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OIL: carbonated critters or something else?
« on: October 11, 2005, 07:52:49 pm »
The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil
By Ker Than
LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 11 October 2005
10:29 am ET
 
 

It runs modern society and fuels serious political tension. But where does oil really come from, and how much is left? The far-out possibilities might surprise you.


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Nature has been transmuting dead life into black gold for millions of years using little more than heat, pressure and time, scientists tell us.

But with gas prices spiking more than $1 per gallon in the United States this year and some experts predicting that the end of oil is near, scientists still don't know for sure where oil comes from, how long it took to make, or how much there is.

A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms. The majority of petroleum is thought to come from the fossils of plants and tiny marine organisms. Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.

"Even some of the dinosaurs may have gotten involved in some of this," says William Thomas, a geologists at the University of Kentucky. "[Although] I think it would be quite rare and a very small and insignificant contribution."

But another theory holds that more oil was in Earth from the beginning than what's been produced by dead animals, but that we've yet to tap it.

How it works

In the leading theory, dead organic material accumulates on the bottom of oceans, riverbeds or swamps, mixing with mud and sand. Over time, more sediment piles on top and the resulting heat and pressure transforms the organic layer into a dark and waxy substance known as kerogen.

Left alone, the kerogen molecules eventually crack, breaking up into shorter and lighter molecules composed almost solely of carbon and hydrogen atoms. Depending on how liquid or gaseous this mixture is, it will turn into either petroleum or natural gas.

So how long does this process take?

Scientists aren't really sure, but they figure it's probably on the order of hundreds of thousands of years.

"It's certainly not an instantaneous process," Thomas told LiveScience. "The rate at which petroleum is forming is not going to be the solution to our petroleum supplies."

The United States' latest reminder of its petroleum dependency occurred when hurricanes Katrina and Rita struck the Gulf of Mexico, where the majority of the country's oil platforms and refineries are located. Many analysts predicted gas prices would surge to $4 and $5 per gallon, but the fears turned out to be overblown. Many of the structures suffered only glancing blows and were operating again soon afterwards.


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Still, the average price of regular gas nationwide is about $2.94 a gallon now, according to the American Automobile Association. It was $1.77 at the beginning of the year.

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The idea that petroleum is formed from dead organic matter is known as the "biogenic theory" of petroleum formation and was first proposed by a Russian scientist almost 250 years ago.

In the 1950's, however, a few Russian scientists began questioning this traditional view and proposed instead that petroleum could form naturally deep inside the Earth.

This so-called "abiogenic" petroleum might seep upward through cracks formed by asteroid impacts to form underground pools, according to one hypothesis. Some geologists have suggested probing ancient impact craters in the search for oil.

Abiogenic sources of oil have been found, but never in commercially profitable amounts. The controversy isn't over whether naturally forming oil reserves exist, said Larry Nation of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists. It's over how much they contribute to Earth's overall reserves and how much time and effort geologists should devote to seeking them out.

If abiogenic petroleum sources are indeed found to be abundant, it would mean Earth contains vast reserves of untapped petroleum and, since other rocky objects formed from the same raw material as Earth, that crude oil might exist on other planets or moons in the solar system, scientists say.

Both processes for making petroleum likely require thousands of years. Even if Earth does contain far more oil than currently thought, it's inevitable that reserves will one day run out. Scientists disagree sharply, however, on when that will occur. And, some say, a global crisis could begin as soon as increasing demand is greater than supply, a possibility that might be measured in years rather than decades, some analysts argue.

 

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Re: OIL: carbonated critters or something else?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2005, 08:11:56 pm »
Oil tankers from Mars, Mercury and the Moon?

How could oil the leaked onto the surface of Mars, Mercury or the Moon be detected?  A fairly sure way to prove this "theory" would be to find it on one of them.  Just off the top of my head another indicator would be a difference in the level of deuterium in oil compared to in water.
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Re: OIL: carbonated critters or something else?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2005, 08:46:27 pm »
On the moon perhaps would be a good way to prove it, but not necessarily on mars.  They think they've found some fossilized remains of life on Mars...(though it's still very up in the air and in debates I think) which means that if they found oil on Mars they might just consider it relavant that there actually WAS life on Mars at some point.
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Re: OIL: carbonated critters or something else?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2005, 09:49:11 pm »
Even if there was oil on other planets, do you realize how pointless and stupid it would be to drill for it and send it back here??

Also, if it's found and they try it, you'd end up paying more than $15/gallon, and I sure as hell won't pay $150 to fill up the Echo.
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Re: OIL: carbonated critters or something else?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2005, 09:58:46 pm »
Even if there was oil on other planets, do you realize how pointless and stupid it would be to drill for it and send it back here??

Also, if it's found and they try it, you'd end up paying more than $15/gallon, and I sure as hell won't pay $150 to fill up the Echo.

you and perhaps the others misunderstand the import. if this theory is true the oil would reside in different geology than critter based oil. and if it is true our own planet would have many times the oil we presently believe. we would only have to develope techniques to retrieve it. as for veracity we already know oil and natural gas can be produced by geological processes not involving once living sources of mineral. so that part is true. and they do expect to find oil in places like titan, venus and so forth. The question is is it there in massive quatities? if so there will be no peak oil for centuries.

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Re: OIL: carbonated critters or something else?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2005, 10:04:50 pm »
Hmm, well if it comes up cracks in the surface...I suppose California should be a gold mine for black gold.
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Re: OIL: carbonated critters or something else?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2005, 10:11:18 pm »
perhaps. also remember the massive methane hydrate deposits on the bottom of the ocean. we could deveop methods to retrieve that too. there is more gas there than the entire amount of regular oil and gas that we know of presently.