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Offline Dash Jones

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This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« on: November 11, 2005, 12:45:00 am »
For the record I DO not pirate games.

I'll cover why it would prevent me from buying a PS3 in a second.


http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23921409

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Rumor: PlayStation 3s won't play borrowed, used, or rented games
Source: A series of sources conveniently amalgamated by Joystiq.

The official story: "We have made no official statement regarding coding for PS3 games."--Sony spokesperson.

What we heard: Given the billions of dollars it sinks into its movie, music, and games divisions, it's little wonder Sony is big on digital rights management. The company has implemented anti-copying measures for years and has admitted it has been installing cloaking rootkits to hide DRM programs. (It has since issued a patch to remove the rootkit.)

Those familiar with Sony's CD DRM practices were unsurprised when Joystiq reported that the company has patented DRM software that could prevent PlayStation 3s from playing used or borrowed games. The site cites US Patent #6,816,972, which is for "a device and method for protection of legitimate software against used software and counterfeit software in recording media." Specifically, the patented technology would verify that when software was inserted into a "machine" (read: console), it was registered to that machine. If it couldn't, the technology would prompt the machine to shut down, preventing the software from being accessed.

Such measures would be fine and dandy, were they targeted at pirated software. But the patented tech--which bears the name of Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi--is specifically designed to prevent used software from being sold. "Since only titles for which legitimate software has actually been purchased and which have been initially registered in the machine table can be used, resale (so-called used software purchase) after purchase by an end-user becomes practically impossible," it reads. Such measures would also prevent lent or rented software from being played.

But would Sony incorporate technology from Patent #6,816,972 into the PS3? On one hand, doing so would guarantee that each gamer would buy a new copy of each PS3 game, theoretically meaning bigger sales to help defray the steep cost of next-gen development. It would also remove the PS3 from the used-game trade, a market from which Sony gets no revenue.

However, there would be some major drawbacks to implementing Patent # 6,816,972 technology into the PS3. It would mean forfeiting the rental market to Microsoft's Xbox 360. Though there are signs that the game-rental stories are in decline--Blockbuster Video is reportedly shopping around its GameRush subsidiary--Netflix-esque services like GameFly are gaining in popularity. Then there's the fact that many people can't afford to buy a whole lot of games. When presented with a choice between a console that does play rented games and one that doesn't, which way do you think they'll go? There's also the risk of sparking a blacklash like the one currently raging over the BMG DRM rootkit.

Bogus or not bogus?: Sony has the technology, but it's too early to tell if it will use it.



Several reasons there why it would stop me.

First...I DO rent games to play...and if it won't play rentals...that's a HUGE strike against it...but not quite as huge a strike as the next item...

If the PS3 ever dies and I have to buy another one, there's NO freakin way I'm going to pay to buy every single game I own all over again just because of that.

I've been heavily anti-Xbox but I'd rather buy an Xbox 360 before spending any money on a hunk of junk which will cause me to lose all my games the second it dies.

Guess I'll buy two or three PS2's for back up so I can play my old PS1 and PS2 games and if this PS3 comes out with this stuff...I'll predict they'll come out with strong sales at first...but lose out BIG time in the long run, probably losing EVERYTHING they've gained in the market up until now...which would mean that the vacancy might be filled by Nintendo or Xbox, perhaps Nintendo could make a comeback if they don't kill themselves with their own innovative ideas of controllers, though if the PS3 does this, with the Xbox 360 being backwards compatible, if they could come up with some more Japanese RPGs to appeal to the Eastern areas of the World more...they could really dominate the market as Sony kills itself and finds out that such an act could potentially destroy it's game business.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2005, 06:57:15 am »
What the hell man? thats like shooting themselves in the ankle, HARD.
Game rentals is teh serious business  >:(
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2005, 05:52:11 pm »
Yeah, no kidding.  I don't own a console at the moment, but back when I did I used rentals as a preview system for a lot of games.  I would rent them for a while, then if I was convinced it was worth it I would go out and get it (except for the occassional ones that I knew about without renting).  After Nintendo's announcement went out I thought they were dead in the water, but now I'm thinking they have a chance to grab some of the marketshare back.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2005, 07:53:54 pm »
You know, I suddenly think I've seen the end of my Final Fantasy gaming days... which started back on the NES with FF1.

A RENTAL copy of FF1.

Screw Sony if they do this. They'll die out quick and painful.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2005, 12:13:30 am »
Well, if Sony DOES do this, I think they'll lose a LOT of business...or I hope they do and everyone will learn what happens if they decide to take anti-piracy so that they screw legit customers REALLY hard.

At that point, FF might do what they did when Nintendo insisted on using cartridges and dishing FF in the N64 days...switch to another console.

I'd imagine since they've done three FF games for nintendo in the past 2 years (final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced, and Final Fantasy 1&2 (remakes) that it would be Nintendo then, but if Xbox takes over the Sony's market it might have a slight chance of switching to Xbox.

Just because Sony does something stupid doesn't mean all the companies making games for them are...and Square Enix have typically been pretty smart in their business decisions.

on that note, playing Dragon Quest VIII and have you tried the FFXII demo yet?
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2005, 06:41:55 am »
Quote from: Dash Jones on November 12, 2005, 12:13:30 am
on that note, playing Dragon Quest VIII and have you tried the FFXII demo yet?

