Topic: OT: Anyone else play MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries?

[KBFLordKrueg]

Interested in some IP games with 762, Frey and I?
And you may want to check out this:
http://mektek.net/

[KBF-Crim]

Game traitors

[KBFLordKrueg]

Gotta have something to kill in between campaigns...

[KBF-Crim]

Gotta have something to kill in between campaigns...

I kill beers...

[OlBuzzard]

yes ...

I have most of the MW-4 series  ( I think I'm missing the last one ) ..  Hmm  that IS Mercenaries ..   right ?

NUTS!

[KBFLordKrueg]

yes ...

I have most of the MW-4 series  ( I think I'm missing the last one ) ..  Hmm  that IS Mercenaries ..   right ?

NUTS!

Yeah...but, you can pick it up for $10 or less (US) these days.
They even have a Compilation pack, with Vengence, Black Knight and Mercs for less than $20.
And the new downlaodable Mech Paks more than double the number of mechs to choose from. 

[Hexx]

yes ...

I have most of the MW-4 series  ( I think I'm missing the last one ) ..  Hmm  that IS Mercenaries ..   right ?

NUTS!

Yeah...but, you can pick it up for $10 or less (US) these days.
They even have a Compilation pack, with Vengence, Black Knight and Mercs for less than $20.
And the new downlaodable Mech Paks more than double the number of mechs to choose from. 

Hmm just found one of the packs for (used) $210.49 (Canadian) on amazon..
Either the exchange rate has gone way south in the last 24 hours or..

[KBFLordKrueg]

yes ...

I have most of the MW-4 series  ( I think I'm missing the last one ) ..  Hmm  that IS Mercenaries ..   right ?

NUTS!

Yeah...but, you can pick it up for $10 or less (US) these days.
They even have a Compilation pack, with Vengence, Black Knight and Mercs for less than $20.
And the new downlaodable Mech Paks more than double the number of mechs to choose from. 

Hmm just found one of the packs for (used) $210.49 (Canadian) on amazon..
Either the exchange rate has gone way south in the last 24 hours or..

Um..keep looking...or that's a huge typo.
Tool got his pack for 10 bucks off Amazon..

[OlBuzzard]

yes ...

I have most of the MW-4 series  ( I think I'm missing the last one ) ..  Hmm  that IS Mercenaries ..   right ?

NUTS!

Yeah...but, you can pick it up for $10 or less (US) these days.
They even have a Compilation pack, with Vengence, Black Knight and Mercs for less than $20.
And the new downlaodable Mech Paks more than double the number of mechs to choose from. 

I'll see what I can do on the way home from work  ( yeah!  I'm stuck here again ..  Isn't being in mamagement fun?  LOL)

BTW...   if I can get my hands on it ..  can you zip up the DL for me ..   I'm still stuck on dial-up and as I understand it that DL is a biggie !

[likkerpig]

Got mercs around here somewhere but none of the expansion packs.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Check this site out for more add-ons, MekPaks, maps, etc.
Download the updates in order.
Hours of download fun...
http://mektek.net/
And here for tons of new maps:
http://www.newbattlefields.com/files.php

It's not to bad if you're on Broadband. 

[KBFKrotz]

Hmm, I got rid of my copy during my recent move last month  ...that MekNet needs to get some cool Jade Falcon designs such as the Night Gyr, Turkina, Fire Falcon, and Black Lanner (the stock game already has the Cougar, from what I can recall).

[OlBuzzard]

Hmm, I got rid of my copy during my recent move last month  ...that MekNet needs to get some cool Jade Falcon designs such as the Night Gyr, Turkina, Fire Falcon, and Black Lanner (the stock game already has the Cougar, from what I can recall).

hmmm

I wonder if it's possible to use some of our programs to build a new model ...  that would be cool !

( and yes ...   it has crossed my mind more than once recently )

[KBFLordKrueg]

Hmm, I got rid of my copy during my recent move last month  ...that MekNet needs to get some cool Jade Falcon designs such as the Night Gyr, Turkina, Fire Falcon, and Black Lanner (the stock game already has the Cougar, from what I can recall).

MekTek has come out with many familiar designs...
WarHammer, Marauder, Black Lanner, Behemoth, ShadowHawk, Dasher... to name but a few.
The lastest Mod pak (MP 3) has 29 new mechs alone. 
There's a list somewhere on the forums on their site.

MekTek is to MW what the D2 modders are to SFC.
They've taken over all the updates and new mech designs since MS has announced it won't come out with any more of the MW series.

If you like Mercs, the mekTek MechPaks are a must! 
And, best of all, they're all FREE downloads...but they are rather large. (MP 3 is 257 MB)

[likkerpig]

Urgh... not really sure what I'm supposed to download... lots o' stuff there
Yes, before you ask, I've had a cocktail or two....

[KBFLordKrueg]

First, make sure you have the MicroSoft patch, PR-1 from their official site:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/mw4mercs/
Then to the MekTek site;

Go to the downloads area..to Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries...then to Merc Expansion packs...then download this one:
  MekPak PR1 to MP2.1a - English   
Description: Updates from Microsoft's PR1 patch to MekTek's MP2.1a. English versions only.
Version: 1 Filesize: 1 bytes
Added on: 06-Nov-2004 Downloads: 41352 Rating: 7.4 (7 Votes)
HomePage | Rate Resource | Details | Editorial

Then go back to the main page of MekTek, there you'll see a link to download the MP 3.

I also got these Maps from the "Maps" aera:  Maps - MS Official (11)     
                                                               Maps - Mercs - MekTek ( 8 )
                                                               Maps - Mercs - Converted Veng/BK (19)

From the New BattleFields site, I just got the Full installer, which has a bunch of maps and missions lumped together.
The Co-Op missions are excellent!

And We're using the Dynavers.net teamspeak server (teamspeak.dynaverse.net, pw is sfcrulz), you'll see the MechWarrior room.

[likkerpig]

Cool beans LK... gotta do some cookin' then I'll get onto it.
Sigh, need a woman again... man shouldn't have to do his own cookin'!
 

[KBFLordKrueg]

At least you always get to eat what YOU want...not try something she found is some stupid magazine...

[likkerpig]

Lord 'tunderin' jesus that was a heap o' downloadin'!
Now to install it all... configure the joystick... remember how to play the game again... heh, I'll check teamspeak tomorrow.
Hey, if the wifey is cooking out of Martha Stewart's Living magazine... well it has to be good, coming from the goddess!
Now if it is from some other rag... maybe an anchovie pineapple goat cheeze cassorole... eh, I'd pass.

[OlBuzzard]

I have to run some more errands this afternoon ..  I should be going to Best Buy and another Wal Mart  hopefully one of them will have it.  No luck so far.

[762_XC]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002VRP7S/qid=1131286272/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-7719824-3681541?v=glance&s=videogames&n=507846

5 left!

[Hexx]

<sigh>

Looks like it's illegal to ship a video game north
Which is kinda odd as I know we have the same versions.

Ah well, it would have been cool to blow t00l up in yet another game, I'll start
scouring the city tomorrow.

[Dfly]

<sigh>

Looks like it's illegal to ship a video game north
Which is kinda odd as I know we have the same versions.

Ah well, it would have been cool to blow t00l up in yet another game, I'll start
scouring the city tomorrow.

I have received several video games from peops in the U.S. and I am north of the border.  I think it is just because Hexx is involved 

[KBF MalaK]

I thought pirates moon (MW3) was the best but I'll tool up mercs for a few more games. This mean another league is gonna start up ???



-=HS=-Maddogk  Lt.Gen(ret)Company Commander LCAF 14th Davion Guards (Scarlet Guards)
<S>

[KBFLordKrueg]

Well, there is a Mercs league...but I'm not in any league.
We just like to blow s*** up! 
There are many online servers that aren't league games. 

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Hmmm.... have the weapons damage been un-frakked?

I got it but it pretty much killed the game when only large weapons do any damage....

[Hexx]

OK now that there's the remote possibility I'd get to hunt t00l AND Bear,Likkerpig, ...I really must pick it up..

So is Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries the actual game?
Or is it an expansion pack? (seems to be listed as an expansion?)
Basically if I can't find the compilation pack , what do I need to buy?

[KBFLordKrueg]

Mercs is a stand alone game...

[KBF MalaK]

Hmmm.... have the weapons damage been un-frakked?

I got it but it pretty much killed the game when only large weapons do any damage....

I didn't notice that problem, but again I won't take an AC5 or smaller if I can help it. My personal mech was an awesome with 3 clan PPC's so a hit with that will put most mechs down.

