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UNION PACIFIC CLASS



Here ya go , it's the best I could do.

http://www.battleclinic.com/docks/files/dist/index.php/file,14f42ff06e13e12b4477b2da3d89e39e.rar

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2005, 03:38:20 am »
Wrah! I'm impressed... I gotta wonder how big this thing is next to a Constitution. It also screams target practice to the klingons...

If I may nitpick- aside from it being outside of the TMP timezone, it seems to wide. The origional UP (adopting that name ;) ) seemed more thin than wide but it could be the case that this is the TNG version.

I'd still like a TMP version if anyone's up to it. Otherwise, this ship lookes...um...big? Bigger than the Sovergin even... and violates the Starbase Hanger Door entry width limits :P

So uhm... thanks? Yeah.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2005, 06:20:06 am »
a rather grand, grand bash, mp :)
...but its a tad too long and too wide by 50% :P
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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2005, 09:10:27 am »
Interesting, how about a .brk model with the intermodal containers all over the place?

My only gripe is that it doesn't look right with the saucer offset to the side, it seems like that at impulse it'll just fly around in circles.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2005, 09:29:27 am »
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...but its a tad too long and too wide by 50%

Looking at the original pick it's 5 containers across and 7 rows long. I went 5 across and 5 rows long. Mines actually smaller  :P. I also scaled back the saucer, and secondary hull to match. If ya wanna tweak it Mackie, please do. You're much better at bashing then I am dude.

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Interesting, how about a .brk model with the intermodal containers all over the place?

I don't know how to do brk. models, but if anyone wants to...go for it  ;)

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I'd still like a TMP version if anyone's up to it.

Ya know I wondered about that. But the model actually looked TNG-ish with the nacelles and such. I can easily swap the TNG parts for a TMP version. Glad ya liked the class name .

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2005, 10:26:33 am »
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...but its a tad too long and too wide by 50%
Looking at the original pick it's 5 containers across and 7 rows long. I went 5 across and 5 rows long. Mines actually smaller  :P. I also scaled back the saucer, and secondary hull to match. If ya wanna tweak it Mackie, please do. You're much better at bashing then I am dude.

Eh, I mean just look at it. Yours is alot bigger :P
Im not saying its not a good bash , just needs that little modification ;)
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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2005, 10:48:21 am »
I have to agree with Mackie on this one while its a great bash the proportions are a bit off

for example  look at the ref. on it it's actually 6 containers wide and 10 containers long but each container is about twice as wide and about 3/4 the length of one of the nacelles where as you have 5 containers wide and 5 containers long, while your containers are still about twice as wide as your nacelles you have to concider the fact that the TNG nacelles are all ready twice the width of a TMP nacelle. So proportionately speaking  your containers should be roughly the same length and width of the TNG nacelles though I'd say about 2.5 times the height

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2005, 01:08:03 pm »
No problemo guys, if anyone wants to tweak it please be my guest. Like I said, I'm really not that good at this yet.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2005, 06:00:16 pm »
I want YOU to stop mutilating starships, and stop clogging up Battleclinic and your site with these sloppy bashes... you can do better than this, learning or not.
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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2005, 06:10:49 pm »
I want YOU to stop mutilating starships, and stop clogging up Battleclinic and your site with these sloppy bashes... what is this, the fifth? This sucks.

With all due respect to your opinion Reverend, You might want to write that in a better way. I'd probably write something like, "hmm.. makes a nice target for the Feds TNG adversaries" or something similar. IMHO Models Please is kitbashing is improving.

I am looking forward to a smaller TMP era version myself.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2005, 06:18:08 pm »
I want YOU to stop mutilating starships, and stop clogging up Battleclinic and your site with these sloppy bashes... you can do better than this, learning or not.

I rather think that it looks nice. It definately has the virtue of having never being tried before. It's a really logical design and will no doubt be improved as his abilities improve.

I think it's great, MP... that'll be my SFC large merchantman if you do a TMP version!
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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2005, 09:57:07 pm »
I want YOU to stop mutilating starships, and stop clogging up Battleclinic and your site with these sloppy bashes... you can do better than this, learning or not.


Wow talk about cold. If ya don't like 'em don't D/L 'em. But no need for hostility like that, very not cool Reverend. >:(.
For everyone else, thanks for the support and yes I will be doing a TMP version of it since ya asked for it  ;).

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2005, 10:15:56 pm »
For everyone else, thanks for the support and yes I will be doing a TMP version of it since ya asked for it  ;).