I can't do either... some crackhead stole my PS2 when they broke into my place while I was on duty for Hurricane Katrina. >:(
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2005, 07:05:52 am »
Wow talk about handing the console business to Microsoft on a silver platter.   :o   ::)
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2005, 12:45:14 pm »
And how long do you think it'll take for someone to circumvent this "protection"? I give it 3 days, max from the time the first skilled person gets their hands on it.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2005, 12:59:05 pm »
Quote from: Iceman on November 14, 2005, 12:45:14 pm
And how long do you think it'll take for someone to circumvent this "protection"? I give it 3 days, max from the time the first skilled person gets their hands on it.

And they would be breaking several laws in a very visable and easy to prove way, Ice. It would still mean the end of rented PS3 games, as no business in their right mind would subject themselves to that kind of liability.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2005, 11:39:02 am »
Who said anything abour rental places doing it?

They're not breaking any laws by renting you the games.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2005, 01:07:54 pm »
Considering the price of the PS3 and how much the games are 'rumored' to cost, I can't see why anyone in their right mind would buy one except for the irrevocably fanatic.  They'd lose just about all of their third-party support.  It would push the PS3 back to where the Gamecube is now, lol.

I don't think they're stupid enough, and if they are...well it was fun while it lasted, see you guys on the 360 and Revolution.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2005, 05:40:44 pm »
The $60 price point won't last. If you remember, Nintendo did that for a while with N64 games, and it didn't stick. Besides, it's all rumor until we see it on shelves.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2005, 10:48:52 pm »
Quote from: Iceman on November 16, 2005, 05:40:44 pm
The $60 price point won't last. If you remember, Nintendo did that for a while with N64 games, and it didn't stick. Besides, it's all rumor until we see it on shelves.


Ice, $60 prices will stick as long as they sell.

Remember, $50 games have stuck with the PS2.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2005, 10:58:23 pm »
Assuming my financial status was stable enough to purchase "Next Gen" consoles, I believe this would be one more reason why I wouldn't get a PS3, other than the reason that I would usually go for a Nintendo one, as I had been for over a decade now, though I stopped with console/portable games after the GameCube because my financial status didn't suggest it and I'm going backwards in time; what with older games for consoles I have; even the PC.  Though I still have to remind myself to get the rest of my old N64 games from old friends and give it to a little cousin of mine, whom I gave my N64 to.

I might go for a DS if I wanted to buy a new game system (either portable or console)... What would you guys reccomend for this biased little kid (referencing my times from the 1990s) who used to wear a red cap and shirt with blue overalls (occasionally during Elementary school)?
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2005, 12:13:22 am »
Get a gameboy plugin for your gamecube so you can play the Gameboy games on your Gamecube, then you can play games like Afterburner, Sonic, Final Fantasy ! and 2, Breath of Fire, Phantasy star 1-3, Lunar, and others on your Gamecube if you can the game cartridges, either that or a PS2 currently can play a lot of the rereleasd RPGs that were released for PS1 on it.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2005, 09:09:49 am »
Also, it's all but confirmed that the Nintendo Revolution will be able to play older games (GC,etc).

That said, the GBA addon for the gamecube is NICE. 
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2005, 08:51:03 pm »
The last console game I owned was the old origional nintendo way back when.

PC games are fine for me.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2005, 06:41:20 pm »
There are many reasons why i will get a ps3 when they come out, the main reason is that the Playstation brand tends in my view to have the best selection of games. With the PS2 i believe you had a wider and more diverse range of games in comparison to the other consoles.

Sure some of the games were ported over to the other consoles, but this took time, take the GTA series which i believe has been the best series of games on any of consoles in recent times, it took several months for it to be released on the other formats.

Going back to the article that Dash posted i agree thats its a stupid move by Sony to prevent rental games being played on the console and if this does indeed go through then Sony will lose a lot of dedicated customers who have been buying their consoles over the years.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2005, 04:32:25 pm »
Wow, I can't think of a new system that isn't going to be bad.

I heard this PS3 thing (along with a lot of other crap about Sony anti-piracy technology that is disturbing)

Nintendo Revolution is just weird

I guess X-Box 360 is the best, although its probably gonna cost too much and not have too many games.  I guess that's why I mostly play computer games, but now I have to upgrade my computer (I guess I can't catch a break anywhere ;) ).

Actually, I take it back, there is one area that hasn't failed me.  Old games.  I can get old Super Nintnedo or Sega Genesis games and they are just as fun as they ever were.
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Re: This would definately prevent me from buying a PS3
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2005, 12:53:34 am »
Quote from: J. Carney NCC-18401 on November 16, 2005, 10:48:52 pm
Quote from: Iceman on November 16, 2005, 05:40:44 pm
The $60 price point won't last. If you remember, Nintendo did that for a while with N64 games, and it didn't stick. Besides, it's all rumor until we see it on shelves.


Ice, $60 prices will stick as long as they sell.

Remember, $50 games have stuck with the PS2.

...and the PSOne, and a ton of Genesis and SNES games and 90% of all PC games.


See my point?
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