[762_XC]

Ha, wait til you see some of the cheese in the MekTek mod.

[FA Frey XC]

Hexx, I am disappointed that I wasn't even mentioned in that hunting comment.

So, I'm throwing down the gauntlet, Clan style -

YOU, ME, MECHS and a MAP.

Be there, or be square !!!!

[Hexx]

Hexx, I am disappointed that I wasn't even mentioned in that hunting comment.

So, I'm throwing down the gauntlet, Clan style -

YOU, ME, MECHS and a MAP.

Be there, or be square !!!!

I know this seems like a poor excuse,
but I haven't found a copy of the game yet .... 

[FA Frey XC]

Ummm, Hexx :

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&catref=C6&fstype=1&from=R10&satitle=mechwarrior+4+mercenaries&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=75042&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1&fsoo=1

That excuse is no longer valid !!!

[OlBuzzard]

Ummm, Hexx :

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&catref=C6&fstype=1&from=R10&satitle=mechwarrior+4+mercenaries&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=75042&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1&fsoo=1

That excuse is no longer valid !!!

I'm not haveing any luck either ..   but I'm a crusty old fart and hate handing out credit card stuff over the internet !

[Hexx]

Uhmm as much as I'd love to pay shipping from europe, still
looking for it locally  

If all else fails I'll just have amazon send it to one of my friends in the
states. Then thye can forward it to me.
Sure the FBI might arrest them, but hey
isn't that what friends are for?

[KBF MalaK]

We'll have to hope that we can abide by some of the old league rules- 30 points damage per salvo (all missles)
i.e. 3XLRM 10's, 2XLRM 15's, and such. I never found a use for long tom's so I don't know how to count them.

[OlBuzzard]

Uhmm as much as I'd love to pay shipping from europe, still
looking for it locally  

If all else fails I'll just have amazon send it to one of my friends in the
states. Then thye can forward it to me.
Sure the FBI might arrest them, but hey
isn't that what friends are for?

 


and all this time I thought that devotion, friendship, and concern for one another was a lost virtue !

[KBFLordKrueg]

Uhmm as much as I'd love to pay shipping from europe, still
looking for it locally  

If all else fails I'll just have amazon send it to one of my friends in the
states. Then thye can forward it to me.
Sure the FBI might arrest them, but hey
isn't that what friends are for?

If you find a copy, I'll do that for you, Hexx. 
Oh..wait..that means I have to give you my mailing address...
*note to self: get P.O. box ASAP* 

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Hmmm.... have the weapons damage been un-frakked?

I got it but it pretty much killed the game when only large weapons do any damage....

I didn't notice that problem, but again I won't take an AC5 or smaller if I can help it. My personal mech was an awesome with 3 clan PPC's so a hit with that will put most mechs down.

Well, if you played the previous games or the pen & paper/table top game it is based off of... you will notice that in the latest incarnation of the Mechwarrior, the med sized weapons do the damage of small weapons (from the table top/previous MW series) and the small weapons do about 1/10th of that.

I will have to check out the mektek.

BTW, the chain guns ROCK!!!!

[FA Frey XC]

Chain guns, you mean RAC's ?

[KBF MalaK]

all of my league days were on MW2 (registry, TKZ) and mercnet the only reason to take a small projectile weapon is to fill unused spaces on your mech. It's a waste to take 8 machine guns as they didn't share ammo in mw2 so you'd have to take 8 tons of ammo for you MG.s 8 tons plus .5tons(each gun)=12 tons, when an AC10 (7.5 tons) and 4 tons ammo will do it quicker and cheaper.

[OlBuzzard]

all of my league days were on MW2 (registry, TKZ) and mercnet the only reason to take a small projectile weapon is to fill unused spaces on your mech. It's a waste to take 8 machine guns as they didn't share ammo in mw2 so you'd have to take 8 tons of ammo for you MG.s 8 tons plus .5tons(each gun)=12 tons, when an AC10 (7.5 tons) and 4 tons ammo will do it quicker and cheaper.

Better knock down too if combined with the proper energy weapon.  ( I prefer long range high energy weapons, a fast mech, and on accasion if the mech has enough room ...  a good Gaus[sp?] rifle.  )

[Hexx]

<sigh>

Amateurs

The only thing that matters is that the Mech look cool
Marauder & MadCat for teh win!

[KBF MalaK]

madcats and marauders are easy game, aim for the legs
warhammer, (if you got the pack) or Uzeil with jumpjets. I prefer the maddog (vulture) but again- chicken walkers have weak legs.

[OlBuzzard]

madcats and marauders are easy game, aim for the legs
warhammer, (if you got the pack) or Uzeil with jumpjets. I prefer the maddog (vulture) but again- chicken walkers have weak legs.

to a degree ...   but then again ...  depends on how fast ya move ..  and if ya can shot from the hip while on the run at full throttle !

 

[J. Carney]

I like the MechTech pack.

It has my Urbie in it.

I LOVE the Walking Trashcan of Doom!!!

[KBFLordKrueg]

You guys with the MekTek pak, look for us on TS in the MW room. 

[Lepton]

Is this closer, Hexx?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mechwarrior-4-Mercenaries-PC-NEW_W0QQitemZ8228406816QQcategoryZ62053QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Quebec Ebay store.

20 bucks.

[Hexx]

.....

OK peeps, if everyone keeps throwing sites where to buy it at me my\
excuses for avoiding Frey are gonna start to wear a little thin....

Thanks! lepton- I could have sworn I looked at all the Ebay sites, dunno how I missed that one.

Fortunately (?) after literally being laughed at when i called some of the local EB stores
looking for it, I stopped in at one I hadn't called.
Lo and behold, one last copy of Mercenaries sitting there on the shelf.

Soon, soon I shall be as feared in a Mech as I am in a CWLP...

[KBF MalaK]

.....

OK peeps, if everyone keeps throwing sites where to buy it at me my\
excuses for avoiding Frey are gonna start to wear a little thin....

Thanks! lepton- I could have sworn I looked at all the Ebay sites, dunno how I missed that one.

Fortunately (?) after literally being laughed at when i called some of the local EB stores
looking for it, I stopped in at one I hadn't called.
Lo and behold, one last copy of Mercenaries sitting there on the shelf.

Soon, soon I shall be as feared in a Mech as I am in a CWLP...

 

[762_XC]

Soon, soon I shall be as feared in a Mech as I am in a CWLP...

I have no doubt. <snicker>

[KBF MalaK]

here's the mercs patch site.

http://www.gamershell.com/download_1521.shtml

 I couldn't get it from microsoft. Ill try and get the IS pack by tonight.

[OlBuzzard]

Any chance anyone can tell where to get the patches for MW-3.  I have not been able to play that one since I switched to XP. 

Frankly most of the sites dont have it ...  I've tried a couple ... but to no avail.

[762_XC]

I didn't think MW3 ran on XP.

[OlBuzzard]

ummm

I just heard there was a patch ...  and supposedly, if ya check the right forums ...  ( I dont always  have the time to research as I'm at work all the time ...   even now) there is a patch to correct the problem with Winblows XP.

if ya stumble across it ..   could ya please post.   There were some features about it that I  liked better than MW-4.

thanks

[762_XC]

Really? I didn't like 3 at all.

[OlBuzzard]

Damage and texture details in some cases definitely better.

the mechs in 4 are a little better ..  and a better variety.

But, I have always liked better details.

BTW...  There are some things about SFC OP that I like better than SFC-3.

3 has a better selection of ships for the races that are there ...   but OP has some a better selection of races.

(At any rate before we get OT here ...  )

I would deeply appreciate it if anyone can find anything on the MW-3 patch for XP.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Any chance anyone can tell where to get the patches for MW-3.  I have not been able to play that one since I switched to XP. 

Frankly most of the sites dont have it ...  I've tried a couple ... but to no avail.

It won't run on XP. Even with the 98 compatability mode. I tried and tried, it won't go...

[KBF MalaK]

Damage and texture details in some cases definitely better.

the mechs in 4 are a little better ..  and a better variety.

But, I have always liked better details.

BTW...  There are some things about SFC OP that I like better than SFC-3.

3 has a better selection of ships for the races that are there ...   but OP has some a better selection of races.

(At any rate before we get OT here ...  )


I would deeply appreciate it if anyone can find anything on the MW-3 patch for XP.

I may have it on my puter at home, but try looking here:

http://www.ntcompatible.com/Mechwarrior_3_c5984.html

I'll let you know if I have it.

