, 02:37:14 pm
Which missions? EEK, ED or TG?

At least EEK, seems to be just about every mission though...
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2006, 02:53:20 pm »
Hell and I tyhought it was just me you'd hard coded the nasties on :)

I fly little ships most of the time. G2Cs have been pulling 50% to 100% more BPV (as an example) but bigger ships D7K and D5L same size or only around 20-25% larger.

Trying to kill and FWL in a G2C is tricky but is a regular occurence. I have NEVER had an even draw in a ship under 70 BPV.

I thought it was Evil Dave as he muttered something about special codings for Jinn and Hexx :)

Seriously small ships do seem to have a problem, maybe it is because so many have been R'd out, I dunno merely speculating.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2006, 02:55:22 pm »
it seems to be every mission. My F5-L has been pulling almost all D7-Cs and Ls. An odd D-6 for a break.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2006, 03:33:47 pm »
This is typical behaviour for EEK missions, shouldn't be for ED or TG missions. Server is set to commodore difficulty.

Lyrkiller complained of this on The Forge. I pulled the EEK missions, then everyone complained the missions were too easy. I increased the difficulty to admiral, still too easy...

Damned if you do, damed if you don't...

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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2006, 03:55:49 pm »
I dont know what you can do :huh:

Last night I spent about 4 hours flying in the nebs with eather a F5L or a FWL

About 90% of those missions were EEK misions. On those missions I was pulling FD7s, D7Ls or D7ks
The other 10% were TG missions where I would usualy draw D5C and a F5 Vs Me and a E4 or F5 AI help
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2006, 04:49:30 pm »
Bonk difference on this one is we HAVE to use small ships in nebs and that affects landgrabbers more than Pvp houses, sothere is an argument to tone it down.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2006, 04:52:24 pm »
get a wing. not trying to be an A$$ here but that is about all you can do with out pulling the missions
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2006, 05:06:29 pm »
Quote from: Gook on January 24, 2006, 04:49:30 pm
Bonk difference on this one is we HAVE to use small ships in nebs and that affects landgrabbers more than Pvp houses, sothere is an argument to tone it down.

Ya, I just noticed that in the rules... the EEK missions might have to go.  :-\
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2006, 06:08:00 pm »
could we reduce the number of EEKs so that we can have the EEKs for pvp ai free drafting?
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2006, 10:53:37 pm »
Here's the thing, from my viewpoint:

EEK missions are great for the PvP crowd (AI stripping), and should be kept this time because of the PvP focus on the server.

Being that EEK missions have (for some reason) typically overbeared the ED and TG missions, this does pose a problem for the small-ship crowd.

Don't the EEK missions draft based on ship class?  Usually the FFs / DDs tend to wind up in the "freighter" category now, and I'm wondering if that could be a bit of the problem...
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2006, 11:42:16 pm »
Quote from: Bonk on January 24, 2006, 05:06:29 pm
Quote from: Gook on January 24, 2006, 04:49:30 pm
Bonk difference on this one is we HAVE to use small ships in nebs and that affects landgrabbers more than Pvp houses, sothere is an argument to tone it down.

Ya, I just noticed that in the rules... the EEK missions might have to go.  :-\


Or that rule needs to change.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2006, 01:05:21 am »
I don't think it is limited to EEK missions. As I said above I have bnever had an even draw in a ship under 70 BPV. The last daw I had last night (gmt) before the server went down was an E4CR v D5K no chance at all.

As for getting a wingman that rather defeats the object of having the sooped up AI in the first place and the situation adversely affects the solo player. As for not "pulling" missions as it affects PvPers, think of the effect on people who want varied play.

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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2006, 07:08:16 am »
Quote from: Gook on January 25, 2006, 01:05:21 am
I don't think it is limited to EEK missions. As I said above I have bnever had an even draw in a ship under 70 BPV. The last daw I had last night (gmt) before the server went down was an E4CR v D5K no chance at all.

As for getting a wingman that rather defeats the object of having the sooped up AI in the first place and the situation adversely affects the solo player. As for not "pulling" missions as it affects PvPers, think of the effect on people who want varied play.



You have a very valid arguemnet for pulling the EEK missions though I disagree about every side not being equally screwed.

If Hexx says yes, they will be pulled.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2006, 07:38:52 am »
Quote from: KBG-K'hunt on January 25, 2006, 07:08:16 am

You have a very valid arguemnet for pulling the EEK missions though I disagree about every side not being equally screwed.

I think who gets screwed most is not a side, but the player who is on at times different from the other members of his House and can't find a wingman.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2006, 07:53:38 am »
Instead of scrapping the missions just raise the Nebula limits for ships to Light Cruisers (.67) or even heavies.

A D5L can deal with most AI in those missions.  I think the missions are more challenging  now that what I remember it being.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2006, 07:55:40 am »
I do tend
 to agree with you guys on this im just thinking that if they are pulled there goes a big part of the fun for alot of people. I hope this can be fixed to the satisfaction of all.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2006, 08:10:30 am »
Hexx says No.

Well actually Hexx will use some of his insanely limted time signing on and flying small ships
into nebulas. If he wins, he'll post screenshots and laugh at everyone who's posted here.
If he loses, then obviously the mission draw is incorrect (and likely bugged as well)
and he'll do something cool to solve any issues.

Won't be until this afternoon though. Do laundry or something until then.
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Re: Questions on small-ship draws
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2006, 08:16:53 am »
I like your relaxed attitude dude.  :thumbsup:

I vote for increasing the movment cost rule to 2/3, it preserves the feel of it and should rectify the situation with minimal adjustments. (pulling too many missions on the flatfile without editing the missionlist in the db [a pain] can cause issues)

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