Topic: Ladies and gentlemen...the Titan!

[Rat Boy]

So I'm guessing nobody's getting in line to bring the Luna-class to 3D land?

[CaptainTombs]

i hope someone does make this ship i like it and would be a great addition to anyones fleet not had any TNG ships for awhile

[Starforce2]

Well if they had submitted them at the time then they might of had the chance of winning, I seem to remember a great deal of negativity towards the compertition from the majority of people here. You cant bleet about the result after that.

didn't anybody from here bother to enter it?

[Starforce2]

So I'm guessing nobody's getting in line to bring the Luna-class to 3D land?

I hope so. While it's not the most impressive ship I've ever seen, Titan or otherwise, it certainly merits "doing" and they're going to post the runners up so it should be interesting to see what lost.

[ModelsPlease]

In MP's lil universe this design will forever forth be known as the Wannabe class. I wish I had learned to bash prior to this contest, I would have entered. Oh well perhaps the runner-ups are more intersting. If they are I'll really be ticked that this POS won.

[Adonis]

Just plain ugly kitbash...

And yes, the resemblance to the Ulysses is striking...

[ELITE-Kaos]

... i dont see why bigger is always better... smaller is the way to go.

<snip> pun intended.

You are the only male I've heard say that. Remember, its not how you use it, its how big it is...

You want to start a flame war? The defiant is a unwanted, unloved red-headed bastard stepchild that should have been aborted. It is an embarrASSment and mockery of the star trek universe and its creator and his family should be publicly hung, dismembered, burned and the ashes used as kitty litter.

At last someone who agrees!!!!

It goes against all the info on starship design I've ever seen in any of the books.  OK so some of you are say "BUT ITS A TV SHOW!". Yes it si but is one that has become a franchise and as such has to abide by certain rules... Burger King dont sell Big Macs, that in the franchise.  How the defiant ever got past the cannon heads within paramount can only be down to Gene R's lack of involvment.

As for this ship....  It looks s%$t enough for Captain Riker (ever noticed how the Ent always gets damaged when hes in charge?).  As a Klingon I have to say that I and my crew would laugh so much you'd find our cloaked ship NP, just listen to see where the noise is comming from.

[FoaS_XC]

I Kinda like it

At first, yes, i was against it, but it has since grown on me.
It makes sense. I mean, why wouldnt there be NEM+ Kitbashes just there were in TMP and TNG times?

To each his own.

[CaptainTombs]

i hope they show us a plan of the bridge like they did in the new frontier books that would be sweet at least to give some of us who like the titan what it looks like there doing on the bridge

[Chris Johnson]

At first, yes, i was against it, but it has since grown on me.
It makes sense. I mean, why wouldnt there be NEM+ Kitbashes just there were in TMP and TNG times?

If one would want to make a successful kitbash in the TOS/TMP-eras, one should wonder how everything in the inside works.  If you ask me, it helps to make a cutaway.  Kitbashes ranging from extra-nacelle-sticking/nacelle-arranging to through-deck carriers that have a warp core in the middle of that large hangar bay sometimes baffle me when I think about it.

If kitbashes are to be successful in any era, it is my belief that it must make sense.  Otherwise, create a new design.  I figured that, with the graceful curves and organic look of the successful TNG-era Starships such as the Galaxy-class, New-Orleans-class, Nebula-class, Cheyenne-class, etc. that it would be pretty darned hard to make one that makes sense inside and out.  Sure, it's fun to put one part here and another there and make it look cool, but would it actually work (if one would think about it)?

Therefore I'd be more reluctant to make kitbashes in the TNG era (and beyond).  Sure, more people do it for any era than make a unique and original design (though there are exceptions), and some do a nice job at either/or (kitbashing/original design), but half the time nowadays, I have to wonder if this or that design would work...

And I'm pretty sure that the winning Titan design looks like something that can function, but still, it's a kitbash, and one of the rules of the contest was originality.  I don't believe the winner did such a good job at that, but that's me.

[OlBuzzard]

  I don't have much love for the Akira or Norway, they look like they were glued together in my opinion.

You sir win the brass ring !  This is my honest opinion as well..  !

Glad to see that this old man aint the only one that sees the that (especially the Akira).

 

[Captain Pierce]

How the defiant ever got past the cannon heads within paramount can only be down to Gene R's lack of involvment.

1. There are no canon heads at Paramount.  As far as Paramount is concerned, canon Trek is whatever makes them money.

2. IIRC, Roddenberry was already dead by the time Defiant was designed.  As for lack of involvement, he had already been pushed out by the 3rd season of TNG.

[Starforce2]

hey, whats wrong with the yeager class? *ducks*

[Captain Pierce]

Hey, is it just me, or does the front view of this Titan look like the "cutout" at the front of the Akira saucer (where the forward shuttlebay doors are) is still there?  Jesus, the freaking views don't even match up?  What is this, a FASA ship?      