[KBF MalaK]

Ya, I was on a bit late, and I'm not just some 'noob' Mr. Frey. I got TS set up properly finally and was waiting to get into a game but nobody gave up the IP number. Will someone PLEASE enable the text option on Dyna's TS server so others know I'm alive until I get a mic.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Ya, I was on a bit late, and I'm not just some 'noob' Mr. Frey. I got TS set up properly finally and was waiting to get into a game but nobody gave up the IP number. Will someone PLEASE enable the text option on Dyna's TS server so others know I'm alive until I get a mic.

Text messages will work on TS, but you have to be able to SEE the text message, something you can't always do if you're in a gameroom.
Another advantage of Ventrillo...you can simply type a message and you hear a computerized voice repeat your text message for all to hear...

[Kzinbane]

This was a while back but at one point I had a few players from here playing Alien vs Predator on GS.  That was a blast.... there is nothing like biting the head of someone you know vs a complete stranger!

[KBFLordKrueg]

Hexx, you get all the proper patches, updates, etc?
Need practice?
Check this other posts in this thread for all the updates, etc.
Let us know when you're set up and we can do some Co-Op missions together with Tool and Frey if you want.

[Hexx]

LOL got the game, grabbed the updates.

Soon as I can figure out why panthers are tearing my Marauder to pieces
I'll be around..
(and why I can't hit a bloody thing with missles)

[KBFLordKrueg]

Um...a 35 ton, lightly armed and armored mech is whipping you in a 75 ton mech...? 
Missles on a Marauder...? 
Put some PPCs and a LBX 10 on that bad boy and watch the Panther crumble...

[Hexx]

Actually the answer so far seems to be pulse lasers..
Need ...more...xpulse lasers..

[KBFLordKrueg]

Actually the answer so far seems to be pulse lasers..
Need ...more...pulse lasers..

Pulse Lasers are rapid fire, but low damage. Good for some situations, yes...
But, as far as damage ratio to tonnage of weapon combined with heat generated, PPCs are, IMO, best for almost any situation.
Xpulse are better than regular pulse, but, the heat generation is tremendous and require careful use or you'll overheat frequently.

[Hexx]

Ahhh..

But wheras I KNOW I miss with AC's/Gauss/PPC's..
the pulse lasers at least give me the illusion that I'm hitting the target..

[762_XC]

Pulse lasers are for n00bz!!!!1!1!!!!!

[KBFLordKrueg]

Ahhh..

But whereas I KNOW I miss with AC's/Gauss/PPC's..
the pulse lasers at least give me the illusion that I'm hitting the target..

With ACs, Gauss and PPCs, you have to slightly lead moving targets...faster targets require more lead.
They do take a little practice to get used to, for sure.
Lasers require very little lead as they travel to the target faster.
But the ACs, Gauss and PPCs pack considerably more punch.

[762_XC]

3 words Hexx.

Linked Capacitor PPC's.

Yeah baby.

[KBFLordKrueg]

3 words Hexx.

Linked Capacitor PPC's.

Yeah baby.

And the Marauder and WarHammer are some of the few Mechs that can carry them.
Just like the Pulse lasers, tho...heat can be a big factor in a continuous firing situation.

[762_XC]

Oh big time. You need about 25+ heat sinks to run a pair, at least to fire continuously.

I found those coolant pods work well with them too.

[FA Frey XC]

Ya, I was on a bit late, and I'm not just some 'noob' Mr. Frey. I got TS set up properly finally and was waiting to get into a game but nobody gave up the IP number. Will someone PLEASE enable the text option on Dyna's TS server so others know I'm alive until I get a mic.

Umm, I don't recall calling anyone a "noob" Mr. Malak.

If you'd care to clarify, just PM me.

Now, Hexx, regarding Pulse Lasers, trust me on this...you HAVE to learn ballistics lead. It is ESSENTIAL that you learn how to fire ballistics in this game. I heard t00l bitch about the missile lock on time for LRMS, but I have found when you are using the reticle zoom you lock on considerably faster. As well, with the Mod we're running you've got LRM's + Artimus, which makes lock ons almost immediate with the appropriate mech.

Hexx, take a mech with RAC2's and go distance shooting at a fast moving light mech - the "continuous" fire rate of the RAC2 will allow you to get the "feel" for ballistics lead time, but I wouldn't stop there, practice with the AC10's and 20's - because AC20's especially are multiple shots - meaning to get the full damage potential of the AC20, you've got to make sure all the slugs hit - not just the first one or the last one.

Try Streak SRM if you really want some drone...err missiles on your mech don't want to wait for a lock on. The Clan S SRM is like 4 tons, and does reasonable damage per heat. Having multiple energy based weapons don't have the "punch" that the larger ballistics do...and that can make all the difference.

[762_XC]

The Streak Medium's (SMRM) are nice too - heavy bastards but they do a buttload of damage and better range than the SRM's.

[OlBuzzard]

IMHO ..   I prefer a balance ...

A few high energy weapons ..   BUT DEFINITELY balanced with some ballistics.  I prefer the energy weapons that are faster reloading with less heat (if possible ..  depending upon the mech class).  I really love the Gauss ! While it's a more precise weapon ..   the damage to tonage ratio can not be ignored.

As for the "X" pulse ....   for get them.  The damage might be good ..   but the amount of heat/damage to rapid reuse ratio is waaaaaaay off.  IMHO that renders them useless unless you have someone covering your backside while your mech cools down in between reloads.

(Hard to believe Ol Buzzard would actually be in DISfavor of an "X" weapon ...  )

 

[KBFLordKrueg]

How about all of us, Me, frey, t00l, Lear, Ol Buzzard, Malak,  J. Carney NCC-18401, BearSlayer, LikkerPig and, Oh, what the heck...even Hexx... Meeting on TS and trying out the Co-Op missions (7 in all)  together...? And anyone else, of course.
First...(All this assuming you have a fresh install)
Make sure you have the MS update here:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/mw4mercs/
If you have the 2 MS "MechPacks", install them at this point. 
Then download this update from MekTek:
http://www.mektek.net/download.php?op=getit&lid=569
And then this update, also from MekTek:
http://www.mektek.net/projects/mp3/
And then download the Full Installer from the New Battlefields here (this one gives you the Co-Op missions) :
http://www.newbattlefields.com/files.php

Now..that wasn't so bad...was it...?
Let's say about 9 PM EST (Time Negociable) Sat night? (As in today... )

Any takers...?

[KBF MalaK]

great idea. I'm patched but have to pick up a joystick sat., but I'm IN. See ya there.

[762_XC]

Piggy and Lear showed up for a few games tonight. 

[KBFLordKrueg]

Piggy and Lear showed up for a few games tonight. 

Figures...
I didn't get on until late, by then no one was on TS...

[Hexx]

I'll probably be watching the game tonight, but I'll stop
by to let someone kick me around for a bit.

I *will* be taking names however, anyone who tharshes
my mech will be in for it whenever we get a server up.

[OlBuzzard]

Sorry guys ..  I just read this.  I have yet to secure a copy of Mercenaries.

Kinda frustrating !

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Good thing it is pay day.... found the joystick... it was between my legs *rim shot*

No seriously.... found my MW4 but I don't have the Mercs cd... Got the box.... got the cd case.... can't find the cd...... so I will buy the set this afternoon, it is only like $20 @ Wally world......

Need to go fix some stuff, will be on later....

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

K, cooking with crisco now....

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Maybe not... anyone else use a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB joystick?

Worked great on Win98.... not working at all on XP....

[Lepton]

I think you will need to download something from Saitek site.  There was something I needed with my Cyborg EVO stick but I can't remember what it was.  And if you don't have the stick programming software, I would get that too.

[Lepton]

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/supp/cyborg3d_support.htm

Windows 2000/XP

We're afraid that this product is not directly supported under Windows 2000/XP; it was discontinued in production some time ago and as a result will not receive any more driver updates. Due to changes in the way drivers work under 2000 and XP we, just like Microsoft, will only be supporting our current USB-connected devices from now on. You can add it as a 6 button joystick w/POV and throttle (remember to tick the Enable Rudder/Pedals box when you do) and that will get the stick working with all but four of the base buttons. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience

[KBFLordKrueg]

Maybe not... anyone else use a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB joystick?

Worked great on Win98.... not working at all on XP....

Hmm, bummer. Have a Saitek X45 myself, had to download new drivers to get it to work on XP.
Hope ya get it working. 

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Taking FOREVER to dl the thing..... I am crawling along at a whole 3 kb/sec.....

And it is a 30 MB file.... sheesh.... only a few minutes to go now...

Or it is gonna be keyboard and mouse....

[Lepton]

Maybe not... anyone else use a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB joystick?

