Topic: Could someone make this? (Read 9524 times)

jep2000316 · « **on:** October 14, 2005, 02:01:55 am »

I kitbashed this picture a while ago and was wondering if someone could model it if they think its worth it?

Starforce2 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2005, 02:12:07 am »

that could make a good chandley too.

Terradyhne · « **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2005, 04:57:07 am »

this is a good design idea but you should add a dual torpedolauncher on the underside of the saucer instead of getting it out to the front (Shanks and Cheetah classes have such torplaunchers)
and in the front were your torp launcher is you should add three small deflectors

Norsehound · « **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2005, 05:25:14 am »

*shrugs* The miranda doesn't have any major deflector dishes to contend with, why does this one have to?

Put a rollbar on the top, swing the torpedo launcher up there and it'll look like a cool ship I'd have sub as my CL.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2005, 06:19:12 am »

A rollbar wouldn't look that great imho without the extra deck structure of a miranda. I say leave the torp where it is.. This is obviously a specialsed vessel with those soyuz antenna, not a destroyer.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2005, 10:47:46 am »

I normally don't care for kitbashes and I've never actually made one before (I prefer to make models from scratch), but this one piqued my interest. Here's a rough kitbash I just put together from P81's Enterprise and Cleeve's Soyuz class from Staryards.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2005, 12:18:44 pm »

Nice job Mr.T, though personally I'm not keen on this particular design I'm sure a few people will enjoy having this ship in game.

-MP

Mackie · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2005, 01:58:29 pm »

A nice bash

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2005, 03:37:45 pm »

It's not quite finished and I haven't gotten permission yet. jep2000316, can you post some more details on how the torpedo launchers and shuttle bay (I'm assuming that the thing on the back is a shuttle bay) is supposed to look? Does everyone think the models I'm using are ok (assuming I get permission from P81 and Cleeve), or are there some other ones I should look in to?

jep2000316 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2005, 03:44:08 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on October 14, 2005, 10:47:46 am

I normally don't care for kitbashes and I've never actually made one before (I prefer to make models from scratch), but this one piqued my interest. Here's a rough kitbash I just put together from P81's Enterprise and Cleeve's Soyuz class from Staryards.

Thats great!!!! I knew someone whould try it

.. As for my idel for it I think of it as a deep space scout hence the extra sensor pods(the Soyuz antennas) and two impulse engines.It would have a small crew therefore it doesn't have the extra deck structure lke the Miranda.I would like a small Shuttle bay on but I don't know where one would work..On the picture I put on the aft part of the Saucer between the Impulse engines but I don't think that really works.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2005, 03:51:22 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on October 14, 2005, 03:37:45 pm

It's not quite finished and I haven't gotten permission yet. jep2000316, can you post some more details on how the torpedo launchers and shuttle bay (I'm assuming that the thing on the back is a shuttle bay) is supposed to look? Does everyone think the models I'm using are ok (assuming I get permission from P81 and Cleeve), or are there some other ones I should look in to?

I like what you done so far..As for the Torps and Shuttle bay ..I'm not married to either so use your best judgement just keep the basic shape and look and I'm happy.

Norsehound · « **Reply #11 on:** October 14, 2005, 10:02:37 pm »

*Shrugs* Again, why not? The shuttlebay would work there, since you have a 'split' engineering I assume.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 14, 2005, 10:43:01 pm »

Quote from: Norsehound on October 14, 2005, 10:02:37 pm

*Shrugs* Again, why not? The shuttlebay would work there, since you have a 'split' engineering I assume.

Yea sure that would work..I just wondered if it would seem big anough(Yes I know that really dosen't matter)for a Shuttle bay.. I mean it would only carry maybe two shuttles so it wouldn't need to much room.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2005, 03:32:35 pm »

Unless we're also writing up deck plans for this ship, we don't really know how big or small the shuttle bay actually is. All you can see from the outside is the hanger doors, so relatively small hanger doors doesn't necessarily mean a small shuttle bay.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 16, 2005, 05:57:33 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on October 16, 2005, 03:32:35 pm

Unless we're also writing up deck plans for this ship, we don't really know how big or small the shuttle bay actually is. All you can see from the outside is the hanger doors, so relatively small hanger doors doesn't necessarily mean a small shuttle bay.

