Topic: Stupid SFB dumb background grrr..

[Hexx]

OK need SFBophiles.
(Wanderer  where are you?)

Feds had 3xCVA , one had Dizzy piloting it over Remus and well...
I'm assuming the other 2 were on the Klink Front
Klingons had (according to the text descriptions) at least 5 (!!!!) C8Vk's

Now since I'm not stupid we'll call it 2 as well
So far so good..

Kzin add a SCS (which can't be properly done, call it a CVA)
Lyrans add a SCS (maybe- can't be done anyway and I'd get killed adding a Lyran CVA)
So alliance has slight advantage in the big carriers.

But How many fricking DN's would hte Feds have had on the Klink border?
I'm thinking 3, (and giving the Klinks 2) but I have no idea how many should be there..

This would (btw) have the Heavy Metal at..

Alliance
2 X Fed CVA
2 x Fed DNH
1 x Fed DNG
1 x Kzin SCS (CVA)

Coaliton
2 x C8VK
1 x C10K
1 x C8K/C9 (whichvever is better)
1 x Lyran DNH(t)

Lighter Metal would likely be along the lines of

Alliance
3 X BCG

Coalition
2 X C7
1 X C7V
1 X BCH(t)
1 X C7V (currently being built, completed during second half of server)

Likely both sides would have 1 CX/DX ships


Lighter Units

Kzin
1x PFT
1x CVP

Lyran
1x PFWP
1 x CVP

Federation
1xCVS
1xCVD
1xCVP
2xNCV
2xNVS
2xNVH
1x CAD
2xNCD
1xCF

Klingon
1xD6u
1xD6P
1xD5U
1xD5P
2xD5VK
1xD7VK
3xD5D
1x FD7K

[FPF-DieHard]

All DNG would be upgraded to DNH

All C8/C9 ships would be updraded to C10K

The Napoleon and Zhukov were the 2 CVAs on the Klingon front.   The Napoleon was wrecked fighting the one C8VK that the Klingons built and missed the end of the war.   The Zhokov had a legendary Captain and survived the war in tact.

Oh I give up, this is already too complicated to try to make heads or tails of it.

[Hexx]

??
Don't think it's entirely complicated

Feds lose a CAD in PVP it gets R d out on the list
Klinks lose 2xC7's in PVP they get Rd out on the list

All it really means is that one side can't (for example)

have 2xDN on the board
Lose one attacking a  hex
Have another run out of 5,5

Have 2 mor players buy DN's
have another run out of 5,5
have another run out of 5,5

Lose another
have a 5th or 6th player sign in and run a DN
etc

SGo5 was a fun server, but what wa the point of killing a CCy or CCZ?
or a BCHT?
5 minutes later (sometime as soon as the player got out of mission) the side would be
at the maxmimum amount of Heavy metal again.

[el-Karnak]

SGo5 was a fun server, but what wa the point of killing a CCy or CCZ?
or a BCHT?
5 minutes later (sometime as soon as the player got out of mission) the side would be
at the maxmimum amount of Heavy metal again.

What's wrong with that?  If there is too much Heavy metal on the dyna then reduce the max. BP allowed on.  If you go through the OOB for all the SFB races you will find that the heavy metal (ie. BCH and up ships) and special ships have a roughly 1 to 5 ratio when compared to regular vanilla line ships. So, the admin. should endavour to have the heavy metal BP limit to be configured in such a way that only 20% of the players regularly logged on have the BPs to buy their ACDC or cheesy special ships.

Take SG5 for example:  I would have had the max. BP set at 11 max. That way if one player takes the BB then all the other players have to dump their heavy metal ships.  With 11 BP you can get about 2 BCHs and a bunch of Frog CAs. Or, only one DN, one BCH and one Frog CA.  Anyway, you slice it you have only about 3 heavy metal players per side. Sometimes one, if you have a player hogging the BB.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

"SGo5 was a fun server, but what wa the point of killing a CCy or CCZ?
or a BCHT?
5 minutes later (sometime as soon as the player got out of mission) the side would be
at the maxmimum amount of Heavy metal again."

Perhaps it had something to do with fun?

[Hexx]

"SGo5 was a fun server, but what wa the point of killing a CCy or CCZ?
or a BCHT?
5 minutes later (sometime as soon as the player got out of mission) the side would be
at the maxmimum amount of Heavy metal again."