Worked great on Win98.... not working at all on XP....

Hmm, bummer. Have a Saitek X45 myself, had to download new drivers to get it to work on XP.
Hope ya get it working. 

X45?  You fly flight sims, Krueg??  I fly IL2:Pacific Fighters myself.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Up and running...

[KBFLordKrueg]

Maybe not... anyone else use a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB joystick?

Worked great on Win98.... not working at all on XP....

Hmm, bummer. Have a Saitek X45 myself, had to download new drivers to get it to work on XP.
Hope ya get it working. 

X45?  You fly flight sims, Krueg??  I fly IL2:Pacific Fighters myself.

I only have MS's Combat Flight Sim 1&2.
Got the X45 mostly for MW...

[OlBuzzard]

Maybe not... anyone else use a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB joystick?

Worked great on Win98.... not working at all on XP....

Hmm, bummer. Have a Saitek X45 myself, had to download new drivers to get it to work on XP.
Hope ya get it working. 

X45?  You fly flight sims, Krueg??  I fly IL2:Pacific Fighters myself.

I only have MS's Combat Flight Sim 1&2.
Got the X45 mostly for MW...

The X-45 ROCKS !

 

[KBFLordKrueg]

How about all of us, Me, frey, t00l, Lear, Ol Buzzard, Malak,  J. Carney NCC-18401, BearSlayer, LikkerPig and, Oh, what the heck...even Hexx... Meeting on TS and trying out the Co-Op missions (7 in all)  together...? And anyone else, of course.
First...(All this assuming you have a fresh install)
Make sure you have the MS update here:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/mw4mercs/
If you have the 2 MS "MechPacks", install them at this point. 
Then download this update from MekTek:
http://www.mektek.net/download.php?op=getit&lid=569
And then this update, also from MekTek:
http://www.mektek.net/projects/mp3/
And then download the Full Installer from the New Battlefields here (this one gives you the Co-Op missions) :
http://www.newbattlefields.com/files.php

Now..that wasn't so bad...was it...?
Let's say about 9 PM EST (Time Negociable) Sat night? (As in today... )

Any takers...?

Bumping this post..

[KBF MalaK]

Maybe not... anyone else use a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB joystick?

Worked great on Win98.... not working at all on XP....

What drivers did you use with the 98 config ?? was it the ones on the CD that came with it ? The ones on their website are way old too and it would  lose its center occasionally too. Luckily I keep an old flightstick as a backup.

Anyway, if XP is anything like 98 you may be able to force the 98 drivers into XP but im not sure. Is XP not recognizing the *.inf as a legit driver file ??

[OlBuzzard]

Seems like there is a patch for the driver ..  It's been over a year now since we got the DL ..  can't remember for certain.  I know Best Buy still sells them ..   ya might check and see.  If there is a new up-dated patch it might be a good thing for those of us who have the X-45 to know.

thanks in advance

[KBFLordKrueg]

For the X45, I had to download and run the XP driver, even said NOT to run the disk that came with it, use the downloaded driver instead. But it all worked great after I did that, and haven't had any issues.

And had a blast yesterday playing MW with Lear, Likkerpig, Knob, Tool, Frey, and BearSlayer. Malak said he should be good to go in the next day or so. Now if we could get a few more online at the same time, maybe we can finish those Co-Op missions without getting killed. 
After some have gotten the hang of it more, maybe we can even start teaming up and having player vs player battles. 

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Oh, I think we did alright on the PvP battles.

I wonder if Frey's head still hurts from that DFA shot I hit him with!

Got the stick working again also....

[Hexx]

Should be ready next time you guys go.
Downloaded the New Battlefields full install thing &
kept getting some error message about 16bit OS when trying to run it.
Finally downloaded it again and it installed fine.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Cool! Come on TS and look to see if we're in the MW room, we'll do some of the Co-Op missions sometime.
I mean, it's not like they got T-Bombs in this game or something. 
Even had Reejr come on as I was logging off.
We might get enough for some good fights yet. 

[FA Frey XC]

Oh, I think we did alright on the PvP battles.

I wonder if Frey's head still hurts from that DFA shot I hit him with!

Got the stick working again also....

Are you on drugs again? When did you do a DFA on me last night?

I think you are just dreaming again, Bear !!!

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Hmmmmmmm...... lessee....

I jumped up..... I shot you in the head...... you went B00M!!1!11!

Am I just crazy or does that sound like a DFA to anyone else?

[Hexx]

Hmmmmmmm...... lessee....

I jumped up..... I shot you in the head...... you went B00M!!1!11!

Am I just crazy or does that sound like a DFA to anyone else?

You've got to land on his head with your feet ... no shooting

[KBFLordKrueg]

Hmmmmmmm...... lessee....

I jumped up..... I shot you in the head...... you went B00M!!1!11!

Am I just crazy or does that sound like a DFA to anyone else?

You've got to land on his head with your feet ... no shooting

I saw ya join and quickly leave TS...why didn't you  come on down...?

[Hexx]

Hmmmmmmm...... lessee....

I jumped up..... I shot you in the head...... you went B00M!!1!11!

Am I just crazy or does that sound like a DFA to anyone else?

You've got to land on his head with your feet ... no shooting

I saw ya join and quickly leave TS...why didn't you  come on down...?

Got bounced off, then couldn't connect again.
Just got bak on and bounced off.
Maybe I'm downloading to much atm? Too much bandwith????
Would that effect it?

[FA Frey XC]

Shouldn't, we saw you join then leave

Try creating another account ?

Or just joining with the generic logon?

[FA Frey XC]

Hmmmmmmm...... lessee....

I jumped up..... I shot you in the head...... you went B00M!!1!11!

Am I just crazy or does that sound like a DFA to anyone else?

#1 You are crazy, Bear. That's been a given fact for quite some time.

#2 I marked this day onna calendar. Hexx and I agree. Weird. DFA is when you jump up, then land on top of a mech.

No shooting.

You were talking about a HEAD SHOT, which is a cockpit shot, and you did hit me good with a HS in that 2v2 game we did.

Come to think of it, Kruge did too, that evil bastich!!!



Me and t00l playing MW now - all welcomed to join on D.Net teamspeak!

[KBF-Reejr]

Hope you guys are still playing when I get off of work. That will be around 12:00 am central time. This time I will get a bigger Mech. I didn't realize that when you go to the mechlab your mech is changed from the one I had picked. Been sometime since I played this game.

[KBF MalaK]

First, make sure you have the MicroSoft patch, PR-1 from their official site:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/mw4mercs/
Then to the MekTek site;

Go to the downloads area..to Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries...then to Merc Expansion packs...then download this one:
  MekPak PR1 to MP2.1a - English   
Description: Updates from Microsoft's PR1 patch to MekTek's MP2.1a. English versions only.
Version: 1 Filesize: 1 bytes
Added on: 06-Nov-2004 Downloads: 41352 Rating: 7.4 (7 Votes)
HomePage | Rate Resource | Details | Editorial

Then go back to the main page of MekTek, there you'll see a link to download the MP 3.

I also got these Maps from the "Maps" aera:  Maps - MS Official (11)     
                                                               Maps - Mercs - MekTek ( 8 )
                                                               Maps - Mercs - Converted Veng/BK (19)

From the New BattleFields site, I just got the Full installer, which has a bunch of maps and missions lumped together.
The Co-Op missions are excellent!

And We're using the Dynavers.net teamspeak server (teamspeak.dynaverse.net, pw is sfcrulz), you'll see the MechWarrior room.

ok, got everything on the list except the official MS factory map.  Can you post a link ?? Also do I need the BK terrain installer to get the BK map pak installed ?? I can't find it, post a link to it if I need it.

Thanks,

[KBFLordKrueg]

Ok, here is the link to the MS official maps:
http://www.mektek.net/download.php?op=viewsdownload&sid=19&orderby=dateD
Here's the link for the BK downloads, just follow the instructions.
http://www.mektek.net/downloads/mw4/maps/mercmaps/vbkconv.htm
*NOTE*
Note: IF you don't have BK, click on the links below to download the required terrain. You MUST first copy these files to a temporary folder. DO NOT placed in your Mercs/resource/maps folder. Rather, you must run the BK Terrain installer and specify the temporary folder as the source of the terrain files. The terrain installer will copy the files to your Mercs/resource/maps folder and then apply the rquired patch in order for these terrains to work in Mercs! Also, keep in mind these are big files (up to 25 MB), and you shouldn't download them unless you don't have access to the terrain files otherwise!

