Topic: Change Hydran starting ship?

[Lepton]

Hydran starting ship seems to be the LNH2 with the rear-firing Hellbores.  I hate that thing as I am sure most do.  How about the BAR instead?

[Kzinbane]

No one likes there starting ship - that's why everyone sells it for something different as soon as they can!  I don't see why the Hydrans should be any different. 

Kzinbane

[KBF-Soth]

i like it ...tough little ship.

[Lepton]

I think the Feds like their NVL just fine. 

[Nemesis]

I see nothing wrong with it.  An unusual design but interesting.

14 on the test server now. 

[SideSwipe9th]

question : why does the starting ship matter on a test server? im startin in a ca, but somehow when the server starts i dont think thats what i will have

[Braxton_RIP]

I think the Feds like their NVL just fine. 

Oh yea... I love a ship that can't even safely go against an FF without fighters....

[Bonk]

I'll work on it, because it seems only the Feds are starting in a carrier.
It matters on the test server because the live server starting ship will be the same.

Here's the trick. The cost of carriers is set globally, I cannot set carrier prices individually.
(Well, actually I can by adjusting BPVs but I'd have to reduce the BPV of small carriers to a ridiculous value, this would have other problems)

Also, most importantly, there is only one setting for the starting ship for all races.
There is no race by race setting for starting ship.

The starting ship setting is a BPV range. One range can be set, it applies to all races
and applies to every year that a player might start in. If a starting ship is not avaialable for any
year this will cause serious problems.

EDIT: there is a modifier for starting ship for each race, but the above applies regarding year avaialability. (see other thread 162 started)

So I'll filter the list to look for a BPV range that does not include carriers for any year that a player might start in.
The other approach is to edit many BPVs in the list such that there is a unique BPV that exists in all years that a
player might start so a starting ship will always be available. That would take longer to do and test, at least another
day or two. I'll try to filter the list for a range that is satisfactory for a starting CL in all years. Suggestions and help
are welcome.

Clear as mud?

P.S. were looking at a 2273 start.

[Dfly]

the only time it could matter, is like on the test server this afternoon, and last night, where the FEDS start in a ship worth 6800 trade in, and the klingons is worth 1600 as trade in, and the other races to the best of my knowledge were under 2000 trade in.  This would unbalance the start severely as nearly all players trade in their starting ship(maybe exception of ISC, theirs is pretty descent, and a couple players may keep it for a bit) and buy what they can afford that they like.  It would not be fair for the FEDS to trade in for say, a FF, get nearly 6000 to play with  in order to buy something bigger than anyone else could afford until they have run at least a few dozen missions.

[Dfly]

ty Bonk

[Bonk]

the only time it could matter, is like on the test server this afternoon, and last night, where the FEDS start in a ship worth 6800 trade in, and the klingons is worth 1600 as trade in, and the other races to the best of my knowledge were under 2000 trade in.  This would unbalance the start severely as nearly all players trade in their starting ship(maybe exception of ISC, theirs is pretty descent, and a couple players may keep it for a bit) and buy what they can afford that they like.  It would not be fair for the FEDS to trade in for say, a FF, get nearly 6000 to play with  in order to buy something bigger than anyone else could afford until they have run at least a few dozen missions.

This is understood and not intentional.

Please see my explanation above, I'll try to find a range that makes everyone happy. You're welcome to help out, by looking for a BPV range that works...

[Bonk]

It seems the YLAs (likely from previous player requests about shipyard contents) are going to be a problem in regards to this. (e.g the F-CS YFA is 2 and the YLA is 2... huh?  )

[Bonk]

Crap there always seems to be a carrier in one of the races for each range I select. Also ther are more weird YFA/YLAs  the D5C is only available for one year? WTF?

[Bonk]

Note also this affects AI ships which will be generated every turn. Disabling AI genberation altogether destbilises the kit - not an option.

[Hexx]

It seems the YLAs (likely from previous player requests about shipyard contents) are going to be a problem in regards to this. (e.g the F-CS YFA is 2 and the YLA is 2... huh?  )

F-CS YFA is 2, YLA is 2 as F-CS+ YFA is 3

[KBFLordKrueg]

question : why does the starting ship matter on a test server? im startin in a ca, but somehow when the server starts i dont think thats what i will have

Because if someone doesn't say something now, we'll have to restart the campaign to fix it...
This kind of thing is why we put up test servers SideSwipe. So issues can be brought up and possibly changed, fixed, etc.

[Dizzy]

Here's the trick. The cost of carriers is set globally, I cannot set carrier prices individually.
(Well, actually I can by adjusting BPVs but I'd have to reduce the BPV of small carriers to a ridiculous value, this would have other problems)

Also, most importantly, there is only one setting for the starting ship for all races.
There is no race by race setting for starting ship.

The starting ship setting is a BPV range. One range can be set, it applies to all races
and applies to every year that a player might start in. If a starting ship is not avaialable for any
year this will cause serious problems.

I reclassed most ships under 135 bpv to their respective hull class. That way smaller bpv ships wont get a huge price tag... or give a player free cash when a larger ship pops and they get one of these lesser bpv carriers that are more expensive.