Perhaps it had something to do with fun?

Fun isn't what I was hearing from newer pilots getting killed by an unlimited supply of enemy BCH's..
Fun isn't what some of the newer players posted about getting killed by enemy HM time & time again.
Fun isn't the word  used on the last couple of servers I've flwon on when hear on voice coms one side complaining
about the other guys fielding "unbeatable combos" and "cheesy ships" .
Seems many players on both sides want to be able to fly whatver they want , but limit the other sides OOB

Again tis one server, and a simple idea

If everyone wants to keep using essentially unlimited heavy metal and mowing through the new players everyone claims we're trying
to keep around knock yourselves out.
It's much less work to simlply fly on one than try and set one up.

[FPF-DieHard]

Fun isn't having lesser pilots completly left out of the HM ships because of fear that they will hurt there side.

[Hexx]

Fun isn't having lesser pilots completly left out of the HM ships because of fear that they will hurt there side.

Fun also isn't telling someone not to fly Lyran metal the last night of the server because they "won't be able to kill ISC"

[FPF-DieHard]

Fun isn't having lesser pilots completly left out of the HM ships because of fear that they will hurt there side.

Fun also isn't telling someone not to fly Lyran metal the last night of the server because they "won't be able to kill ISC"

But did it stop them from flying and having fun?  No.  There is a huge difference between suggesting people take a different fleet configuration that out-right telling people what they can fly.  The "points at a time" system keep things fun and reasonable.   Loosing a ship is punitive, but the loss it not critival to your side like it is in OOB servers.

You're being an ass. You're on your own in figuring out this mess.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Fun isn't having lesser pilots completly left out of the HM ships because of fear that they will hurt there side.

Yeah, this shouldn't happen.
That's part of the reason we lost os many...
Never is a pilot denied the oppritunity to fly a capitol ship at some point if they want.
I only ask that eveyone share the ships...
In other words, if you've been on for a couple hrs with a Capitol ship, and someone else is logging on and wants to fly one, trade down, log in with a different account or something. Take turns. This lets all pilots enjoy flying the Big Guns for a while. 
As it should be...

[762_XC]

Fun is killing an enemy's dread and having a tangible reward for doing so.

Taking a piece off the board is tangible. Earning "attrition points" is not.

Taking down a DN should be a major accomplishment for your side.

[Hexx]

Fun isn't having lesser pilots completly left out of the HM ships because of fear that they will hurt there side.

Fun also isn't telling someone not to fly Lyran metal the last night of the server because they "won't be able to kill ISC"

But did it stop them from flying and having fun?  No.  There is a huge difference between suggesting people take a different fleet configuration that out-right telling people what they can fly.  The "points at a time" system keep things fun and reasonable.   Loosing a ship is punitive, but the loss it not critival to your side like it is in OOB servers.

You're being an ass. You're on your own in figuring out this mess.

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 I agree- the points at a time system is fun, and it does work ,_-- it is NOT by any means punitive.
Again- I'm saying let's set this up for ONE server.
I wouldn't want to see it on every server

[Hexx]

Fun is killing an enemy's dread and having a tangible reward for doing so.

Taking a piece off the board is tangible. Earning "attrition points" is not.

Taking down a DN should be a major accomplishment for your side.

Exactly (god, arguing with DH and agreeing with t00l, what's the D2 coming to..)

For this ONE server it will actually require some (small) amount of planning on where and
when to use DN's.
Not the "let's throw them at every planet we're fighting over"

[Dfly]

Tool, you are right to a good extent, but how is "taking down a DN a major accomplishment for your side" if they can field another within minutes, and even if they lose a dozen, they can field another in minutes?

Hexx wants to try a (1) server where each side has very limited total Heavy Metal available period.  Nothing wrong with that.  He is not trying to change a whole D2 system.

DH, I also beleive that the pilot who was told not to bother flying Lyran heavy metal had every right to fly it as there was room for it on the board at the time.  I dont beleive that actual pilot did at any time(in my few days with you guys) hog any heavy or anything.  Did he have fun in his ship that he ended up flying?  Dont know for sure but most likely.  Would he have enjoyed even more being able to fly the Lyran HM that he wished to fly, I would bet his answer would have been yes.