You WILL need to do that to get the BK maps, if you don't already have BK.
If you want to wait, NP...there are a lot of files to download if you don't already have BK. And that's only about 12-15 maps, easy to choose one of the many others. 
If you've got the MP 3 patch and the NewBattleFields full installer, you're good to go!
Let's do some of the Co-Op missions and we'll get your feet wet. 

Hexx, comon, you should come too. 

[Hexx]

Yeah first time out had to babysit t00l & Frey, I'll help you guys
beat the big bad AI agin if anyone's playing tonight. 

[KBF MalaK]

k, im up, I couldn't get the factory as both links are down. 89% of the NB pack installed before it exited 'NB cerberus map bad checksum' and said I had to rerun the patch to get the full install. I think the installer is corrupt, but maybe I got enough to play till I figure out what I'm still missing. I'll be on later.

[KBFLordKrueg]

k, im up, I couldn't get the factory as both links are down. 89% of the NB pack installed before it exited 'NB cerberus map bad checksum' and said I had to rerun the patch to get the full install. I think the installer is corrupt, but maybe I got enough to play till I figure out what I'm still missing. I'll be on later.

Well, hmm..not sure about the NB problem. I know it's a PITA, but, you ay have to re-download it. Those 3 icons there are 3 different mirrior sites, so you may need to use another one.
Did you try simply re-installing it?

[762_XC]

Double-check the size of the NB-complete.exe file you downloaded. It should be 194 MB.

The first time I d/led it it was like 99 megs, and obviously didn't install right. Stoneyface had the same problem. I think one of those mirrors is bad.

If the size is wrong you can get it from XC's site.

ftp://ftp.xenocorp.net/game_files/MechWarrior/MechWarrior%20IV/Mercenaries/Mods/

[KBF MalaK]

Greetings all:
   Happy turkey-day,
Now that I've got all these mods properly installed I noticed when I play a campaign- in the mechlab my mechs (and in the free markets) all the mech icons (and prices in free markets) don't match the descriptions when I put the mouse cursor over the mechs. ex. - in mechlab my hellhound's description call's it a madcat, and If I try to buy a hellhound the cost is aprox 5 mill c-bills but it's described as a Templar.

Is this normal with MP3 ??

Also, is there a way to import the 'pirates moon' campaigns and maps into Mercs ??

Almost forgot: anywhere else they play mercs ?? GSA is always empty of merc players as is KALI and I have no idea what other game services exist.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Unknown about your issues with the mech descriptions.
Maybe check these forums for bug info.
http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?s=0639fdbd4d51d346b56c37793d669799&act=SF&f=30
Also with a little searching on those forums, you'll find the thread on how to bring the MP3 mechs into the single player campaign.

For the multi-player, use the "Zone Match" option under the Options-multiplayer setup. There you'll find dozens of permanent servers. Careful of ones that have large numbers of players with the same Clan Tags in their name. They usually work together well and if you're on the other side is a good way to die a lot...

Tool, Frey, Stony, myself and several other also play MW4 mercs in IP games frequently, usually using the Co-Op missions available from the NewBattlefields site (located in another post on this thread).  Look for players in the MW4 rooms on the Dnet TeamSpeak server and I'm sure you can get in on some.

[FA Frey XC]

Malak, if you are referring to the single player game, I don' think the MP3 stuff is perfectly compatible with single player campaigns.

[KBF MalaK]

Malak, if you are referring to the single player game, I don' think the MP3 stuff is perfectly compatible with single player campaigns.

Yep, it's in single player mode. I've not played mercs online yet (ever) so I'm not up on this multiplayer stuff.

Tool, Frey, Stony, myself and several other also play MW4 mercs in IP games frequently, usually using the Co-Op missions available from the NewBattlefields site (located in another post on this thread).  Look for players in the MW4 rooms on the Dnet TeamSpeak server and I'm sure you can get in on some.

I've tried that but getting the IP is next to impossible as my mic is dead in TS and nobody looks at the TS server screen between games. I've spent hours in the last couple of weeks waiting for an invite or a mention of the IP to play mercs and never hear neither so I've given up.

The one time I actually got the IP number (Frey's game) when I got into the game, I was promptly booted.

[762_XC]

It does work, sort of. I just finished a single player campaign with several MP3 mechs.

The only way to get the mechs in campaign is through the Free Market. Each new MP3 mech has an equivalent chassis in Mercs (which I assume it was modded off of). For instance, the Pitbull is based off the Mad Cat.

Here is a link to a forum posting that lists all the known equivalent chassis.

Getting the mechs through Free Market is a 4 step process:

1) Identify the equivalent chassis of the mech you want to buy. For instance if you want a Pitbull, you are really looking for the Mad Cat.

2) Buy up ALL of the Mad Cats in the FM.

3) Sell one or more back to the FM.

4) Buy one or more back again. At this point (the second time you buy) you are actually buying Pitbulls, but the avatar will still show Mad Cat. However when you look for it in mechlab you will see you actually now have a Pitbull.

This is the only way to get the new mechs. The only way to get the new weapons is to buy one of the new mechs, then strip off whatever weps come with it.

The side effect of all this is that the mech descriptions in Free Market are all screwed up as you saw.

[762_XC]

Malak, you were probably booted because no one recognized your name. Do yourself a favor and pick up a $10 headset at Radio Shack.

[KBF MalaK]

LoL
More like do everyone else a favor and don't speak.
I keep remembering something Hexx said: "people who don't have DSL don't deserve a computer"

I think I was booted because I asked for the IP numerous times and was ignored so while I was opening up the mic to check for a loose wire it went open and killed everyone else's comms- when I cought the mistaKe and all 6 of the others we're screaming the IP at me I left TS to fire up the game and connect.

I don't believe 'Lord_MalaK' was not recognized by the game host, I think it was payback.

[762_XC]

I remember one game where someone showed up as we were about to launch, and it was most definitely not "Lord Malak". He was booted because we assumed the server was advertising publicly. If that was you, you should do one of two things:

1) Use a name we will recognize so we know it's you

2) Get a mic so we know it's you

As far as being booted off TS, yes, if you are causing painful feedback which hurts ppl's ears, that will happen. Sorry.

Payback for what? We have done everything reasonably possible to include you in our games, but if we can't communicate with you, what do you want?

[KBF MalaK]

I remember one game where someone showed up as we were about to launch, and it was most definitely not "Lord Malak". He was booted because we assumed the server was advertising publicly. If that was you, you should do one of two things:

1) Use a name we will recognize so we know it's you

2) Get a mic so we know it's you

As far as being booted off TS, yes, if you are causing painful feedback which hurts ppl's ears, that will happen. Sorry.

Payback for what? We have done everything reasonably possible to include you in our games, but if we can't communicate with you, what do you want?

Payback for interrupting comms.
And I was booted out of the 'game ready room', not TS. I don't remember if I was using 'MalaK' or 'NOOB- NO MIC'

I tried appologising

But thanks for reminding that whatever happens it always MY fault.

[762_XC]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was anyone else's fault that you don't have a mike. We all forgot to enable our Telepathic Interface that day.

/sarcasm off

Honestly Malak, I don't know what you expect anyone else to do about being UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU.

[FA Frey XC]

LoL
More like do everyone else a favor and don't speak.
I keep remembering something Hexx said: "people who don't have DSL don't deserve a computer"

I think I was booted because I asked for the IP numerous times and was ignored so while I was opening up the mic to check for a loose wire it went open and killed everyone else's comms- when I cought the mistaKe and all 6 of the others we're screaming the IP at me I left TS to fire up the game and connect.

I don't believe 'Lord_MalaK' was not recognized by the game host, I think it was payback.

Malak, the ONE time we've booted anyone out of the MW4 game lobby was when someone just showed up, out of nowhere, and then sat there - and it wasn't "Malak" or "NEWB - NO MIK". In game chat is a wonderful invention, it allows you to communicate the "old fashioned way" by typing out communications, such as messages that say "Hey guys it's me Malak !!! I made it WEEEEEE !!!" or "Hello I'm Malak from the forums!".

While I'd love for you to join up and play a few (although with your current attitude I doubt you'll believe that) I'm beginning to question that as I'd hope you'd atleast say something HERE, on this thread when it happened. Not a week later...but that's just me.

Bottom line is, if you perceived something, then I am telling you it was perceived WRONG. Now if you want to continue to think it's some type of "personal crusade to not play Mechwarrior 4 with Malak", well, that's your right too, but my perception is that's kinda silly.

