Thanks for the thought SkyFlyer, but Hexx should have the disk on the way this week. I have everything all set up and waiting, latest code updates, apropriate VC includes updated etc... just need the platform and directx SDK's, my compile finger is itching to press the button! The kit does not use MFC so theoretically will compile with Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition... (good to keep it all free if possible). The question currently in my mind is will this require the scripting API to be updated and scripts recompiled under the latest VC++ as well..? I'm looking at trying to replace MS ADO and the MyODBC connector with the mysql++ C++ library, but that will take some work... I'm dyin to test this out...