Cool... mind if I do a TOS version then?  :)
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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2005, 10:51:05 pm »
Nice Kitbash but Not to my liking. Dont know why just dont. Of Cource I also have never liked any of the twin hulled fed ships Ive seen either. But at least you can kitbash thast's something I never got use too, or very good at.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2005, 11:00:00 pm »
Thanks Khalee  ;D, I personally am not fond of this one but someone requested it so I tried to hook 'em up. I have a rescaled version I need to post and a TMP version as well to do.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2005, 11:04:07 pm »
I want YOU to stop mutilating starships, and stop clogging up Battleclinic and your site with these sloppy bashes... you can do better than this, learning or not.

Uncalled for, Reverand. there are more civilized ways of criticising someone if you feel it warranted. with the aging of the game we can use as many modellers as we can get. The only for a modeller to get that way is to practice practice practice, face constructive critiques and practice some more. you can start by pointing how his techniques was flawed and what portion of the model you felt was poorly done and why. There is nothing constructive in broadside "your model sucks" type put downs.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2005, 12:55:41 am »
For everyone else, thanks for the support and yes I will be doing a TMP version of it since ya asked for it  ;).

Cool... mind if I do a TOS version then?  :)

Bye all means please do Alec, I kinda figured that would be next lol , if ya could do .brk mods for them as well it would be most appreciated since I dunno how yet. Ok I updated the file at Battleclinic, there are now 2 models in the d/l. A Large and small version of the frieghter. Also I finished 2 TMP versions as well, again a large and small. I'll upload that one in the a.m. cause I'm tired now lol  ;)

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2005, 01:16:12 am »
Here is my critique. modelsplease; do not use a galaxy class saucer for this especially in a TNG era freighter. instead use a primary hull from at least one era in the past. no one would decommission a ship of the line or a ship that could still reasonable be pressed into service in a navy as a reserve ship. it is illogical. if you are going to use a starship primary hull at all it should be an obsolete one. the physical model in your first post makes sense because it could be a decommisioned hull of a small ship like a scout or science ship like the TMP era Grissom. generally speaking a frieght company would have no use for a galaxy hull that could be crewed by 2000 personnel. nor would the starfleet ever ever ever sell as scrap a intact hull that could mount advanced phaser emmiter arrays like that. really a frieghter would not need many personnel at allso such a hull would not make sense. however the cargo pod racK with MSCVAN like containers is classic! I like that.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2005, 01:23:52 am »
keep the nacelles, or don't go farther back than amby nacelles. after the DW war these will be everywhere. Considering the akiras wasted, those wouldn't be a bad idea either. Excelcior or Miranda saucers could work.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2005, 01:29:40 am »
I agree on the nacelles. the warp field would have to extend forward of the front end of the ship s advanced nacelles would make sense. i just object to the saucer.

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2005, 01:50:13 am »
Definitly an Interesting Design, I must admit that it would be easy target Practice for many Races.  One question, the Model Pic you show with it, I might be mistaken but those looke like Ambassador Parts not Galaxy Class kitbash parts.  Just an observation.
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2005, 03:19:43 am »
*shrugs* I want an honest-to-goodness TMP version, not a "Well, TMP lasted to TNG' version.

At least, that's what will make me happy :D

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2005, 08:11:31 am »
Ya know after I did the first one , I too saw it really did look more Ambassador then Galaxy. Even though I used a Nebula saucer  :P. Atheohaven wants to do a TOS version, and I'm gonna release the TMP version. If ya want an Amby or Excel one after that, heck no problemo  ;D
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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP (Hey Norsehound !)
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2005, 08:29:53 am »
TMP version



http://www.battleclinic.com/docks/files/dist/index.php/file,5da86f244249e062ecb0248e54191391.rar

Ok I addressed size issue, I made sure I placed impulse engines on both sides of the ship to balance it out. Comes in 2 sizes.
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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP ( TMP version added 03Nov05 !)
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2005, 01:05:03 pm »
Effort appreciated MP... but I was expecting a constitution saucer with nacelles from WZ's CA... not bashing a stock model of the Miranda with the oversized cargo container.

I suppose it's the bet you can do within the limits of your abilities, which is fine, but I'd still like something closer to the pic to replace the standard 'box freighters' from stock SFC...

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP ( TMP version added 03Nov05 !)
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2005, 02:09:59 pm »
There's nothing stock about it. That ship was designed by Terradhyne. It's his FASA Durret-class destroyer. I scaled the cargo part down, how much smaller did you want it ?