Stop taking things personal, ASK  - COMMUNICATE - and have some understanding that when something unexpected happens - like a mic shorting out - people will do what they do - it's not personal, it's just reality. Perhaps if you had checked your mic and made sure it was working correctly before you connected out of etiquette then you wouldn't have gotten booted when your mic was broadcasting massive feedback CONSTANTLY at a very HIGH pitch for an extended period of time.

If your angry, then that's fine. Be angry. Just don't assume everyone here hates you. That's not angry, again, that's silly.

Hope to see you on TS AND on the MW4 battlefield soon!

Regards,

Frey

[KBF MalaK]

Ya, I was on a bit late, and I'm not just some 'noob' Mr. Frey. I got TS set up properly finally and was waiting to get into a game but nobody gave up the IP number. Will someone PLEASE enable the text option on Dyna's TS server so others know I'm alive until I get a mic.

Text messages will work on TS, but you have to be able to SEE the text message, something you can't always do if you're in a gameroom.
Another advantage of Ventrillo...you can simply type a message and you hear a computerized voice repeat your text message for all to hear...

Will ventrillo work on a TS server ??
Is it possible to make a wav file in advance and dump it into TS via the mic circuit when needed ??

[KBF-Crim]

Lord Malak...chill.

Not a request.

An explanation was given...and should be accepted at face value.

You are wearing the fleet uniform of the KBF...as such...while getting blood on your uniform is perfectly acceptable....getting dirt on it is not.

I hope I have made myself clear on the matter.

[Riskyllama]

wav file in advance i believe it supports; VT and TS have no intercompatibility to the best of my knowledge

[KBF-Crim]

Risky is correct..VT and TS are not cross compatable...

Vt works well for some....and not so well for others...

TS works well for some...and not so well for others...

We generally run VT because it works the best for the most number of people on our team....and VT seems to work slightly better for people on dial up....of which I am one...

I know that several people with good connections and good PC's run both at the same time without ill effects...

[KBF MalaK]

Lord Malak...chill.

Not a request.

An explanation was given...and should be accepted at face value.

You are wearing the fleet uniform of the KBF...as such...while getting blood on your uniform is perfectly acceptable....getting dirt on it is not.

I hope I have made myself clear on the matter.

Aye sir, always have been. Just trying to debug an 'issue' without another usless investment to show others what I already know as I've had lag issues years ago when I ran netmech with BFC over a dial up. And believe me I have experience with overconsumption whilst playing.

If you feel I'm soiling the uniform please cite the specific infraction and I will make ammends.

With all due respect
<S>

[KBFLordKrueg]

If you'd like to try VT, we can get you the DL. However, most of the MW crowd seems to use TS.
As far as the other things here...I think we've had enough of that. 
You get my PM, Malak?

[KBF MalaK]

If you'd like to try VT, we can get you the DL. However, most of the MW crowd seems to use TS.
As far as the other things here...I think we've had enough of that. 
You get my PM, Malak?

yep, just got it.
really, I was never mad nor did I intend to accuse anyone of anything. If I offended anyone, sorry. no more problem, ok ?

I TOTALLY uninstalled everything again trying to get those missing files installed. This time I'm installing vengence first, patches, black knight, both meck packs, update everything, then I will re-install mercs with all the candy.

UPDATE: 7 hours later, got everything installed again and it seems to work pretty good on the 'zone'
  no more missing files.

But now I remember why I retired this game: the unconfigurable controls.
   I need to totally disable the Y axis of my joystick, and the mouse scroll but I haven't figured out how to do it in the game menu's... any ideas ??

[KBFLordKrueg]

unconfigurable...?
From your main menu screen...
Go to Options...
then to Controls.
you can change virtually everything single hotkey and/or joystick control if you want.
That's I set up my joystick. 

[KBF MalaK]

well, I'll look again but as I tried years ago when I first got mw3 (which carries over to mw4) I usually have my torso on the mouse but the y axis on the joystick also tilts the head up/down and I never could get that disabled. I also couldn't disable the throttle from the joystick (it is NOT enabled in the config menu, but it still working whilst ingame), and it is also on the mouse scroll, so I have 3 throttles- mouse scroll/ joystick/ keyboard.

anyhow, everything installed correctly and works good on the 'zone' but thismorning I d/l 'd the mektek 3.01 bugfix and when it installs it says I have 2 files in my game that are incompatable with the patch. Since I have ONLY what I D/L'd from mektek in my game I'm confused. Anyone else have this issue with the bugfix ??

[KBFLordKrueg]

No issues with the bugfix patch, very strange. What 2 files does it say are incompatible?
As far as your controls...well...donno about all that.
IMO, you need to be able to look up (at jumpers) and down (from the hilltops)...but, maybe that's just me. 
I have a Joystick/throttle combo and keep both hands on those controls, with a quick keystoke now and then.

You could try registering on the MekTek forums and posting some of your issues there (can't make a post there unless you register first.). Just like here, fellow players are usually happy to offer helpful suggestions. 

[KBF MalaK]

the second time I ran the 3.01 bugfix only 1 file came up as bad (props.mw4).
The 3rd time I ran it the 2 files from the first attempt came up.
here is the complete message:

WinPatch Errors
WinPatch encountered the following errors when verifying if the update can be applied:

The following file does not match the file to be updated:
D:\Program Files\Mechwarrior Mercenaries\resource\props.mw4
The following file does not match the file to be updated:
D:\Program Files\Mechwarrior Mercenaries\resource\textures.mw4


The WinPatch process was aborted, because of the previous errors. The files that you were updating have not been changed. You should contact the following company to resolve this problem:

Jehosephat2k, www.mektek.net

I dunno if it has to do with the clan or IS mechpacks from microsoft that are installed, or a mektek pack but I've not seen any errors in the installs up to this point and don't know if my current install is now corrupt. I just thought maybe someone else has seen these errors and knows if it's normal, or if a fix or workaround is known.

[KBFLordKrueg]

the second time I ran the 3.01 bugfix only 1 file came up as bad (props.mw4).
The 3rd time I ran it the 2 files from the first attempt came up.
here is the complete message:

WinPatch Errors
WinPatch encountered the following errors when verifying if the update can be applied:

The following file does not match the file to be updated:
D:\Program Files\Mechwarrior Mercenaries\resource\props.mw4
The following file does not match the file to be updated:
D:\Program Files\Mechwarrior Mercenaries\resource\textures.mw4


The WinPatch process was aborted, because of the previous errors. The files that you were updating have not been changed. You should contact the following company to resolve this problem:

Jehosephat2k, www.mektek.net

I dunno if it has to do with the clan or IS mechpacks from microsoft that are installed, or a mektek pack but I've not seen any errors in the installs up to this point and don't know if my current install is now corrupt. I just thought maybe someone else has seen these errors and knows if it's normal, or if a fix or workaround is known.

I doubt it's the MS MechPacks, I have them too and had no issues installing the patch.
I still think your best bet is to post your issues on the MekTek forums and I'm sure one of the tech-types there could help you. It is possible there you'll even find a post about the subject that may help without you having to ask. 

[KBF MalaK]

yea, I tried that but every time I go to the mektek site I'm immediately directed to the mp3 d/l page.

[KBFLordKrueg]

yea, I tried that but every time I go to the mektek site I'm immediately directed to the mp3 d/l page.

Well, I see that...
They did it that way probably for the patch release. They did the same when MP3 came out. But it ususally last a couple days and then reverts back to the normal page and you can access the forums. I tried to get to the forums there as well, with no success. 
Since the patch just cam out on Fri, perhaps by Mon they'll put it back up normally.
Sorry I couldn't be more help with the problem.

[KBF MalaK]

Stick a fork in me, I'm done
 This 3.0.1 bug fix has killed ALL mech products on my machine:

I spent 7 hours yesterday installing vengence, veng patch, IS Mech pack, Clan Mech pack, Black knight...then moved onto Mercs, the PR1, MP2, 2.1, 2.1a, and finally 3.0, as well as all the map packs and missions from 'NB' without incident.

I even played about 2 hours on the 'zone' last night after the tourney. I even got in a few minutes this afternoon with Lear (thanks Bud, it was a blast even tho my joystick driver refused to load). Once I got the joystick issue resloved I D/L'd (twice) the 3.0.1 bugfix which gave the errors (above).
Sooo... by suggestion I reluctantly uninstalled Mercs and all it's goodies trying to get that 3.0.1 patch working but to my surprise when I reinstalled mercs and ran the PR1 it said I had the wrong ver of MW4X.exe  (error code 0036). Again I uninstalled mercs, deleted the folder, cleaned the registry, rebooted and tried again,  same thing- error 0036. Being a bit irked I opened the PR1 with winzip (the PR1 is a self extracting ZIP file) and checked the file. Winzip reported the file as 100% OK. So I did it all again- 3rd time=same result, I then uninstalled mercs, removed folder, and ran NAV, spybot S&D, and adaware all to find the problem- no problems found.