What is the world coming to?  I support HEXX in 2 statement in the same post?  HELP   

[Soreyes]

Fun is killing an enemy's dread and having a tangible reward for doing so.

Taking a piece off the board is tangible. Earning "attrition points" is not.

Taking down a DN should be a major accomplishment for your side.

I think you hit on a good point there

[762_XC]

Tool, you are right to a good extent, but how is "taking down a DN a major accomplishment for your side" if they can field another within minutes, and even if they lose a dozen, they can field another in minutes?

It's not. That was my point.

I am more partial to the old style build-point OOB. The last two servers have had the "X amount of metal on at a time" style which is fine, but I wouldn't mind seeing the old style for the next one.

[Hexx]

Tool, you are right to a good extent, but how is "taking down a DN a major accomplishment for your side" if they can field another within minutes, and even if they lose a dozen, they can field another in minutes?

Hexx wants to try a (1) server where each side has very limited total Heavy Metal available period.  Nothing wrong with that.  He is not trying to change a whole D2 system.

DH, I also beleive that the pilot who was told not to bother flying Lyran heavy metal had every right to fly it as there was room for it on the board at the time.  I dont beleive that actual pilot did at any time(in my few days with you guys) hog any heavy or anything.  Did he have fun in his ship that he ended up flying?  Dont know for sure but most likely.  Would he have enjoyed even more being able to fly the Lyran HM that he wished to fly, I would bet his answer would have been yes.

What is the world coming to?  I support HEXX in 2 statement in the same post?  HELP   

Ahh but I quoted DH out of context (and I was bitter I have to actually work and learn how to do something... bastard)
I have again manipulated and twisted another players words for my own evil uses.
I suppose I should apologize, but I've still got 168 karma for you to work through so..

And everyone supports me, just not everyone has come along far enough to admit it
You've grown a little today Dfly
I'm very proud of you 

(Hey I agreed with t00l earlier.. I'm still a littel queasy)

[Dfly]

Dang it all now Hexx, if I have grown a little, then that puts you WAY shorter than me.  Means your head only comes to(edited for fear of incrimination)

[Dizzy]

Fun isn't having lesser pilots completly left out of the HM ships because of fear that they will hurt there side.

Fun also isn't telling someone not to fly Lyran metal the last night of the server because they "won't be able to kill ISC"

But did it stop them from flying and having fun?  No.  There is a huge difference between suggesting people take a different fleet configuration that out-right telling people what they can fly.  The "points at a time" system keep things fun and reasonable.   Loosing a ship is punitive, but the loss it not critival to your side like it is in OOB servers.

You're being an ass. You're on your own in figuring out this mess.

Not even if he had a map.

Ahh but I quoted DH out of context (and I was bitter I have to actually work and learn how to do something... bastard)
I have again manipulated and twisted another players words for my own evil uses.
I suppose I should apologize...

Yeah, but you didnt apologize. And yes you twist... At least I can paint it black and white. So how bout this: I told TT to sell his L-DNH cuz it wouldnt kill the ISC fleet we were gonna hunt with duck and me and he should instead get a F-DNH. He wanted to go Lyran and explained if we needed DF, I could fly the FDN and he'd be happy with a support ship instead. TT is all about TEAM, Hexx, but what do you know about TEAM? How bout this:

I can understand the need for the WG. 

But is there any way to make sure the side's are more even before the server starts?

No.   Polls don't work, are never acurate, and people lie.   

The only thing and admin you can do is make sure each side has a zealous RM to rally the troops and nag people to show up set the races on each alliance with a "best guess" as to what will be even. 

For the record, I don't like the idea of people switching sides but I've been on boths sides of a blowout and that sucks more.

<snips huge speech>

Well I guess that certainly put me in my place.. 

Yes I'll take teh blame for the Alliance getting whacked on SGO5, they needed a more inspirational RM after Brax had the hurricane (or was it two).
Actually any leader like figure would have been handy..

But I have to agree, getting a solid RM who knows the players on his (or her) side is far more important than setting up some geese rules.

You shouldnt even have a place. And you have no idea of the concept TEAM. And I was SHOCKED when you decided to switch to the enemy side at the end! If you know anything about TEAM, its all about the knife in the back. When it comes time for selecting another RM, I hope they use at least a yardstick for height requirements.

but I've still got 168 karma for you to work through so...

