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Quote from: 762_XC on October 31, 2005, 11:53:53 amSockfoot was somebody who wrote a long D2 term paper which basically said PvP should be avoided at all costs, because running quick missions against the AI was the only way to win a server.It was written way back in Articfire days but unfortunately it's still true.Actually Sockfoot was one of the most skilled and honorable pilots ever to play the game. He advocated not fighting a battle on the enemies terms but rather adopting strategy that best suited the goal of your side. He actually believed in the concept of strategy rather than getting into the most uber PvP ship you could find and refusing to get out of it, preferring not to think but just sitting on a front line hexx with your best wing combination and waiting for someone to draft you. He wasn't just a hex flipper like some would like to portray him as, although he could hex flip if it was called for, he was also skilled in PvP and one of the best ever at strategy and having more impact from his missions than could ever be achieved by mindless hex flipping. So I call a sockfoot server one that makes it possible to use your brain to explore numerous strqategic options not limited by inordinate numbers of server rules restrictions (aimed at Nerfing those who know how to use such tactics) that are imposed because someone doesn't want to have to use their brain to counter their opposition and would rather sit on one hex in their awesome PvP boat to do so.Now there are some good rules and many of these are necessary, but they should be made to achieve balance and to allow for all levels of strategy.
Sockfoot was somebody who wrote a long D2 term paper which basically said PvP should be avoided at all costs, because running quick missions against the AI was the only way to win a server.It was written way back in Articfire days but unfortunately it's still true.
Civil war servers should work well, yopu can alolow lots of freedoms since the shiplists will be the same for all.
It worked though? I can see people taking a 5pt loss than risking a 20 pt loss,
Quote from: KAT Chuut-Ritt on October 31, 2005, 01:32:14 pmCivil war servers should work well, yopu can alolow lots of freedoms since the shiplists will be the same for all.Speaking of those..Did you know the Kzin had their own late-era Civil War?Now we have yet another one to work on...
Quote from: Hexx on October 31, 2005, 01:37:33 pmQuote from: KAT Chuut-Ritt on October 31, 2005, 01:32:14 pmCivil war servers should work well, yopu can alolow lots of freedoms since the shiplists will be the same for all.Speaking of those..Did you know the Kzin had their own late-era Civil War?Now we have yet another one to work on... Actually the Kzin had tons of early and extra early Civil wars, that would be a real fun server!
LOL I can barely kill something with spd 32 dronez, I don't want to think about spd 16...
Quote from: Hexx on October 31, 2005, 01:26:20 pmIt worked though? I can see people taking a 5pt loss than risking a 20 pt loss,Yes, it worked. People did there damndest to not get chased off. This also made and hour long battle that ends in disengamnet worht something.I bagged over 10 DNs and lost 2 that server. When was the last time we had that level of attrtion?Make DN/BCH ships worth something if run off and you will see PvP get dirty again.
Too complicated. You don't need a rule to balance this when the shiplist already does it. People shouldn't even be flying DNL's when DNH's are out.
Quote from: 762_XC on October 31, 2005, 02:25:10 pmToo complicated. You don't need a rule to balance this when the shiplist already does it. People shouldn't even be flying DNL's when DNH's are out. Well that was just an example, fact is some DNs are not even close to being balanced and perhaps we should consider some minor adjustments for that, just something to consider.As for it being too complicated, it could be simplified by assigning a standard disengage VC award based on the ship before the server. For example a F-DNG is worth 5 pts a Fed DNH is worth 7. Make it a little more costly if you are forced out flying the biggest baddest boat.
Quote from: KAT Chuut-Ritt on October 31, 2005, 02:37:51 pmQuote from: 762_XC on October 31, 2005, 02:25:10 pmToo complicated. You don't need a rule to balance this when the shiplist already does it. People shouldn't even be flying DNL's when DNH's are out. Well that was just an example, fact is some DNs are not even close to being balanced and perhaps we should consider some minor adjustments for that, just something to consider.As for it being too complicated, it could be simplified by assigning a standard disengage VC award based on the ship before the server. For example a F-DNG is worth 5 pts a Fed DNH is worth 7. Make it a little more costly if you are forced out flying the biggest baddest boat. No one in his right mind will fly a DNG over a DNH. You can assign a 2 point VC difference or a 200 point difference. It won't matter.Don't make rules more complicated just for the sake of doing so. There has to be a gameplay benefit for it to be worth it.
Just a thought. How about having say only 2 or 3 size DNs in total? Say a DNL, a DNH, and a BB? Skip all the other stuff and make it a little more simple. Have all the races that would be in it having such said ships have equality(as close as can be achieved). If it makes things down to 2 DNs per race, or 4, so be it.This would be in conjunction with the emphasis on having a (as used for example somewhere above) 5 DV shift for running and a 20 DV shift for dying.
Like I said Chuut, DNL won't be flown when DNH is out. The shiplist already accomplishes what your rule is trying to.And rating DN's like that is highly subjective - and likely to cause strife - for no real benefit IMHO.
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