So I now run disk cleanup and scandisk on both drives (no problems found), checked again for the mercs folder just to make sure it was gone, and proceeded to install once again- same result (error 0036), so I unzip the PR1 into a temp directory to take a look. After reading the doc file in the PR1 directory it says:

0036: Old file not found. However, a file of the same name was found. No update done since file contents do not match. MW4.exe or MW4x.exe was unable to locate an exact match for a file to be updated, although the patching utility was able to locate a file with the same name as the original file. However, the file found did not have either the same size or checksum as the file that the patching utility is seeking to update. A checksum is a count of bits done for comparison purposes.

You might experience a 0036 error when installing the patch on a Nordic, Italian, or Brazilian game. If you encounter this error, uninstall and reinstall MechWarrior 4: Vengeance and rerun the patch.

I now uninstall all of Mercs, Black Knight, IS mech pack, Clan Mech pack, and finally vengence. I remove the folders and empty the 'waste basket'.

If you've been following along you'll see that I now have a machine with NO mechwarrior games of ANY type, no folders, nothing. Feeling confident I can now get this thing installed I re-install Mercs (always a full install), and run the PR1.  BAM- error 0036.

>> Thank you Bill Gates, May I have another ?? <<

Anyone else think I have a hidden temp file somewhere thats corrupt, or a registry key that won't uninstall ??

I now have NO mechwarrior products installed,
14 hours invested in the last 2 days alone,
a VERY bad attitude,
a headache, bloodshot eyes, a hungry dog, and a pissed off girlfriend because she's been a computer widow this weekend.

But, thanks again Lear, it was fun for a while. (5 minutes gameplay with ALL game this weekend)

I'm done.

[KBFLordKrueg]

*Pops Cork on Keg of BloodWine, passes it to Malak*
Well...I donno...downloaded it right there from the main page myself, ran the patch and presto bingo...worked fine, no errors.
Mkae you when doing a fresh install:
Veng.
Patch Veng
BK
Patch BK
MS MechPacks
Mercs
Patch Mercs (MS)
then the mekpaks in order.
Then do all those map after making sure all those take.
Or...just skip right to Mercs...lol...

[762_XC]

There's something foofy about Klingons with wavy hair.

[KBF MalaK]

*Pops Cork on Keg of BloodWine, passes it to Malak*
Well...I donno...downloaded it right there from the main page myself, ran the patch and presto bingo...worked fine, no errors.
Mkae you when doing a fresh install:
Veng.
Patch Veng
BK
Patch BK
MS MechPacks
Mercs
Patch Mercs (MS)
then the mekpaks in order.
Then do all those map after making sure all those take.
Or...just skip right to Mercs...lol...

ALL MW folders are gone before a clean/full install of mercs
with ABSOLUTELY no other MW games of ANY kind installed I still get the 0036 error from PR1.
3 DIFFERENT copies from 3 different CD's of the PR1 patch bring this error

My mercs CD went bad last night ?
My CD drive went bad this afternoon ?
data cable ?? IDE driver? chipset driver ? MOBO ?

There's no virus I can find, and I just installed norton tools to deep scan the registry.

I'm in need of something a bit stronger than bloodwine.

Tomorrow I'm gonna play with linux to try to forget the aggrevation of this weekend.

[KBF MalaK]

 

mektek did this to me, says its the wrong language version. Of course they didn't clarify which part is the wrong language.

http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=45356&st=0
 

[KBF MalaK]

*Pops Cork on Keg of BloodWine, passes it to Malak*
Well...I donno...downloaded it right there from the main page myself, ran the patch and presto bingo...worked fine, no errors.
Mkae you when doing a fresh install:
Veng.
Patch Veng
BK
Patch BK
MS MechPacks
Mercs
Patch Mercs (MS)
then the mekpaks in order.
Then do all those map after making sure all those take.
Or...just skip right to Mercs...lol...

ALL MW folders are gone before a clean/full install of mercs
with ABSOLUTELY no other MW games of ANY kind installed I still get the 0036 error from PR1.
3 DIFFERENT copies from 3 different CD's of the PR1 patch bring this error

My mercs CD went bad last night ?
My CD drive went bad this afternoon ?
data cable ?? IDE driver? chipset driver ? MOBO ?

There's no virus I can find, and I just installed norton tools to deep scan the registry.

I'm in need of something a bit stronger than bloodwine.

Tomorrow I'm gonna play with linux to try to forget the aggrevation of this weekend.

HOORAY !!!
I'm not crazy. I took my mercs cd's and my patch CD to work and installed it on my work computer. It installed and patched perfectly, so I KNOW the files are OK.

This is apparently a windows issue, now thw fun begins as I get to contact Microsoft.
  What you bet they wanna charge me for tech support

I'm gonna try installing all the mektek stuff I have on CD to my work machine- I'll keep y'all posted.

UPDATE: noon CST- Microsoft says to delete everything in the 'temp' and 'prefetch' folders and reinstall.
   I'll let you know what happens.

[KBF MalaK]

heya Frey,
 What version (w98se or non-98se) mektek 3.0.1 patch did you put on the dyna FTP ??

[KBF MalaK]

... The continuing episodes of the ex-mechwarrior...

Been ot the phone since 9PM CST to Microsoft (It's now 1am) and they have yet to get my patch problem fixxed. They have however managed to get my windows registry totally screwed up and have misplaced numerous files for me - thanks Bill Gates, I eagerly await my next A** raping (I got my vasoline standing by). So now I have 7 copies of the mercs PR1 patch that won't install. I keep getting an error 0036.

I know this isn't a mechwarrior community but does anyone here have any ideas how to fix my problem ??

[CaptJosh]

Sure. Wipe the hard drive and reinstall Windows clean. Make sure you get all your windows updates done, then work from there.

Actually, I'm surprised that MS tech support didn't suggest that first. That was always their catch-all solution.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

I'd back up any important need to keep files first.

[KBFLordKrueg]

... The continuing episodes of the ex-mechwarrior...

Been ot the phone since 9PM CST to Microsoft (It's now 1am) and they have yet to get my patch problem fixxed. They have however managed to get my windows registry totally screwed up and have misplaced numerous files for me - thanks Bill Gates, I eagerly await my next A** raping (I got my vasoline standing by). So now I have 7 copies of the mercs PR1 patch that won't install. I keep getting an error 0036.

I know this isn't a mechwarrior community but does anyone here have any ideas how to fix my problem ??

Have you posted your issues on the MekTek forums...?
Someone there might have your answer
Remember MS won't help you with the MekPaks from MekTek.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Is XJadedWarriorX you, Malak?

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

does anyone remember/know how to make custom decals for MW4?

[KBFLordKrueg]

Try poking around in this area of the MekTek forums...
http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?showforum=29

[KBF MalaK]

posted yesterday 5:02 AM by jehosephat2k on the mektek forums:

Yeah, it looks lik ethe english version of the Win98Se patch has a problem with it. German version looks OK.

I'll put together a new patch sometime today.

In the meantime, try the 3.01 non-Win98Se patch and see if that works for you.
Otherwise, wait for me to make the nw patch and notify you of it here.

nice eh ?

5 hours with Microsoft tech support hacking my registry finally got mercs reinstalled and patched. MS office is dead, ALL norton products are dead, Spybot S&D is limping, and who knows what else is funked.

I'll be drinking heavily the next few days trying to forget this fiasco, but just to remind you'z- reinstalling is an amatuers' way of fixing stuff.

[CaptJosh]

And your point would be? MS Tech support IS a bunch of amateurs.

[KBF MalaK]

And your point would be? MS Tech support IS a bunch of amateurs.

Actually the re-install suggestion came from a D2 member, and the only reason I followed the suggestion was that I was blinded by rage and not thinking straight. I seriously doubt that mektek is gonna admit that their product did anything to my registry. Thats why there's a disclaimer you must accept before installing the patch.

The only good thing to come out of this was Microsoft has to pay the toll charges for me talking to their tech support people for about 11 hours to New Delhi, India. The last guy I talked to actually DID know WTF he was talking about as there is no bulletins about error code 0036 applying to MW4:Mercs, the error applies to all other MW4 products and as I uninstalled Veng, BK, both mech packs, and mercs, and did a clean/full install of mercs and had the error nobody had answers.

I'm now have mercs back up to the 3.0 mektek, but I'm gonna wait awhile to see if their 'fixxed' w98se 3.0.1 bugfix actually works.