Make that 167. I doubt anyone in this community would disagree with me on this one. Grrrr. Wait till you REALLY have to do your own server yourself without getting someone (DH) to do it for you. Then talk smack, midget boy. Till then STFU and stick to your stupid polls.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Hexx switched sides at the end when he was supposed to be back-up to Braxton?

[Hexx]

yes I did
Then I paid Kytarh to make up the post about me taking on his C10K with
my DGX with 1/2 hour left on the server


And Dizzy- how exactly did I twist things?
did TT actually sound happy to you?
Of course he switched out, what's he going to do tell
2 of the core Alliance players that he's keeping the ship he wanted to fly?

You told him -despite the fact that he'd done so on the server- that he & his ship
weren't up to the job. He said he was.
You said he needed a Fed DNH to do it,
He said he didn't know how to fly Fed, but that he could do it as Lyran

You "asked" him to get out of the ship so another Fed DNH could be put on the board.
Finally he agreed- because yes, TT is a team player

But did he seem happy at the idea to you? Are you so wrapped up in yourself that
you though he jumped at the opportunity?

You were the server admin- and you told a player to get out of a ship he obviously wanted to
fly .

So have fun knocking the Karma down Diz, you're still a f*ckin idiot.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Ok you guys, get over this now.

Dizzy since when has Hexx's leadership been indispensable?  No one takes him seriously anyhows   
It is a game and he played to have fun, while I personally think it was a bad idea for a RM to switch,  everyone is entitled to make the choice to do what they see as fun.  I respect Hexx's right  to have fun in the manner of his choosing,  even if that meant he switched over as an RM.  Should Hexx RM again however, it will likely make it harder to pull pilots to follow him, but then again thats always been the case with Hexx 

And Hexx, I think what you forget about this Team player bit is that Trama Tech made his own decision on the matter choosing what would be the most fun for him, ie playing team ball.  If he wanted, he could have stayed in his ship, but he made a decision that going along with the team would ultimately be more fun for him, even if it wasn't his first choice at the time.  I wasn't on when this episode occurred, but I have learned enough about TT to know that he can stand up for himself and wasn't intimidated by other pilots in the least, but made his own descision about whether or not to change ships.  He looked at the situation weighed the merits of the comments and made a decision.  I think anyone suggesting otherwise is doing TT an injustice by questioning his ability to make such a decision, although I'm sure that is not your intent.

So would you guys just let this drop.

[Hexx]

Ok you guys, get over this now.

Dizzy since when has Hexx's leadership been indispensable?  No one takes him seriously anyhows   
It is a game and he played to have fun, while I personally think it was a bad idea for a RM to switch,  everyone is entitled to make the choice to do what they see as fun.  I respect Hexx's right  to have fun in the manner of his choosing,  even if that meant he switched over as an RM.  Should Hexx RM again however, it will likely make it harder to pull pilots to follow him, but then again thats always been the case with Hexx 

And Hexx, I think what you forget about this Team player bit is that Trama Tech made his own decision on the matter choosing what would be the most fun for him, ie playing team ball.  If he wanted, he could have stayed in his ship, but he made a decision that going along with the team would ultimately be more fun for him, even if it wasn't his first choice at the time.  I wasn't on when this episode occurred, but I have learned enough about TT to know that he can stand up for himself and wasn't intimidated by other pilots in the least, but made his own descision about whether or not to change ships.  He looked at the situation weighed the merits of the comments and made a decision.  I think anyone suggesting otherwise is doing TT an injustice by questioning his ability to make such a decision, although I'm sure that is not your intent.

So would you guys just let this drop.

Bastard, I hate it when you're right 

And for the record- I didn't switch sides, I even managed to draft an enemy DN is the last bit of the server and keep him busy for all of 5 or 6 minutes I think 

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Then why did you post this a little earlier?