Ok.. then leave it there and see what you can do..Thanks you doing a great job.I just like seeing something I "designed" coming to lfe so to speak.

Terradyhne · « **Reply #15 on:** October 19, 2005, 02:30:11 am »

for my taste it looks more bad with this Torpbay sticking out of the front of saucer on the model, than it looked at the schematic/blueprint

Norsehound · « **Reply #16 on:** October 19, 2005, 04:46:27 am »

Yeah, and I wasn't too fond of the chicago model (SFB) with it's weapons hanging off of the front of the saucer.

Why not replace the two lower (Phaser batteries? Sensor pods?) with torpedo tubes instead? It would free up the front for the supposed saucer navigational deflector (or were those elsewhere? anyway-) and it wouldn't look so...odd?

two cents.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #17 on:** October 19, 2005, 02:52:19 pm »

That sounds like a good idea. I wasn't planning on leaving the front of the saucer like that anyway. That was just some very rough mesh adjusting to make it look more like the picture. I was planning on replacing the boxy saucer front with two small, somewhat rectangular shaped deflector dishes on either side of the torp launcher, but Norsehound's idea sounds like it will look better.

I'm having some problems with my computer and am reinstalling Windows. Don't worry, I have all of my work saved, so as soon as I have everything up to speed again I can get back to work on this ship.

Norsehound · « **Reply #18 on:** October 19, 2005, 06:03:28 pm »

And if we're really onto adding stuff, why not put a rollbar where the two top sensor pods are now?

Just a thought, as a variant also. I like having the angled pylons on a Miranda-like hull

Magnum357 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 19, 2005, 06:13:59 pm »

As for the Shuttle bay, may I suggest having a "Landing Pad" on the top portion of the Saucer section? I remember a few designs have this on Salidin class ships as a way to make a small Shuttle bay for Single saucer Section ships. As as a way to increase the hull structure more, how about adding an exta "flush" deck to the AFT/Bottom section of the ship? This would give a little extra room the the "Landing Pad" idea, and a little extra room for an Engineering section.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #20 on:** October 19, 2005, 10:03:46 pm »

Quote from: Norsehound on October 19, 2005, 06:03:28 pm

And if we're really onto adding stuff, why not put a rollbar where the two top sensor pods are now?

Just a thought, as a variant also. I like having the angled pylons on a Miranda-like hull

Those are good suggestions, but I don't really want to Miranda-ize this ship. I absolutely love the Miranda class, but I don't really care for Miranda kitbashes. This design interested me because it was a Miranda-like ship but did not steal any parts that can be distinctly recognized as from the Miranda class. It's similar in size and function, but a completely different ship altogether.

Quote from: Magnum357 on October 19, 2005, 06:13:59 pm

As for the Shuttle bay, may I suggest having a "Landing Pad" on the top portion of the Saucer section? I remember a few designs have this on Salidin class ships as a way to make a small Shuttle bay for Single saucer Section ships. As as a way to increase the hull structure more, how about adding an exta "flush" deck to the AFT/Bottom section of the ship? This would give a little extra room the the "Landing Pad" idea, and a little extra room for an Engineering section.

That's an interesting idea. I'll play around with it and see if I can come up with anything that looks good.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 19, 2005, 10:11:27 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on October 19, 2005, 10:03:46 pm

Quote from: Norsehound on October 19, 2005, 06:03:28 pm
And if we're really onto adding stuff, why not put a rollbar where the two top sensor pods are now?

Just a thought, as a variant also. I like having the angled pylons on a Miranda-like hull
Those are good suggestions, but I don't really want to Miranda-ize this ship. I absolutely love the Miranda class, but I don't really care for Miranda kitbashes. This design interested me because it was a Miranda-like ship but did not steal any parts that can be distinctly recognized as from the Miranda class. It's similar in size and function, but a completely different ship altogether.
Quote from: Magnum357 on October 19, 2005, 06:13:59 pm
As for the Shuttle bay, may I suggest having a "Landing Pad" on the top portion of the Saucer section? I remember a few designs have this on Salidin class ships as a way to make a small Shuttle bay for Single saucer Section ships. As as a way to increase the hull structure more, how about adding an exta "flush" deck to the AFT/Bottom section of the ship? This would give a little extra room the the "Landing Pad" idea, and a little extra room for an Engineering section.
That's an interesting idea. I'll play around with it and see if I can come up with anything that looks good.