[CaptJosh]

Oh. I was talking about the "reinstall windows" thing. For a long time that was the standard suggestion from MS tech support.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Dang, Malak...
The things we do in the name of "fun"...
Glad it wasn't something REALLY difficult...
At least we know you don't give up easy...

[KBFLordKrueg]

posted yesterday 5:02 AM by jehosephat2k on the mektek forums:

Yeah, it looks lik ethe english version of the Win98Se patch has a problem with it. German version looks OK.

I'll put together a new patch sometime today.

In the meantime, try the 3.01 non-Win98Se patch and see if that works for you.
Otherwise, wait for me to make the nw patch and notify you of it here.

nice eh ?

5 hours with Microsoft tech support hacking my registry finally got mercs reinstalled and patched. MS office is dead, ALL norton products are dead, Spybot S&D is limping, and who knows what else is funked.

I'll be drinking heavily the next few days trying to forget this fiasco, but just to remind you'z- reinstalling is an amatuers' way of fixing stuff.

Good news, Malak:
Win98SE 3.01 patch has a problem, and will be made available again at
http://www.mektek.net/mekpak when it is fixed (sometime later today).


It has been updated

So he fixed whatever was wrong with it...finally...

[762_XC]

I got a present for you guys!

ftp://ftp.xenocorp.net/game_files/MechWarrior/MechWarrior%20IV/Mercenaries/Mechs.xls

It's a little Excel sheet I made up with all the MP3 mechs on it. Should help you figure things out in Mechlab.

Enjoy! 

[KBFLordKrueg]

Nice!
You obviously have WAY too much time on your hands...

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Yeah, we're waiting on the weapons range & damage charts!!!

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Try poking around in this area of the MekTek forums...
http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?showforum=29

That seems to be more about how to make them... I want to know where do you put them once their made....

[KBF MalaK]

 

I love looking at this

nice sheet 762
 

 
Malak-over amd  out

[FA Frey XC]

Reinstalling the OS is the ignoramous n00b "i wanna be an engineer but don't know what the hell I am doing" response to almost anything.

And yep that describes most of Microsoft's front line engineers.

You are running Windows 98SE Malak ?

 

No offense but if you are no wonder your having problems - Win 98SE was the best of the Win95-98 stuff, but it's still buggy as hell !!

[KBF MalaK]

umm, yea- I'm still w98se. I've spent years getting to know the bugs, thats why I love it- I KNOW it. It's just weird as nobody has apparently seen this bug (according to MS) and I assume MT never tried what I did by accident. I fixxed it by restoring a registry backup done the day before I originally installed mercs and all the patches. Anyhow it works now (3.0 anyway) and I'm gonna wait a few days to see if MT actually got the bugs out of the bugfix.

[KBF MalaK]

Hmm,  looks like the 3.0.1 patch could be eating MS mechpaks.

Posted by 19k on mektek tech forum yesterday at 6:50pm cst.

Myself and a few team mates lost our Clan/IS packs when we updated to the new 3.01 update.

I have tried the following and have been unable to get them back........

1) tried the 2 fixes posted in the MekTek Dowloads

2) tried copying the files from the CD's directly into the CLANPK and ISPAK folder and runing the exe

3) uninstalling the Clan/IS packs and reinstalling them.

a team mate tried a full reinstall of MW4 mers.............lost them when he ran his 3.01 update again.

Heres the thread: http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=45559

If you lost yours heres the link for the fixxes. Get the bottom 2 files: http://fasastudio.com/games/mechwarrior4/Downloads.htm?c00=0

[CaptJosh]

Malak, you'd do well to get up to XP, really. The memory management (or really lack thereof) of Win98(SE or not) is best used to frighten small children. (Translation: It's got a memory leak big enough to drive a Mac Truck through.) Though you might want to wait to switch until after MS releases SP3 for XP. (Heh. After they swore up and down that XP was finished, but then released not one, but TWO service packs.  )

[Wraith 413]

 Micorsoft should change their name to "Service Packs 'r' Us" !!!!


                                                    Wraith 413

[KBF-Crim]

Malak, you'd do well to get up to XP, really. The memory management (or really lack thereof) of Win98(SE or not) is best used to frighten small children. (Translation: It's got a memory leak big enough to drive a Mac Truck through.) Though you might want to wait to switch until after MS releases SP3 for XP. (Heh. After they swore up and down that XP was finished, but then released not one, but TWO service packs.  )

With all due respect....screw XP

 

[KBF MalaK]

Malak, you'd do well to get up to XP, really. The memory management (or really lack thereof) of Win98(SE or not) is best used to frighten small children. (Translation: It's got a memory leak big enough to drive a Mac Truck through.) Though you might want to wait to switch until after MS releases SP3 for XP. (Heh. After they swore up and down that XP was finished, but then released not one, but TWO service packs.  )

With all due respect....screw XP

 

I'm with ya there Crimmy, XP is too much OS for me.  I need dos support- I actually load up dos drivers for my sound board in w98 because the win drivers suck. Besides, XP likes to hide files on me and they've taken the user accounts to a new level of confusion (for me). I don't need that, or the HT stuff. W98se tho clumsy at times has served me well for years and I'm used to it's quirqs unlike XP where I'm occasionally lost doing routin things. I also wanna know more about all these service packs, sheesh- number 3 already ??

[KBF-Crim]

He...thing YOU have it bad?

I'm still running ME.....*snicker*

[762_XC]

I thought ME was banned from the universe.

[KBF-Crim]

I thought ME was banned from the universe.

LMAO...correct....YOU was banned from the universe

[KBF MalaK]

Don't know much about ME but I'm sure it does something pretty well.

[KBF-Crim]

Don't know much about ME but I'm sure it does something pretty well.

LMAO...when I find out what it is...Ill let you know ...

[likkerpig]

He...thing YOU have it bad?

I'm still running ME.....*snicker*

Wow! Most masochists just stick to the traditional whips, handcuffs, riding crops...
You have raised the bar sir!

[Capt Jeff]

Pffft !

I used ME for 6 years...never reformated or reloaded the OS.

Once I get some time playing with this new computer which has XP MCE '05,  I'm going to re-format the old machine and clean her out (get the porn off), and give it to my nephew, so he can enjoy ME for years to come !!   

[Father Ted]

I'm old school. I played Battletech in college. Clan and Merc mechs are the equivalent of the F-NEC+, i.e. cheese.

Gimme an old Orion! House Steiner rules! 

BTW: Grasshopper-Wolverine or Victor-Phoenix Hawk?

[OlBuzzard]

Micorsoft should change their name to "Service Packs 'r' Us" !!!!


                                                    Wraith 413

If not that ... then "Nail 'em Hard Inc" ...   for the way they screw up the most popular games until someone comes up with an appropriate patch or new "direct-X" to correct the "improvements" they've made from one OS to another.

One of my favorite games is (was) Descent-3 ...   I have finally found a new site that hopefully has a new patch.  It's been 2 years since we've been able to use the game.

To top that off ..  my Saitek dual controller now has new issues ...  (Just started with the last Mech Warrior up-date) ..   OY !  It never ends !

[KBF MalaK]

I thought I was imagining things, my saitek cyborg 3d has been acting weird since the 3.0.1 'bugfix' and I'm ready to retire it in favor of my trusty old CH flightstick. I LOVE analog.

Saitek issues: dern thing always loses it's center, drifts for no reason, and corrupts my BIOS when I unplug it before shutting down the PC. If I don't disconnect before power down, my PC boots with a black screen.

Any idea how to properly power down a saitek stick ?? anyone ?

[OlBuzzard]

I got most of those issues fixed  ( I think) ...   but now about 1/2 the switches on the 2nd half of the two piece x-45 are ignored  (like the dont even exist).  I'm guessing that I've got to look at the "programming" side of the X-45 to see if I can program it to work with the game ...   AGAIN !

[KBFLordKrueg]

I got most of those issues fixed  ( I think) ...   but now about 1/2 the switches on the 2nd half of the two piece x-45 are ignored  (like the dont even exist).  I'm guessing that I've got to look at the "programming" side of the X-45 to see if I can program it to work with the game ...   AGAIN !

Just go to the Options, then to contorls, progam it the way you want it, then save the config under your Saitek profiles.

[KBF MalaK]

does anyone remember the name of the file "black knight terrain installer" ??  I forgot where I put it once I found it, and I'd like to get all my maps re-installed.

never mind...found it in this thread:

http://www.mektek.net/downloads/mw4/maps/mercmaps/vbkconv.htm