"yes I did
Then I paid Kytarh to make up the post about me taking on his C10K with
my DGX with 1/2 hour left on the server"

[Dizzy]

So I'm the devil telling TT that a LDN cant take down an ISC+Klink Fleet and he needs to fly the FDN instead? hehehe, u have it in for me, dickweed. We just had gone thru a battle where Duck crashed out of it... but had a good 25 mins of seeing just how good a LDN and 2 support ships did against what we were trying to hunt... And I did say at the end of trying to convince TT that what he wanted to fly wouldnt work that fine, take the LDN and we will just do it. I was gonna let him see 1st hand, providing Duck doesnt crash out again after another futile 25 mins, just how useless it is using our current ship combo vs what they had. How dare you mince words and tell me I 'ordered' a player to change ships! That's ur job as RM, oh, sorry you were having an identity crisis and couldnt function properly. If you were so concerned about TT's feelings on the matter why didnt you stand up and say something about it then? Oh, sorry forgot, you cant reach the mic. You need to STFU.

At least I stuck around for more than one mission the last three days of the server. And at least I posted once or twice in the Alliance threads the last three days of the server. You need to STFU.

[Hexx]

Then why did you post this a little earlier?

"yes I did
Then I paid Kytarh to make up the post about me taking on his C10K with
my DGX with 1/2 hour left on the server"

LOL uhmm gee Dax, guess you caught me.

[Hexx]

So I'm the devil telling TT that a LDN cant take down an ISC+Klink Fleet and he needs to fly the FDN instead? hehehe, u have it in for me, dickweed. We just had gone thru a battle where Duck crashed out of it... but had a good 25 mins of seeing just how good a LDN and 2 support ships did against what we were trying to hunt... And I did say at the end of trying to convince TT that what he wanted to fly wouldnt work that fine, take the LDN and we will just do it. I was gonna let him see 1st hand, providing Duck doesnt crash out again after another futile 25 mins, just how useless it is using our current ship combo vs what they had. How dare you mince words and tell me I 'ordered' a player to change ships! That's ur job as RM, oh, sorry you were having an identity crisis and couldnt function properly. If you were so concerned about TT's feelings on the matter why didnt you stand up and say something about it then? Oh, sorry forgot, you cant reach the mic. You need to STFU.

At least I stuck around for more than one mission the last three days of the server. And at least I posted once or twice in the Alliance threads the last three days of the server. You need to STFU.

And heh, let's get thi RM crap out of the way..

I joined as ARM as I felt that I could handle player complaints, figured Brax would run the show
Unfortunately the hurricane(s?) hit and Brax had much bigger stuff to worry about
So it fell to me.
I tried -by my own admission- later than I should have to post some plans to deal with the
attack by bypassing it.
They were ignored by the alliance players, said OK, try again the next night, they were ignored also
While the ideas may have been crap, some feedback would have been nice
When I was online those two nights, Dizzy & DH were directing things, people directed theier
questions at them,and they were told where to attack.
** Dizzy & Dh are much better at the planning stuff than I am**, so I'm not saying we should have stuck with
the plan I came up with.

However- if the Alliance players are not going to listen to anything I say, if I have no support
from two of the core Alliance players, and if the Alliance players are going to continuosly ask
Dh & Dizzy where to go and what to attack- I'm not really the RM am I?

Please don't take this as a criticism of their decision to do this, you both directed and fought the war
much better than I could have.
But when what I post is ignored, and you two take over, I honestly don't feel I have any responsibility
to act as RM.
Respect goes both ways.

As Chuut pointed out, my persona here is, and has always been ,a joke , people decided they didn't want to
follow me, their choice and I'm fine with that.
The Alliance made it 100% clear they didn't want me as RM, and it was probably a good choice.
but don't come after me now saying I owed them something

[Dizzy]

I tried -by my own admission- later than I should have to post some plans to deal with the
attack by bypassing it.
They were ignored by the alliance players, said OK, try again the next night, they were ignored also
While the ideas may have been crap, some feedback would have been nice
When I was online those two nights, Dizzy & DH were directing things, people directed theier
questions at them,and they were told where to attack.
** Dizzy & Dh are much better at the planning stuff than I am**, so I'm not saying we should have stuck with
the plan I came up with.

So not only are you short, but you have an inferriority complex too?  You probably dont remember that DH and I were hunting players. And with the likes of others pvpers those nights, we were going for pvp points, just as important as hexes, imo. A good RM will recognize the two kinds of players he has, hex flippers and pvpers and direct accordingly. I will grudgingly do hex flip work when needed, but I dont like it. Keep this in mind next time you find yourself in a leadership position, you need to cater to two groups of players, not one.

