Topic: Yet another server rule idea

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Do you really want to force MORE ppl into DN's? No you don't.

LMAO, fleets have the opposite effect unless a DN pilot is clueless.  The thing a fleet does best is to kill a DN.

[762_XC]

Depends on what race.

Ugh, I feel sick even talking about it. I'd sooner go play SFC3 than deal with that garbage.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Well there are some players who do like the option of fleets in some form, seems to me almost criminal to deny then an occasional "Fleeting Server" even for a "fleeting moment", and even though I personally prefer one ship myself, I think it very selfish to demand all servers be fleetless.

I hope someone does put up a fleet friendly server for those players sometime, I'm sure anyone who objects too much can tolerate a few weeks of SFC III while it is going on.

[Mog]

OMG!! DIZZY USED THE DREADED "OOPS CAPS" ON ME!!! 

What I typed pisses you off? Dude, you were born pissed off, you master of melodrama.

Hexx, you got me on 4. I was going to put play with honour, or sportsmanlike, but then I figured that was covered by the first 3.

Rule 3 covers your cheese fleet scenario, imo.

Karnak, I find your rule 7 deliciously ironic. To see that coming from the biggest chucker of dolls out of the pram is highly amusing. How many times have you left the game since AOTK? I, frankly, don't care if you think my opinion is worthless; yours is of similar value to me.

Risky, taking me to task for not being on recent servers? Fyi, last one I was on was AOTK2, very briefly. Before that, I was on the GW series, which is where I retired.

Reasons for retiring (in no particular order):

Been playing SFC online since August 2000. Things can become stale after that length of time.

I'm still waiting for the Klingon Civil War server to appear - I was much looking forward to that when it was announced some 20 months or so ago. A person can get tired of waiting (Yes, I know the answer to this one, do it myself. Done server admin role before, I'm not taking the sh*t that gets thrown at them, again).

Had enough of racial bias.

Had enough of the "us v them" attitude (alliance v coalition), which came to a head in the last GW server.

Had enough of all the rules lawyering that has become more prevalent in last couple of years.

Had enough of trying to remember all the frkkn rules for servers.

Don't particularly care for the OP+ shiplist, with all that extra melted cheese.

Had enough of the "win at all costs" attitude which pervaded the game.

Question: seeing as I'm no longer actively playing, am I wasting my time checking on this forum (which I use to keep in touch with my friends, and to see if there's any server that appeals to me) and occasionally giving my opinion, as some obviously seem to think?

[Dizzy]

No one doubts your qualifications to post an opinion, Mog, its just that you dont know wtf u are talking about.

[FPF-Wanderer]

Considering Mog's longtime standing in this community and his being a veteran from the earliest days of SFC, to see him treated as shabbily as he has been in this thread appalls me.  Dizzy, Karnak, I believe you both owe him an apology.  Your putdowns are childish and I would expect better from grown men.  Just because he hasn't played in a while doesn't mean that his opinion is any less valid.  He's trying to make a point.  You can agree to disagree with him and leave it at that.

Having said that, I can say that I disagree with my old friend about his disdain for the current ruleset, although I can understand it. Unfortunately, the 'good old days' of being able to just log in to a Dyna and play are long gone, and with it a sizable chunk of our playerbase.  I can name player after player that left this game because the ruleset became larger and larger as time went by, and with it their fun factor.

We talk and talk about having different kinds of campaigns with different rules (or less rules), and yet it never happens.  It's pretty much the same thing time after time now.  At the end of the day, I believe THAT is the point that Mog was trying to make.

And, to answer your question, Mog, no, you are not wasting your time coming here.  Even if you are 'retired', you are still a valued member of this community and always will be, as well as being my friend.  Btw, could you Pm me and explain what 'the biggest chucker of dolls out of the pram' means? 

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

 

Agreed Wanderer.  Sometimes the vocal minority needs to shut up and listen to the usually silent majority when one of its memebers has something to say.  Funny they talk about being nice to newbies in one thread in an effort to attract people, then act rudely to a vet in such a way no one could blame them for leaving.

[Dizzy]

He's trying to make a point.  You can agree to disagree with him and leave it at that.

His point to attenuate the rules to his degree of simplicity is insulting to everyone who contributed to getting them to where they are today. His comments are inflammatory to the EXTREME. His ideas for a return to the 'glory' days of servers with no rules is ridiculous and I'm dissapointed anyone is wasting time on considering anything he has to say... but his comments need to be delt with never the less.

Unfortunately, the 'good old days' of being able to just log in to a Dyna and play are long gone, and with it a sizable chunk of our playerbase.  I can name player after player that left this game because the ruleset became larger and larger as time went by, and with it their fun factor.

Well, the reverse is true to. We lost a lot of players because of fleets of DF's and no rules to govern them and other similar things. If that means we lost the cheese players, then fine by me. Never liked em anyway. Good riddens. Funny how you paint only one side of the fence. You are as bad as mog in that respect.