Thats my feeling too it's not another Miranda..Though I do like the "Landing Pad" idea also.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #22 on:** October 19, 2005, 11:12:56 pm »

Shuttlebay in top of saucer............

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images-STAR_TREK-2005/gdsullivan07t.JPG

Deflector in bottom of saucer........

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images-STAR_TREK-2005/gdsullivan05t.JPG

Then ya add this..................

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images/db_images/db_pguintahawkeye0011.jpg

Just some ideas for ya.
-MP

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #23 on:** October 19, 2005, 11:21:12 pm »

Quote from: ModelsPlease on October 19, 2005, 11:12:56 pm

Shuttlebay in top of saucer............

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images-STAR_TREK-2005/gdsullivan07t.JPG

Deflector in bottom of saucer........

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images-STAR_TREK-2005/gdsullivan05t.JPG

Then ya add this..................

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images/db_images/db_pguintahawkeye0011.jpg

Just some ideas for ya.
-MP

1) that could easily be textured right onto the saucer, not even worrying about the model itself.

2) i tried ot make something like that work, and it didnt quite...Maybe i should try again

3) ummm, not a fan of that, looks like a torpedo-turret-tumor. The torpedo bay in the front makes the most sense to me, and while i know a lot of you arent fond of the idea, and i understand why, it makes sense to me... However, what about lowering that bay down to where the bottom phaser banks are on the saucer, have it portrude from there? however, that would interfere with the Second Image idea.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #24 on:** October 20, 2005, 12:34:49 am »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on October 19, 2005, 11:21:12 pm

Quote from: ModelsPlease on October 19, 2005, 11:12:56 pm
Shuttlebay in top of saucer............

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images-STAR_TREK-2005/gdsullivan07t.JPG

Deflector in bottom of saucer........

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images-STAR_TREK-2005/gdsullivan05t.JPG

Then ya add this..................

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images/db_images/db_pguintahawkeye0011.jpg

Just some ideas for ya.
-MP

1) that could easily be textured right onto the saucer, not even worrying about the model itself.

2) i tried ot make something like that work, and it didnt quite...Maybe i should try again

3) ummm, not a fan of that, looks like a torpedo-turret-tumor. The torpedo bay in the front makes the most sense to me, and while i know a lot of you arent fond of the idea, and i understand why, it makes sense to me... However, what about lowering that bay down to where the bottom phaser banks are on the saucer, have it portrude from there? however, that would interfere with the Second Image idea.

Ok for the Torp how about like the FCX set up ?

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #25 on:** October 20, 2005, 08:51:27 am »

Again, that is a possibility, but to be honest, i never liked cut-off saucers, except for the FCX, it seemed natural for that one... To each his own, its Jep's choice on what he wants to do.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #26 on:** October 20, 2005, 02:31:29 pm »

Ok, I've gotten to the point where I can start working on this again. Here's what I've changed around.

1. I'm trying to see if a traditional shuttle bay will work well with this design by raising part of the back of the saucer. I haven't done anything with textures yet, which is why they look stretched in the pictures. If I go with this design, I'll definitely fix this.

2. I've moved the torpedo launcher in between the phaser banks and the light emitter thingy on the bottom of the saucer. I think it looks good here and it doesn't cover up the phasers so you can still use them, but if I keep this here, I'll have to redo the light maps and the textures to make it cast a shadow, which may not look very good. I'll have to play around with it and see.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 20, 2005, 02:51:03 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on October 20, 2005, 02:31:29 pm

Ok, I've gotten to the point where I can start working on this again. Here's what I've changed around.

1. I'm trying to see if a traditional shuttle bay will work well with this design by raising part of the back of the saucer. I haven't done anything with textures yet, which is why they look stretched in the pictures. If I go with this design, I'll definitely fix this.

2. I've moved the torpedo launcher in between the phaser banks and the light emitter thingy on the bottom of the saucer. I think it looks good here and it doesn't cover up the phasers so you can still use them, but if I keep this here, I'll have to redo the light maps and the textures to make it cast a shadow, which may not look very good. I'll have to play around with it and see.