However- if the Alliance players are not going to listen to anything I say, if I have no support
from two of the core Alliance players, and if the Alliance players are going to continuosly ask
Dh & Dizzy where to go and what to attack- I'm not really the RM am I?

Gee, I never heard you stand up to me and DH for yourself... But you sure can stand up for TT. 

Please don't take this as a criticism of their decision to do this, you both directed and fought the war
much better than I could have.

Oh please, spare me your twisted thoughts. As example, Duck asked me what to do and what the orders were when he flipped as geese and I explained to him I wasnt running the show and currently we didnt have orders and that I wasnt gonna take the role, it was yours and that I hadnt seen you since you decided to defect. I suggested someone else do it...

But when what I post is ignored, and you two take over, I honestly don't feel I have any responsibility
to act as RM.
Respect goes both ways.

Go to the SFC2 alliance forums and show me where we 'took over'. You are so fos.

As Chuut pointed out, my persona here is, and has always been ,a joke

If it wasnt before, it is now.

The Alliance made it 100% clear they didn't want me as RM, and it was probably a good choice.
but don't come after me now saying I owed them something

No, I think YOU made that 100% clear around Fri or Sat night on week 3 when we didnt have any orders, no one to tell us where to go or what to do and we were left floundering like a rudderless boat in an angry sea. Tough sailors do not a smooth sea make. You want to be RM, get in where the storm is. Leadership isnt for the timid. You have made it 100% clear you arnt interested in the role. Not us.

And yes, you owed us at the least the respect to tell us you were quitting as RM instead of being half assed about it and letting us wonder wtf you and we were doing. I think you still owe us something, although you probably wont figure it out even if u had a map.

[Hexx]

QAhh so again- even though the ops and stuff I had posted a week or two before
went ignored and unresponded to, and that people were asking you and HD where to attack I should have just spent my limited time writing up ops that no one was going to use or reply to?
Even simply to tell me they sucked?

As I said- the Alliance pilots chose twice not to follow what I had posted, they did choose to follow your's an DH's instructions on what to attack and what hexes they should run down.

And it was probably a much better idea for them to do so

But if the player base chooses not to try what I ask, and to follow someone else's lead they've chosen not to follow me . _if they've chosen not to follow me I personally don't feel I have any responsibility to keep posting Ops.
Maybe I'm just a bad person


And of course i didn't stand up to you and DH, why would I want to?
You can both do a better job of planning and executing a strategy than I can,and the
Alliance players tend to follow you both. I would have had to pots some long whining diatrabe in the forums complaining that I'm the RM so everyone has to listen to me for a job that I didn't really wnat, and one that the both f you were far more qualified for.

I've told DH , and I think I've told you- you two are for all intents and purposes the
Alliance RM's-whether you want to be or not.

[Dizzy]

whatever.

[762_XC]

RULES

2. Messages should always maintain a respectful, civil tone towards one another. Name-calling,
personal attacks, baiting of others, and abuse is not allowed.


Knock it off with the insults guys. Official warning.

[Dizzy]

whatever.

[el-Karnak]

Umm, why do this need to get so nasty?  No need to get into the name-calling, me thinks.  In addition, why is internal Alliance affairs being discussed in a public forum?  That's a major faux pas.

As for RM and ARMs in SFC2. I would say that this game has been plagued by ineffective leaders more than the SFC3 dynas I played in DomWars. Pretty much a good RM has to be able to stay on top on things. Basically, if they are not playing 2 hours a night, 6 out of 7 nights a week, then they are not doing their jobs.  In addition, if the RM/ARM is not polling the forums on a daily basis then that's a dismissal offence because they are supposed to be leading with ops. and snuffing out flame wars.  In the end, players quickly find out who are the effecitive leaders and listen to them. No amount of grand-standing will change those facts.  Difference in this game is that not too many Admins. are holding their RMs to meeting the minimum standards, as detailed above. This is a sad situation because the players are not getting the leadership they deserve and the side that is plagued with ineffective leadership gets a double whammy with "too many" ad-hoc chiefs taking matter into their own hands. Then the CnC structure is for all intents and purposes destroyed.

