Topic: problem with a hardware router firewall

[pneumonic81]

I got back into the game last night, and while I could log in, and play on the SG05 server I coudlnt be drafted by anyone, nor could I draft anyone

I put in all the ports that Frey gave me, but i still cant draft. perhaps there is another problem, any ideas?

[Dizzy]

Router and comp specs?

[KBF-Kurok]

same problem im  having sorry I cant help.I getting rid of dsl and going with cable. Less hassle.

[pneumonic81]

Router and comp specs?

the pc specs are a
p4 3.2 HT
2 gigs ram
x800 radeo 256mb
200gig serial drive

im working on getting the router model number and ill post it.

[pneumonic81]

same problem im  having sorry I cant help.I getting rid of dsl and going with cable. Less hassle.

I already have a cable modem, still lots of hassle, unless you like viruses

[KBF-Kurok]

had one for years and had no problems. Sounds like you might need to configure a static ip adress and foward every thing to that. What is happening with me is what you describe to the T. It is the nat on my modem router im almost positive. Thing is i cant disable it because the range  the router uses (for ip adress)  falls into the range that  tha manual states  the modem wont  connect to the internet. So goodbye dsl and hello cable since to fix the problem it is gonna end up costing me more in the long run to fix my dsl problem than to get cable.
 I hope you get it working soon.
you might just want to try a switch instead of a router. Im not sure of the differenses and all of that but it has helped others.
Kurok

[pneumonic81]

my problem might also be the way i typed in the ports also, im gonna check it tonight.

[FA Frey XC]

Guys, one thing you can look for is a DMZ on the router.

Or, do what I do - get a switch and break out your connection.

Plug your Gaming comp directly into the switch, it will get an IP address to itself.

Then, plug the router into the switch. The "uplink" goes to the Cable Modem / DSL modem.

Yes, yes, I know, all you paranoids out there "OMG, that means I'm open to the internet"....

You are correct, but let me tell you this:

In the 6 years I've had cable, I've ALWAYS done it like this, and I've NEVER been hacked.

Just turn of NETBIOS and CLIENT for MICROSOFT Networks in your Network Connection settings for that interface...

Then you are only running a TCP/IP stack, nothing else.

If you need connectivity to an internal network that is behind the router itself, then just get a second NIC and multihome your machine.

Just don't put a gateway address in the second nic's properties (set it a static IP on the same subnet as your Router is handing out DHCP addresses), and all your internal network traffic will pass over this interface, while all the internet traffic goes over the interface connected directly to the cable /dsl modem.

If your're running a proper AV client and keep your machine updated, you shouldn't have any issues !

NOTE - Some ISP's (like mine) have a small charge for an extra IP address - I think Comcast charges me 4.99 a month extra for that 2nd machine account. This allows the Router to pick up a WAN IP as well as your machine picking up a WAN IP via DHCP from your ISP.

Hope this helps some.

Frey

[FA Frey XC]

Oh and by the way community - does anyone realize this is the REAL pneumonic81?

If your wondering who that is, then check the readme credits for OP Plus 4.0....

and Orion Pirates - pneumonic81 is the guy who made the X Ship Fed models for OP, as well as well as some of the most fantastic models as a mod.

Rick was on the Server last night, and from the conversations we had this morning I think he liked it

Welcome back pneumonic81 !!!!!!

[Dizzy]

Yippy skippy. And the XTF is only missing Fox, Mars and Kruk. p81, myself, Dorod and Lance are all here...  It ALL started back on articfires server... whooo! And the saga continues...

[KBF-Kurok]

my problem frey is that my modem and router are the same thing. They dont have one without all the crap i dont need like the router. I used cable for years and had no problem with it.didnt need a static ip didnt need any thing at all. DSL is history to me cable is comming to a comp near me soon.

[FPF-DieHard]

my problem frey is that my modem and router are the same thing. They dont have one without all the crap i dont need like the router. I used cable for years and had no problem with it.didnt need a static ip didnt need any thing at all. DSL is history to me cable is comming to a comp near me soon.

No DMZ option?

[pneumonic81]

i have a DMZ option on my router but i dont think its on, what do i do?

[Julin Eurthyr]

Usually putting a computer on a DMZ entails finding out (or preferably statically assigning) it an IP address, then going to the DMZ option and telling it the IP of the computer you want on the DMZ.

[pneumonic81]

ok i set the dmz on my router nad put my computer in it, i also want to verify the ports i need open, cna somone post them here for me again?

[Julin Eurthyr]

Once you put a PC on the DMZ, all ports are effectively open.  You should be good enough to play...