Looks great to me

.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #28 on:** October 20, 2005, 11:08:33 pm »

Agreed.

I like how this is shaping up.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #29 on:** October 20, 2005, 11:32:11 pm »

It's really beginning to look possibly like a Soyuz prototype.

Norsehound · « **Reply #30 on:** October 20, 2005, 11:54:43 pm »

MP: But what is the Soyuz? A New Scout Cruiser? or as some claim, an attack frigate? Border patrol ship?

Anyway- Novel idea on the torpedo launcher! Problem is, that's going to leave a nasty shadow right across the regestry. So how about this... swap the position of the photon torpedo launchers with the front prong of the underside assembly. That way, there's still light showing down on the regestry, and the photons are still positioned there.

I've never seen bumps in the sacuer like this before. I'm curious to see what becomes of it.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 21, 2005, 12:51:21 am »

Assuming for a second that he does stick with how he has the Photons now, how about repositioning the Regestries somewhere else on the Underside of the hull? For example, how about using the old "TOS" style of Regestries Technique on the underside. You know, where the "NCC-1701" was in two paterns (one Upside down and the other Right side up) on the Starboard and Port sides of the Primary Hull. Maybe you could put the Regestries similar like that.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #32 on:** October 21, 2005, 02:22:14 pm »

Quote from: Magnum357 on October 21, 2005, 12:51:21 am

Assuming for a second that he does stick with how he has the Photons now, how about repositioning the Regestries somewhere else on the Underside of the hull? For example, how about using the old "TOS" style of Regestries Technique on the underside. You know, where the "NCC-1701" was in two paterns (one Upside down and the other Right side up) on the Starboard and Port sides of the Primary Hull. Maybe you could put the Regestries similar like that.

That's actually what I was thinking about doing. I'm going to be leaving for Kansas soon for the Texas A&M vs. Kansas State football game this weekend (I'm in the Fightin' Texas Aggie Band), so I won't be able to do any more work on this until Sunday.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #33 on:** October 23, 2005, 12:48:49 am »

Quote from: Norsehound on October 20, 2005, 11:54:43 pm

MP: But what is the Soyuz? A New Scout Cruiser? or as some claim, an attack frigate? Border patrol ship?

Anyway- Novel idea on the torpedo launcher! Problem is, that's going to leave a nasty shadow right across the regestry. So how about this... swap the position of the photon torpedo launchers with the front prong of the underside assembly. That way, there's still light showing down on the regestry, and the photons are still positioned there.

I've never seen bumps in the sacuer like this before. I'm curious to see what becomes of it.

Personally I use it as an attack frigate but use it anyway ya like I guess, everyone has their own idea of the Trek universe

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #34 on:** October 23, 2005, 11:37:32 am »

I'm at the Holiday Inn in Topeka, Kansas right now, and I really wish I had a laptop so I could work in this model. We have a lot of free time today, but there's not much to do. I'm not going to get back to College Station, TX until sometime this evening. Hopefully I'll have some updates on this model either tonight or tomorrow.

By the way, we beat Kansas State yesterday. The score was Texas A&M 30, KSU 28.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #35 on:** November 12, 2005, 12:26:45 am »

I haven't worked on this one in a while, but I decided to start working on it again. The modeling is done. I just need to do some photoshop work. Does anyone have any ideas for a name and registry number?

Magnum357 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:32:32 am »

How about this name "USS Delburne" "NCC-S-1321" I used an "S" in the middle to indicate a Scout ship (or whatever special role you have this ship as).

I hope you release this soon. I'm working on a mod for SFC3 and I would really like to add your ship to it if you don't mind.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 12, 2005, 11:56:41 am »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on November 12, 2005, 12:26:45 am

I haven't worked on this one in a while, but I decided to start working on it again. The modeling is done. I just need to do some photoshop work. Does anyone have any ideas for a name and registry number?

Well I called it the USS-Silverfox but you can name it anything you want...I just love seeing it done you did a Great Job!!!!!