Dynas campaigns are all about teamwork. For that you need leaders with dedication (ie. play a lot, monitor forums a lot), setup a viable CnC structures (ie. players always knows who is the boss anytime they are logged on AND they actually respect that leader's ability), and finally are discreet (ie. not private forums stuff in the public domain so people don't get OTT hostile and wreck team cohesion). 

That's what it takes to win a dyna.  There's no getting around it.  Sorry.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

In the end it is simply a game, and not worth beating each other up over on the forums, if something didn't work think about why it didn't, discuss it civillaly, work together to solve the problem and move on.

Now lets try to support each other instead of this nonsense.

[el-Karnak]

In the end it is simply a game, and not worth beating each other up over on the forums, if something didn't work think about why it didn't, discuss it civillaly, work together to solve the problem and move on.

Now lets try to support each other instead of this nonsense.

What he said a thousand million times too. It's about having fun. Good Admins and good RMs will always make sure you are having fun, too.

People should not be name-calling each other over a game.  Better not to play then. Instead of getting into such venal banter, U could go play your favorite DVD on your PC, or do something with your family. U can walk your dog, and watch him drag you all over the neighborhood chasing cats and squirrels and hope he does not dis-locate your shoulder.

[Dfly]

Sorry Dizzy, but your careless disrespect toward someone who is monitoring this set of postings, is rude, unnecessary, and in poor taste.  I did not give you or Hexx any minus, but at least respect those around you please.  This goes for Hexx as well, and any others who show disrespect.

[Dizzy]

whatever

[FPF-Paladin]

Let me get this straight...

Dizzy, Hexx, Karnak, TT and DH were all on the Alliance side at the same time...

... AND I MISSED IT??



*prepares for hara-kiri*

[el-Karnak]

Let me get this straight...

Dizzy, Hexx, Karnak, TT and DH were all on the Alliance side at the same time...

... AND I MISSED IT??



*prepares for hara-kiri*

Actually, I was on the Coalition side. 

[shin]

i think EVERYONE needs to stfu and settle down -.-...........and you people wonder why people leave....GET TO IN PRIVATE NOT IN PUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!!! omg im tired of seeing all the complaining....some one always needs something to complain about, how about everyone stops complaining for a month about meaningless BS like hexx n diz are doin....eh?...well? it might actually HELP -.-

[FPF-Paladin]

Let me get this straight...

Dizzy, Hexx, Karnak, TT and DH were all on the Alliance side at the same time...

... AND I MISSED IT??



*prepares for hara-kiri*

Actually, I was on the Coalition side. 

Eh, okay.

I think someday I need to fly Coalition, just once at least... my list of "must fly with" (allied to that ist..) still needs work...

.. and yes, no need for flames.  It's enough to know there are passionate pilots here, it's not really isn't necessary is it?

[FPF-DieHard]

It was kinda mild, only people I yelled at were Josh and Dizzy 

[Strat]

Lock the thread.. move it to the grave yard...

[Bonk]

Bonk's thoughts in general on this topic:

In the last seven years I have never flown a ship larger than a CCH on a serious server. I still had fun.

I think BB fests are silly.

I do not understand why so many want to fly big ships. (I'm reminded of how people refer to sportscars as compensation for inadequate male anatomy) Neither do I understand why people freak out and cry like babies if they all cant fly a BB or CVA.

I had fun on vanilla servers.

Herr Burt servers rock!

I thought the "slot" was a great idea.

I miss Skull.

We need to get SQL working to bring him back! (we have finally started the process that will tell us exactly where the problems are...)

I still want to finish a complete SFB style OoB interface based on the OP+4 shiplist once we have the SQL server stabilised.

Do not take any of this too seriously, or personally,  please.

[762_XC]

I really hope you guys nail the SQL thing. Without it I fear for the future of D2.

[FPF-Paladin]

:/

Umm, well cool if you could make sense out of this:

it's not really isn't necessary is it?

*dizzy from trying to dissect the quote*

Darn... thanks for not jumping on that one, left myself wide open.

<.<

>.>

(No, that's not an invitation for Kroma or anyone to cut me up )

Yeah, tame I guess.  Would you believe I worry about you guys?

[KBFLordKrueg]

Let me get this straight...

Dizzy, Hexx, Karnak, TT and DH were all on the Alliance side at the same time...

... AND I MISSED IT??