[CaptainTombs]

im going to ask cleeve how much it would cost to make it as i woudl really love to see this ship be made

[OlBuzzard]

My final comments  ( for the time being !)

I'm not going to blast it as those did the NX-1 and curse those that developed it.  BUT  I will say that this development is sadly disappointing.

I agree with FW ...  some how this does not fit the "Riker profile".  Even for those who had a negative view of the first officer: seeing him as arrogant and insisting on a "profile" command.  I do agree that only as a first command ...  (something less than the height of your career) it might be a place to start.  And, it fits the profile as a smaller ship.


The design however, is less than desireable ...  and is just another knock off of the Akira.  (Which IMHO is even less than desireable of MOST Federation designs for a ship of that size.  It really is just an "inverted star ship"  pasted togeather.)

It should also be noted that Paramount does not always follow Pocket books .. Let's hope in this case they go their own way.

Please also note:  I do agree that it is not necessary that "Titan" have to be a huge BB sized ship in order to be "worthy" of command.  Heck ...  look how much time I have devoted to developing a couple of "advanced command (attack) cruisers.  My over all review, and complaint with this ship is that is simply did not deliver the goods.

[Rat Boy]

Also, look at the ships that Riker was offerred before Titan.  Before taking the XO spot on the Enterprise-D, he was offerred the Wambundu-class Drake.  In his second year on the -D, Starfleet offered him the Renaissance-class Aries.  And, just before Wolf 359, he declined taking command of the Excelsior-class Melbourne.  While thosse designs are not canon, they are based on what was implied in the episodes that they were mentioned in.  So, it's not like he's ever been offerred the cream of the crop before.

Or, if you look at it this way, consider the entry at Memory Alpha on Riker, specifically this quote:

The Aries command was given to Riker because of his exceptional abilities as a scientist.

And this bit of apocrypha:

Q said in VOY: "Death Wish" that he "hoped Riker" would have taken command of the USS Voyager, which may mean he was also offered command of that ship before Captain Janeway.

It sounds like Titan, as shown here, was the best fit for Riker.

[Tus-XC]

but we also must remember riker specifically saying that he would not take a ship smaller than the enterprise.  so by that we can assume that he might have gotten a galaxy class, or a newer ship.  and if it was to be a new ship, the name titan implies somthing of large size, think of the greek myths.  further they wanted a deep space explorer, which logically requires large amounts of volume to actually be useful (if you dont' think so use some logic, more volume = more supplies more volume/ surface area means most likely more damage s hip could take and still be operational.  if it was a deep space explorer it would need this ability as it will not always be near a shipyard or starbase)

[Captain Pierce]

I don't recall Riker every saying that he wouldn't take a ship smaller than Enterprise.  Considering that the Galaxy-class still seems to be the largest starship that Starfleet has ever built, it would be a somewhat silly thing to say...    (Which is not to say that the writers wouldn't have written it, of course.    ) 

The first Titan novel establishes that Riker took command of the ship, whatever it may actually look like, because it was slated for a mission of pure exploration into territory where, to use a cliche, no one had gone before.    I know it's hard for some to believe, given how military Starfleet has become since DS9, but Riker was always just as, if not more so, into the exploratory aspects of Starfleet in TNG.

Oh, just for the record...  despite what DS9's pilot showed, the Melbourne that Riker was offered command of was not an Excelsior.  It was, at the time of BoBW, intended to be the Nebula prototype 2:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/proto-nebula2.jpg

(You'll probably have to paste that into your address bar.)  That one's at least semi-canon, which is more than can be said for the alleged Drake or Aries.  Even the classes of those are completely made-up by Greg Jein and/or Mike Okuda.  (Not to diss those guys, but they made a lot of stuff up...)

[OlBuzzard]

but we also must remember riker specifically saying that he would not take a ship smaller than the enterprise.  so by that we can assume that he might have gotten a galaxy class, or a newer ship.  and if it was to be a new ship, the name titan implies somthing of large size, think of the greek myths.  further they wanted a deep space explorer, which logically requires large amounts of volume to actually be useful (if you dont' think so use some logic, more volume = more supplies more volume/ surface area means most likely more damage s hip could take and still be operational.  if it was a deep space explorer it would need this ability as it will not always be near a shipyard or starbase)

kudos Tuss ...

out of everything that was said ..  this makes the most sense.  The ship would need to be something that would be capable of this type of exploration.  Remember, one of the characteristics that made Riker such a good fit for this was his ability to work well with other cultures  (ie:  the exchange with Federation / Klingon officers ...  he was able to adapt, and even eat Klingon dishes.  This did make him well adapt to this sort of an assignment).

I'm still just a bit disappointed in the over all size and design of the ship.  In another thread (Holow deck forum) WZ mentioned something that was close to the point, to which I agree.

I'd imagined it to be more unique and streamlined for a ship of it's size and mission profile, but that's just me.

again ... just my opinion  ...  and perhaps that of others as well ...   this would be a tad more plausible