Topic: Unsticky Please

[Riskyllama]

Question for Hexx, is there a limit on challenges one can offer in a day, or can Krueg challenge eveyone as they log on for the first 3 days straight (assuming he beats everyone else to the punch).

[Bonk]

Fair warning: it takes nearly 10 minutes for gamespy to download all of its ads over dialup before you can get into a lobby, then about a further 5 minutes for all the other crap to download before you can even see any rooms. So if challenged I would prefer direct tcp/ip games or on the dynaverse server to save everyone a lot of time, thanks.

[Green]

Fair warning: it takes nearly 10 minutes for gamespy to download all of its ads over dialup before you can get into a lobby, then about a further 5 minutes for all the other crap to download before you can even see any rooms. So if challenged I would prefer direct tcp/ip games or on the dynaverse server to save everyone a lot of time, thanks.

Nothing wrong w/ GSA games.  If challenged, that is probably where I'll play.  TCP/IP games can have problems too...no platform is perfect. 

[Dfly]

I also think there should not be any penalty for disengage/death rule on this one due to the points system for PvP and the no disengagement on accepting a challenge.  It may be a good testing ground to try it.  A PvP can be due to a challenge but not limited only to challenges.  Any pilot could be drafted into a PvP.  I am sure it would not hurt the TER pilots feelings if they knew they were not banned from a hex for a limited time but rather could go right back to it.  I am also pretty sure the PvP pilots would not fret over being able to return to said hex. 

Only limit I think could be used is on planets and surrounding hexes?

[Bonk]

Fair warning: it takes nearly 10 minutes for gamespy to download all of its ads over dialup before you can get into a lobby, then about a further 5 minutes for all the other crap to download before you can even see any rooms. So if challenged I would prefer direct tcp/ip games or on the dynaverse server to save everyone a lot of time, thanks.

Nothing wrong w/ GSA games.  If challenged, that is probably where I'll play.  TCP/IP games can have problems too...no platform is perfect. 

I'm just saying I won't play them because I'm just not willing to sit through the 15 minute wait for Gamespy to load. There are no megabytes of ads to download for a tcp/ip game. (which really is the identical game type as GSA anyway... try a StarFleetOP.exe -Host or StarFleetOP.exe -Client [IP address to connect to] to see... that is how gamespy calls SFC)

[Riskyllama]

OT:so you're saying we could connect into a GSA operated room if we knew the host's IP address?

[Dfly]

Yes, have done it often

[Bonk]

OT:so you're saying we could connect into a GSA operated room if we knew the host's IP address?

Not the GSA room, but the OP game connections setup phase once the host launches from gamespy. Gamespy simply launches a tcp/ip game as host for the host and passes the host IP to the clients for connection on launch.

Look at C:\Program Files\GameSpy Arcade\Services\full.cfg under [sfc2op] to see what I mean.

edit: you must be running the gamepsy client to chat in a gamespy room... er well almost... :
http://www.dynaverse.net/gslist.php
That page can display the IP address of the room hosts but I have disabled it for obvious security reasons.
You can see lobby chat there using the "Chat Lobby" links on that page but cannot particapate directly, but tells will work (double click a player name in the list on the lobby chat page)
Created using: http://aluigi.altervista.org/papers.htm#gslist

[KBF-Crim]

Ok Bonk...something to put on your "to do" list....

Build a chat roon here on DV.net that we can launch the game from...

[Bonk]

Ok Bonk...something to put on your "to do" list....

Build a chat roon here on DV.net that we can launch the game from...

I would need to create an exe or browser plugins for the different browsers for you to download to your machine and install so it can detect your OP installation folder and launch it when called for.

This it what the CUGS ACSIII system is all about, I was going to participate in its development but got tied up with the serverkit project and this website. I still want to check that out... (looking for the download link to post now...)

ah, here it is: http://www.r-pex.com/prod05.htm

[Pojo92]

...What does it mean to "rot fur?"  Have seen references to this in the past and was similarly clueless.  Just want to make sure I don't do anything to run afoul of the rules.

Thanks.

[Riskyllama]

It was explained to me as meaning to loose missions intentionally in ones's own space in order to allow allies a neutral hex to set up bases or planets in. I believe it refers to one of the kitty races having done it on one of the Canada west servers or something like that. The knowers of old will show up soon enough with the truth to this though.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Actual "Rotting Fur" was the practice of cheating by logging in as an enemy and intentionally losing missions to lower the DV of a hex.

Some have used the tag (incorrectly IMHO) to include losing a mission so that an ally can take control of a hex so as to place a base or take control of a planet (or for whatever reason). This practice has been allowed on many servers, as a representation of one ally turning over an area or facility to the administration of an ally.

I think Hexx is using this term to denote both practices, since even allies in the mechanics sense of KCW aren'treally allies.

[762_XC]

Don't bother Bonk. He's fixing SQL!

[Dizzy]

It's not about droners being contained as much as giving PvP a role in shaping the map.

This IS a valid point  , however I think the map will be so large and the territories so mixed that I'm not sure it will be a big factor, especially given the no LOS requirement and the lack of mandatory missions. 

Lets make sure the map isnt so big that having one account as per rules doesnt constantly force us to have to spend 10 mins just to move over to where the action is. Lets also make sure there are resupply points/embassy bases all over the map. Otherwise, some houses will be left with nothing to do but fight AI. That's whyt I still say do it all on the Cartel map. Everyone gets the same interface and everyone can resupply/repair at any planet base.

If you do that, the disengagement penalty could be applied for only those hexes. In addition, mandatory missions can be reinstated as supply wont be a problem and thus front lines and PvP areas can be resestablished and defined.

[Hexx]

Yeah.. but what my admittedly limited tests have shown is that on the cartel map
you respawn at the nearest base/planet.
So if you're fighting on or in the hex beside a base/planet and die, you'll respawn on
that base or planet.

I have a feeling that might cause some issues..

Besides the idea that there is going to be one center of attention that everyone is fighting over is
based on the normal servers where you have 2 sides fighting over the same planets.
This one has eight, so I think it will spread out a bit.

[Dizzy]

I have a feeling that might cause some issues..

explore that mb

Besides the idea that there is going to be one center of attention that everyone is fighting over is
based on the normal servers where you have 2 sides fighting over the same planets.
This one has eight, so I think it will spread out a bit.

Remember, only a quarter of the players signed up will be play much at all. And out of that only a fraction will be online at the same time. So if you further spread them out over 8 areas, well... Mise well play a SP game where we can all fly C7's.

[Hexx]

... Mise well play a SP game where we can all fly C7's.

I had actually planned on this... decided I wouldn't be able to trust t00l though..
<sigh> ruining the SP game for everyone...

[KBF-Kapact]

VC's, honor points, attrition points, etc, do not have the tangibility that affecting the map does. That is why they will never be a substitute.

With the current rules and no disengagment rule, there is no reason to enter PvP EVER, unless you are challenged. (And once you're done with your requisite daily fight it's right back to flipping).

Until SQL gets running and we can do multiple DV shifts, the disengagement rule is necessary.

I'm just trying to get something clear, and sorry if it's been explained before, but if I am in a PvP fleet, and I do some hex flipping, is that wrong? Or is it just worth less to my fleet in the long run?

[Hexx]

PVP houses will likley have to hex flip as well- they receive fewer points
for holding objective hexes, and more for PVP kills.
Theoretically it's possible (I suppose) to score so many PVP kills
that you wouldn't need to hold any territory, but then of course
your name would be Hexx and you'd already know the answer to the question.