*prepares for hara-kiri*

Actually, I was on the Coalition side. 

Eh, okay.

I think someday I need to fly Coalition, just once at least... my list of "must fly with" (allied to that ist..) still needs work...

.. and yes, no need for flames.  It's enough to know there are passionate pilots here, it's not really isn't necessary is it?

You're always welcome to, sir! 

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

I'd like to as well. I just need to work on my drone wave some more. 

[CaptJosh]

All this fuss about who's in charge and following orders is enough to make me threaten to take on being Alliance RM for a server or three. 
Flames and name calling? Pity parties? Sheesh! I've got to believe that I'm capable enough in a leadership role to actually do better than what has been done.

Hexx, you complain that nobody looked at your op-ords on SFC2.net. Did you post here that there were new orders there? This has been SOP for as long as I've been able to play on the dyna.

As for the folks who do read the orders but didn't do anything to help carry them out, you may not respect Hexx, but at least you should have respected the title he held, that of Assistant Race Mananger. Since Braxton was out of the picture, the duties of leading the Alliance did actually fall on Hexx's (admittedly small) shoulders. As the Indians in this tribe, it was our job to make the Chief's job as easy as possible. Because people ignored the plan and went off to do their own thing, what basically finally happened was Hexx throwing his hands in the air and saying "Screw you guys, I'm going home."

I think it's time we sat down and realized that just because we tease Hexx 'bout small stature and supposed lack of leadership ability doesn't mean that the jokes are the truth. Hexx is, for the most part, a good-natured type and he takes the teasing in stride. Unfortunately, some folks seem to have gotten the idea that the teasing is the truth when we're really just having some fun.

I wasn't able to finish the server due to real life rearing its ugly head and biting me in the ass, but from the looks of it, I don't think I missed anything except a lot of bitching and moaning. Time to be pulling heads out of asses, folks. If we can't separate the joking from what's real, maybe we should stop teasing Hexx until folks get their heads screwed on straight and we learn who he actually is.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Let's see, I do recall Hexx posting to go to sfc2.net to read instructions at least twice.
"Sticky: FRIDAY OPS_ Operation F*CK the NEBULAS"  37 reads
"LOOK!!!!'   15 reads

You're going to RM the alliance? You hardly showed up on the last server and I remember being on while you just sat on TS talking our ears off while among other things wondering which other game you should play because you weren't about to play this one. Sorry about RL and the end of the server, but what about the above time you loitered on TS?

[CaptJosh]

I got side-tracked, admittedly, but I got done with the other games fairly quickly (for me) and I was going to play more when my internet finally got cut off because I couldn't pay the bill. Right now I'm working on a new job and a new place to stay, as I'm not only out of work but out of my apartment.

As for my lack of play on one server, that really doesn't have a lot to do with RMing a totally different one. I don't know that I'd get any more respect than Hexx, but nobody's making short jokes about me all the time so that has to be a plus, there. And while I'm not a great pilot, what does that have to do with mediating disputes and planning strategy? Given my general addiction to RTS games (Real-Time Strategy games. I've got every Command & Conquer game except C&C: Generals), I ought to be good at looking at the map and planning objectives. I do know that had I been the Alliance RM or ARM for SGO5. I would not have been playing the other two games I got side-tracked onto as I would have been busy with matters involved in coodination of Allied forces on the server.

I'm thinking that it wouldn't be the next server that I'd volunteer for at this point, though. I have to get work and get myself out of the hole I'm in at the moment. But I'm willing to take a crack at it in the near future and the fact that I'm willing has got to count for something.

[FPF-DieHard]

"Sticky: FRIDAY OPS_ Operation F*CK the NEBULAS" 

That was priceless 

PS.   More "newb" training will commence on Monday.   I wantto focus on 1v1, I'm sure we can get others to help in fleet actions

[Dfly]

+1 to you Josh, for willingness to take a stance, and stating the crap put on Hexx.

[CaptJosh]

I appreciate that, DFly. Hexx is a good guy to put up with the sh*t we give him. Unfortunately, some folks seem to see only that we give him a hard time rather than the fact that we wouldn't tease him if he wasn't our friend. So like I said, maybe it's time to lay off a while so folks get the idea that the jokes are just that, only jokes, not what we really think of our buddy.