Topic: Shiplists & Errors (Read 2174 times)

Hexx · « **on:** December 08, 2005, 04:58:12 pm »

OK, I was (am) under the impressiion that if I designate
the C7 as Restrcited (or whatever) the yards will not produce them
but the AI will happily use them to kill you fools

Dizzy's recent comments seems to suggest that this will cause errors?

Is this correct?
Could I get a (plain english) confirmation and/or explanation?

Plans must be made..

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2005, 06:57:24 pm »

It will cause errors but I would bnot worry about it.

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2005, 09:14:15 pm »

Quote from: KBG-K'hunt on December 08, 2005, 06:57:24 pm

It will cause errors but I would bnot worry about it.

Um...what KIND of errors?
As in frequent server crashes...?

Hexx · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2005, 09:17:07 pm »

Quote from: KBFLordKrueg on December 08, 2005, 09:14:15 pm

Quote from: KBG-K'hunt on December 08, 2005, 06:57:24 pm
It will cause errors but I would bnot worry about it.

Um...what KIND of errors?
As in frequent server crashes...?

Talked to DH, tis all cool
You can all go back to listening to "Dancing Queen" while pretending your Caesar's are Blood Wine now..

Dizzy · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2005, 12:09:38 am »

This is where DH an I disagree. Yes, you need to worry about DB errors. There is a direct correlation between the number of players online, the size of the DB (errors cause this to skyrocket exponetially when there are large player numbers), the number of forfeits that occur on the map by disconnects or intention or otherwise and the speed of the computer that is hosting the server.

After a while (hours or minutes), DB errors catch up to you and the server wont hold very many players before crashing.

Dont use a shiplist that spews forth DB errors. Dont do it.

Riskyllama · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2005, 12:15:14 am »

out of blatent curiousity, is KCW on sql or flatfile? or undecided?

FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2005, 11:14:27 am »

The serverkit needs at least one ship, per ship class, per era, available at all times, otherwise AI matching goes loopy. Shipyard production can be modified by class so that certain classes are less likely to show up. It is not even necessary to restrict the C7 if these gf file settings are done correctly. They must be tested with the current map and econ values. Ships higher than the a CA class can simply be priced out of range for the shipyard for the shipyard to produce. No database errors or shiplist fudging. Restricting ships from appearing in the shipyard is only viable when there are still other ships of the same class being produced. This is not strictly done by the server, as easrly era has no BC class ships, but you have DN class ships that are in the same BPV range to compensate. On KCW, we will not have this luxury.

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2005, 11:27:50 am »

Every GW server ran with these "errors" and they were stable with 40+ players.

FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2005, 11:35:37 am »

Quote from: KBG-K'hunt on December 09, 2005, 11:27:50 am

Every GW server ran with these "errors" and they were stable with 40+ players.

True, but KCW has far far less ships in the shiplist. We'll find out one way or the other if it works.

Hexx · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2005, 12:57:52 pm »

I'm a visionary...

Dizzy · « **Reply #10 on:** December 09, 2005, 02:05:27 pm »

Hexx, you're an idiot of u listen to DH. Listen to what me and tracey are saying or u'll frack it all to hell.

If you are getting confused, here's what you do: Take FS's Klinks, copy and paste them in all the cartels stock shiplist and then rename their race name and first letter ship designations. Mission test to make sure C7's dont draw dreads and CA's dont draw C7's. Fudge bpv's where you can get away with it.

Very simple Hexx... Want me to do the shiplist? Take me 30 mins for an error free job. And whatever you do, dont use FS's master list, just copy and paste the FS klinks into a stock list. And use SG5 bases, FRD's and DEF's.

What you dont want to involve the shiplist with is this: Price out of range all the BC and DN crap and change the build probability for those ships so they wont show in the yards. Hexx, you cant simply go editing thru the shiplist like you are picking pumpkins. Your pie will reek.

Dfly · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:57:16 pm »

Oh Dizzy there you go again calling Hexx and DH idiots. Wish you all could get along without the namecalling.

Strat · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2005, 06:31:43 pm »

Whew,

Is there a reason Diz Almighty has no followers?

(Just pickin Diz)

Hexx · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2005, 06:41:48 pm »

Hey!

Leave Diz alone!
He's trying to help, he did offer to do the list

And more importantly, the poor guy's
just trying to talk himself up before facing me with equal ships
on the server.

Dizzy · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2005, 07:17:41 pm »

No, I'm just making sure MY race will have more reloads.

And yes, I am the Dyna_Almighty... Hell, I'm gonna go register that name... What I say is law.

For you diz-pickers, I didnt tell Hexx what ships to use or add/cut/modify/(mutilate), only the technical aspects of the whole lot. The flavor is all up to the chef... But yes, he does have to use regulation size pots and pans and an approved oven, thank you very much... jeez.

Dizzy · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2005, 07:25:07 pm »

Quote from: D'Emon Fly on December 09, 2005, 05:57:16 pm

Oh Dizzy there you go again calling Hexx and DH idiots. Wish you all could get along without the namecalling.

BACK! Off with you, inciter of all things foul! If there were embers awaiting a stirring you'd be the best of the lot of em to do it! Back! Back! Away with you four stirrer of flame!

DH and hexx are no more idiot like than I. Away with you before I give my gunnery chief your location.

Dfly · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2005, 08:04:20 pm »

Braxton_RIP · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2005, 02:57:30 am »

Quote from: Dizzy on December 09, 2005, 07:25:07 pm

Quote from: D'Emon Fly on December 09, 2005, 05:57:16 pm
Oh Dizzy there you go again calling Hexx and DH idiots. Wish you all could get along without the namecalling.

BACK! Off with you, inciter of all things foul! If there were embers awaiting a stirring you'd be the best of the lot of em to do it! Back! Back! Away with you four stirrer of flame!

DH and hexx are no more idiot like than I. Away with you before I give my gunnery chief your location.

And this. students, is why admining dyna-servers is classified as a psychosis.

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