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #38 on:** November 12, 2005, 06:37:50 pm »

USS Silverfox it is then. I'm at a hotel in Oklahoma right now. I was at the Texas A&M vs Oklahoma football game earlier today as a member of the Aggie Band. It was a good game even though we lost 36 to 30. I'll be back in my dorm room tomorrow evening, so I'll be able to get back to work on it then.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #39 on:** November 12, 2005, 11:26:44 pm »

Hey Mr. T please take a look at this pic..............

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/frigate_cerebus.jpg

I think if you incorporate the rear saucer area, and nacelle placement like in this pic, the design becomes even more interesting.

-MP

Magnum357 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 13, 2005, 05:02:45 pm »

I like it the way it is man.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #41 on:** November 13, 2005, 05:46:28 pm »

Quote from: ModelsPlease on November 12, 2005, 11:26:44 pm

Hey Mr. T please take a look at this pic..............

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/frigate_cerebus.jpg

I think if you incorporate the rear saucer area, and nacelle placement like in this pic, the design becomes even more interesting.

-MP

That's a pretty cool-looking design, but I think I'll keep this ship the way it is. I'm in the middle of a big 3D graphics project for my class and don't really have much time for major mesh changes. I might try making that ship from scratch sometime in the future, though.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 13, 2005, 06:59:05 pm »

Quote from: Magnum357 on November 13, 2005, 05:02:45 pm

I like it the way it is man.

Me too..Of course I would say that.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #43 on:** November 13, 2005, 10:04:47 pm »

Here's what she looks like with her name and number proudly displayed on the top of the saucer. I haven't worked on the bottom yet, but that should be coming soon.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 13, 2005, 10:16:43 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on November 13, 2005, 10:04:47 pm

Here's what she looks like with her name and number proudly displayed on the top of the saucer. I haven't worked on the bottom yet, but that should be coming soon.

Norsehound · « **Reply #45 on:** November 13, 2005, 11:50:56 pm »

From here it looks like the I and L are merged together.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #46 on:** November 14, 2005, 06:50:19 pm »

Quote from: Norsehound on November 13, 2005, 11:50:56 pm

From here it looks like the I and L are merged together.

That's a problem with the font. There's not much I can do about it.

This ship is just about finished. I just want to know if anyone has any last-minute suggestions before I convert this. Unfortunately, I can't get 3ds max 4 to work (I'm using 3ds max 7) so I'm going to try using Milkshape 3D.

Norsehound · « **Reply #47 on:** November 14, 2005, 11:40:04 pm »

Torpedo launcher looks off-center.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #48 on:** November 17, 2005, 02:33:44 am »

One suggestion I have... I thought you were thinking about using the "TOS" Style regestry system for the underside of the hull? You know, remember when I suggested using the upside down and rightside up regestry system like many TOS ships have? This would get around the problem of the torpedo lauchher causing a shadow as the Regestry would be on the left and right sides.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #49 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:17:21 am »

Quote from: Magnum357 on November 17, 2005, 02:33:44 am

One suggestion I have... I thought you were thinking about using the "TOS" Style regestry system for the underside of the hull? You know, remember when I suggested using the upside down and rightside up regestry system like many TOS ships have? This would get around the problem of the torpedo lauchher causing a shadow as the Regestry would be on the left and right sides.

I tried that and it just didn't look right. Not having a foward-shining light on the bottom of the saucer just looked wrong. Instead, I decided to move the light source to just above the torpedo launcher and move up the registry number. I think this looks a lot better than the TOS style registry number placement.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #50 on:** December 20, 2005, 07:15:27 pm »

I recently got 3ds max 5 working on my computer, so I can have this ship ready for in-game use soon.

Antivyrus · « **Reply #51 on:** December 29, 2005, 08:36:04 pm »

Bumpage for update and or release date

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #52 on:** January 03, 2006, 04:43:53 pm »

I just need to finish with the hardpoints, damage points, and break model and she'll be done.

Mr_Tricorder · « **Reply #53 on:** January 04, 2006, 05:06:21 pm »

It's finished. I'm uploading it to battleclinic now.

jep2000316 · « **Reply #54 on:** January 05, 2006, 10:27:25 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Tricorder on January 04, 2006, 05:06:21 pm

It's finished. I'm uploading it to battleclinic now.

Thank you!!!!

you did a great job I can't wait to use it.Thanks again!!!!

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