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2005, 06:22:46 pm »
There's nothing stock about it. That ship was designed by Terradhyne. It's his FASA Durret-class destroyer. I scaled the cargo part down, how much smaller did you want it ?

Tough crowd. LOL.

Two things.

1. Regarding the Galaxy or even Nebula Class saucer/nacelle on the TNG version; why not have a galaxyor nebula class saucer? After the Dominion war their might have been a surplus of Galaxy parts new and or salvaged from vessels that could not have been sufficiently repaired as Galaxy or even Nebula classes. Mind you I am not advocating a wide scale mass production of this but a handful of these cobbleled together from salvagable parts works for me. Now, by the time that Voyager ends, Starfleet is moving towards more arrow shaped saucers any way; Intrepid, Nova, Prometheus and even dauntless class designs; I'd even throw in the Achilles class for good measure. I'm not a big TNG fan mind you but I can live with MPs TNG kitbash.

2. The FASA Durette DD by Terradyhne! Wow, what an unexpected and pleasant surprise.  Excellent idea MP.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP ( TMP version added 03Nov05 !)
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2005, 06:26:09 pm »
LOL thanks KF, seems the more I try with this ship the worse it's getting  :P. I liked the idea of using Terradynes durret. I've asked WZ for permission to use his ship for another TMP version. After that....NO MORE LOL . I've had it with this lil freighter, at best it's target practice. yes eye candy but target practice none the less.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP ( TMP version added 03Nov05 !)
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2005, 06:47:04 pm »
There's nothing stock about it. That ship was designed by Terradhyne. It's his FASA Durret-class destroyer. I scaled the cargo part down, how much smaller did you want it ?

Tough crowd. LOL.

Two things.

1. Regarding the Galaxy or even Nebula Class saucer/nacelle on the TNG version; why not have a galaxyor nebula class saucer? After the Dominion war their might have been a surplus of Galaxy parts new and or salvaged from vessels that could not have been sufficiently repaired as Galaxy or even Nebula classes. Mind you I am not advocating a wide scale mass production of this but a handful of these cobbleled together from salvagable parts works for me. Now, by the time that Voyager ends, Starfleet is moving towards more arrow shaped saucers any way; Intrepid, Nova, Prometheus and even dauntless class designs; I'd even throw in the Achilles class for good measure. I'm not a big TNG fan mind you but I can live with MPs TNG kitbash.

2. The FASA Durette DD by Terradyhne! Wow, what an unexpected and pleasant surprise.  Excellent idea MP.

Thank you for sharing these with us.

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A galaxy saucer is designed to house how many people? How much material in it could be dismantled and recycled at the shipyards and used to build the next generation? the hull would likely contain sensitive technologies even if stripped. a friegter only needs a small crew. there is no reason for them to seek a galaxy hull. likely a cruise line might want one but that is another story.

The way i figure decommisioned hulls would end up in civilian hands is first if the ship is operational it goes into mothballs for a good long time then is sold intact or stripped down when it is no longer viable even as a reserve ship. a galaxy is just too new to end up that way. too big to be useful that way. likely to be a military secret or contain forbidden technology. too expensive to just let go; it might be broken down to be used in the new ships.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP ( TMP version added 03Nov05 !)
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2005, 07:16:50 pm »
There's nothing stock about it. That ship was designed by Terradhyne. It's his FASA Durret-class destroyer. I scaled the cargo part down, how much smaller did you want it ?

Tough crowd. LOL.

Two things.

1. Regarding the Galaxy or even Nebula Class saucer/nacelle on the TNG version; why not have a galaxyor nebula class saucer? After the Dominion war their might have been a surplus of Galaxy parts new and or salvaged from vessels that could not have been sufficiently repaired as Galaxy or even Nebula classes. Mind you I am not advocating a wide scale mass production of this but a handful of these cobbleled together from salvagable parts works for me. Now, by the time that Voyager ends, Starfleet is moving towards more arrow shaped saucers any way; Intrepid, Nova, Prometheus and even dauntless class designs; I'd even throw in the Achilles class for good measure. I'm not a big TNG fan mind you but I can live with MPs TNG kitbash.

2. The FASA Durette DD by Terradyhne! Wow, what an unexpected and pleasant surprise.  Excellent idea MP.

Thank you for sharing these with us.