[pneumonic81]

Once you put a PC on the DMZ, all ports are effectively open.  You should be good enough to play...

i would still like a list of ports, if you have them

[Julin Eurthyr]

Check This thread, they're listed in there somewhere...

[Bonk]

2300-2400, 47624 are all that is required for D2 or tcp/ip play.

Do not use the DMZ and port forwarding at the same time.

If using the DMZ and the local DHCP server then be aware you may need to change the DMZ host IP address regularly.

Do you have a manual for your router? Read it.

[pneumonic81]

2300-2400, 47624 are all that is required for D2 or tcp/ip play.

Do not use the DMZ and port forwarding at the same time.

If using the DMZ and the local DHCP server then be aware you may need to change the DMZ host IP address regularly.

Do you have a manual for your router? Read it.

I dont have a local DHCP.

I have those ports open, no go.

[PGC Graakna]

Here are the settings I have been using for my router, and it seems to be working. There are also some ms directplay server settings that may be coming into play that need to be set.

dplaysvr 47624 UDP & TCP
dpnsvr   6073  UDP
dyna     2300-2400 UDP & TCP

There are alos a number that are set for gamespy to run.

gsa 6500 UDP & TCP
gsa 6515 UDP
gsa 13139 UDP
gsa 27900 UDP

Hope this helps

[[ISC]Phaser]

same problem im  having sorry I cant help.I getting rid of dsl and going with cable. Less hassle.

dsl modems need to be bridged to host games on gsa and to be able to draft or get drafted on d2, just call your tech support and have them walk u through bridging the modem (its very simple) if they ask why you want to bridge just say i caint host multiplayer games....

[Bonk]

2300-2400, 47624 are all that is required for D2 or tcp/ip play.

Do not use the DMZ and port forwarding at the same time.

If using the DMZ and the local DHCP server then be aware you may need to change the DMZ host IP address regularly.

Do you have a manual for your router? Read it.

I dont have a local DHCP.

I have those ports open, no go.

Have you configured your local IP address manually? If not, you have a local DHCP server.

[KBF-Kurok]

believe me guys when i said i tried everything. They ended up telling me i needed this that and the other thing. only problem is it was gonna cost me more than cable so im on cable no and not even a hicup.

[GDA-S'Cipio]

I had this trouble starting about 18 months ago.  Before that, my LINKSYS router worked perfectly.  (And yes, I tried updating the frimware.)

If I'm using my router, performance varies.  I get the *best* results if I forward all relevant ports to my game machine, and put *nothing* on the DMZ.   But even then there are still problems.  Some people I simply cannot draft nor be drafted by.  The draft counts out and we wind up back on the map.

This problem seems to *mostly* occur when I tro to interact with  people on dialup.  If they are on cable I seem to be able to draft or be drafted by them much better.  I thought I was alone for a while, but then I learned Kroma was having the same problem.  He had to take his router out of the connection to connect reliably.

If I take my router offline and plug straight into the cable modem, my problems vanish.  I don't like to do this however, since if I forget to hook things back up then the family can't use the rest of the LAN.  It also keeps me from running a server on one machine and playing on another, as I used to be able to do.

I'm wondering if I need a new router.   

-S'Cipio

[Dfly]

strongly recommend a switch over a router if you decide to upgrade.

[FA Frey XC]

Just multihome your gaming machine.

Get a second NIC, a switch, and you are good to go.

Might need to ask your ISP if you need to pay for an additional IP / Computer account. Some give you three for default, some make you pay for anything over 1.

Cablemodem goes to the switch's "uplink".
Router goes to switch.
Second NIC in your puter goes to switch. First NIC in your puter goes to Router, so you can still communicate with your internal machines behind the router / firewall.

Set your internal NIC (the one going to the Router) to a static IP that does NOT include a Gateway address, nor DNS. This interface is just to communicate with your LAN machines.

Disable - not UNINSTALL -  ( just remove the check mark next to each protocol) the following on the 2nd NIC's interface in Windows (Win XP is referenced here):

On the Connection properties window

1.  Client for Microsoft Networks
2. File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks

Click on the "Properties" Tab, then click on the "Advanced" Tab, then click on the "WINS" tab.
Disable NetBIOS over TCPIP - NOTE : DO NOT DO THIS ON THE INTERFACE that you have connected to the Router, or you will NOT be able to communicate with the LAN machines.

Now you are running only a TCPIP stack on your primary interface to the internet.

I've been running in this configuration for over 2 years, and never been hacked, etc. etc.

I do run current AV software on my box, but no software firewall, etc.