AFA the 'good old days' is concerned, bah. Tell me what was good about em compared to current servers. More like the bad old days to me... Wanderer, why dont you host a 'Retro' server and see how many play it?

We talk and talk about having different kinds of campaigns with different rules (or less rules), and yet it never happens.  It's pretty much the same thing time after time now.  At the end of the day, I believe THAT is the point that Mog was trying to make.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I FIND SO AT ODDS WITH MOG HERE!!! His comments are SO ambiguous and vague that anyone can interpret them just about anyway they want. Imagine the flaming a dyna would have with his rules.

And, to answer your question, Mog, no, you are not wasting your time coming here.  Even if you are 'retired', you are still a valued member of this community and always will be,,,

Everyone has their opinion, hehehe...

[FPF-DieHard]

We talk and talk about having different kinds of campaigns with different rules (or less rules), and yet it never happens.  It's pretty much the same thing time after time now.  At the end of the day, I believe THAT is the point that Mog was trying to make.

Because it is the same 4 guys putting up servers.

[Mog]

Can anyone else see the irony in this: " His comments are inflammatory to the EXTREME. " coming from Dizzy? 

For the record, Dizzy, I have never advocated returning to the old, unfettered days of D2. My failing , if you like, is in hoping that players, by now, would play in a manner that doesn't exploit game mechanics, and not look for the slightest loophole, i.e. play to the spirit, not the letter. But that's just optimistic, wishful thinking on my part, it seems (see "win at all costs" mentality reference above).

As for me insulting those who have come up with the rules over the years, utter bollocks. That isn't my style, whereas you are quite an expert at it.

Players have left the game for a myriad of reasons, but I would wager the majority have left or lost interest because the game has become so restricitve, and at times resembles an old boys club.

" Imagine the flaming a dyna would have with his rules." Lololol. This coming from the self-stated master of flame wars back in those days. I can hardly believe the quantity of ironical comments that spew from your keyboard. No doubting you're funny.

Anyway, I can see the King of the Dyna doesn't want me here, so link is being removed from bookmarks, and bye all, have fun, catch my remaining friends on MSN sometime.

[Hexx]

Actually Mog I'd hope you stay around (still owe a few beatdowns I think..Kitten)

But one of the statements you make is one that I dislike,
the reason the vast majority of players ahev left is because the game is
so old.
No other reason.

[762_XC]

Dizzy is "King of the Dyna"?

 

[el-Karnak]

Considering Mog's longtime standing in this community and his being a veteran from the earliest days of SFC, to see him treated as shabbily as he has been in this thread appalls me.  Dizzy, Karnak, I believe you both owe him an apology.  Your putdowns are childish and I would expect better from grown men.  Just because he hasn't played in a while doesn't mean that his opinion is any less valid.  He's trying to make a point.  You can agree to disagree with him and leave it at that.

You take things too seriously, and need to think a little more before you post.  Getting a sense of humor would help too.

  means I was joking.

 

Being a longtime community member yourself, you should have realized that  Mog's Z-BCH was a really good addition to the community, so obviously Mog knows a lot about dynas.  I'm also on Mog's side when it comes to the "old boys club" which has damaged the game a lot in the past. It took someone open-minded like Frey that believes in the big-tent approach to breath new life into this ancient game and stop a lot of the political BS that used to go on around here. I would have to be pretty clueless to post a serious post saying Mog doesn't know what he talking about on dynas.  I think people know when I am serious cuz then my posts have a must nastier and ruthless businesslike tone to them. As a longtime community member, you know that

So, unless you have a personal reason to fly off the hammer like that then I recommend you to try to figure out what means next time before posting.

Posters like you really take the fun out of the game sometimes.  Oh well, it's Xmas time. That's always a happy time of the year.

-karma to you for being a party pooper.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Mog's Z-BCH  gave the mirak something that could actually counter a C-7. I'm glad I got a shot at flying it once.

[el-Karnak]

Karnak, I find your rule 7 deliciously ironic. To see that coming from the biggest chucker of dolls out of the pram is highly amusing. How many times have you left the game since AOTK? I, frankly, don't care if you think my opinion is worthless; yours is of similar value to me.

 

Umm, it was a joke, OK?

means I'm not serious.  Even Die Hard knows when I'm joking!!

This forums was so much funner when K'Rolling was around.  Maybe, I should go hang around EVE forums instead.

Anyway, I guess today is a day that you can't take a joke. 

PARTY POOPER!! 

*sigh*

[Dizzy]

Dizzy is "King of the Dyna"?

 

I will be once I mop ur butt on the floor in our F-FDX v F-FDX match. 

[Dizzy]

" Imagine the flaming a dyna would have with his rules." Lololol. This coming from the self-stated master of flame wars back in those days. I can hardly believe the quantity of ironical comments that spew from your keyboard.

I swear I have replaced my keyboard at least twice since those days... It must be something else...

[762_XC]

OMG, pick some real terms.

BCH's or CCH's.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

OMG, pick some real terms.

BCH's or CCH's.

those are real?

Try 2263 CCs 

[762_XC]

Works for me.