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A galaxy saucer is designed to house how many people? How much material in it could be dismantled and recycled at the shipyards and used to build the next generation? the hull would likely contain sensitive technologies even if stripped. a friegter only needs a small crew. there is no reason for them to seek a galaxy hull. likely a cruise line might want one but that is another story.

The way i figure decommisioned hulls would end up in civilian hands is first if the ship is operational it goes into mothballs for a good long time then is sold intact or stripped down when it is no longer viable even as a reserve ship. a galaxy is just too new to end up that way. too big to be useful that way. likely to be a military secret or contain forbidden technology. too expensive to just let go; it might be broken down to be used in the new ships.

Who says civilians would get a Galaxy/Ambassador/Nebula freighter like this anyway?

I didn't that's for sure.

One of the lessens Starfleet would have learned from the Dominion war would have been in the logistical operations area. Amatuers think tactics, professional soldiers/sailors think logistics. If you don't have the necessary equipment, sufficient troops and supporting supplies to conduct the battle you are doomed to failure in a protracted engagement.

Bad writing aside, in many DS9 episodes the Federation and especially the Klingons were very rarely ever fully supplied fast enough and as such weren't able to carry the fight to the enemy and keep it there for long periods of time.  Now what if Starfleet Materials Command cobbled together a small handful of these type of ships AFTER the Dominion wars and mothballed them in "secure" areas where they might be able to be put back into action relatively quickly.  Now if you are carrying replacement personnell to the forward areas and maybe even evacuating planetary or even a damaged battlegroups long-term care wounded an Ambassador/Nebula/ Galaxy Class saucer would be ideal. Now pretend for a minute the cargo boxes could be made into troop transport containers or even quarters for people on a planet that had suffered a planetary scale disaster. How many Trek stories have we read/heard about or seen where Starfleet can't save enough people on a doomed planet? What I see here is a versitile, multi-role  platform.

Additionally, if the pods had other equipment maybe this could make a mobile base that could coordinate Starfleet logistical operations (not the actually warfighting but the supply/resupply/reinforcement and/or reconstitution operations). This in turn makes them key strategic targets for threat forces.

These ships once in operation, I would imagine would be rare, considered extremely valuable assets and would be defended by a large contingent of escort destroyers, corvettes, PFs and fighters.

In the end, each of us has their own corner of the Trek Multiverse to tweak to his/her hearts content a la "IDIC".

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP ( TMP version added 03Nov05 !)
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2005, 02:40:23 am »
Hey I just went by the pic, after futher review yes it does look more Ambassador, but all i had was this one pic to work with. Guys we are talking about a freighter, no matter how sweet it looks, it's still just a freighter. After getting a really nasty thread post over it I really believe I should have left this (as a lotta other requests) up in the wind. All I was trying to do is hook up a fellow Trekker with a ship they wanted. I know (for the past 5 years I've been around) my requests have fallen on deaf ears. AV taught me how to bash and I thought I would use my new found skill to hook people up with their model requests as best I could. At this point I'm done with it. I never set out to insult anyone, or to claim to be anything other than a basher, (when no one else would tackle requests) I admire those that do model because I know personally I will never be one. I'll stick to textures and helping out with links and making my personal collection availlable to everyone. With this being said I lock this thread and I am sorry my first attemp at a true model was not up to par. I love Star trek and all I ever hope to do is share that enthusiasm with everyone else. This model ia done (on my part) I beg a true modeler to make a better one since the ones I've done are causing strife. Hey it's all good I'm just a model junkie  ;D. This ship is done.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP ( TMP version added 03Nov05 !)
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2005, 02:44:53 am »
Hey modelsplease don't let it get to you my input was intended as a critique not a mean spirited put down. all but one other bit of input was the same thing just suggestions or opinions.

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Re: Union Pacific Class Super Freighter by MP ( TMP version added 03Nov05 !)
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2005, 02:50:28 am »
Hey modelsplease don't let it get to you my input was intended as a critique not a mean spirited put down. all but one other bit of input was the same thing just suggestions or opinions.

Bro it hasn't gotten to me, but serioudly it's a freighter, I have never had a nasty thread post toward me until I attempted this one. I appreciate  critiques because that's how I will improve but this is getting stupid. It's a friggin freighter. No one is gonna use it as a flag ship. Best it is is a target. As promised if I get WZ ok I'll do the TMP with his ship but I'm so over this crap. This ship is done.

ModelsPlease, resident "Model Junkie" recovering from a tragic crayon sharpener accident.