Topic: SGO Shiplist error

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Just leave the fricking thing out 

Probably a good idea as no one would have the balls to fly it besides me. I know DH is scared of it.

I would if given the mid era choice.  For late era... that really depends on what I was up against... I would see myself disengaging a lot.

[Corbomite]

Well I'll admit it would definitely be better with an escort. Some HDW or something like it would do quite nicely I'd think.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Well I'll admit it would definitely be better with an escort. Some HDW or something like it would do quite nicely I'd think.

Yeah, but you can never be sure if you will always have that escort.

[Corbomite]

Well gee, that's what makes the game fun... I thought.

[Hexx]

I'd just like to point out that despite Bear's irrational
and alcohol fueled rant, the Lyran's BCH actually does come out in 17.
The ship he's referring to is a Battlecruiser, much like a D7 is a battlecruiser.
Ours is just a little bit better.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Do you really consider the BCE a BCH?!?!?

Hell, bump it to the DN class for all I care... in some instances it is referred to as a battleship.

[Hexx]

So Dizzy's trying to use a battleship?

Cheesy bastige

[KBFKrotz]

You want to see the F-BCE used?  Bring it out in say...  year 10 (4 years before the BCG)

Change the phaser arcs (especially that ph3 mount) and give it a launch rate of 2, but drop the shields to BCG/F/J level.

Leave the rest alone.

It was supposed to be an experimental test bed.  Use it that way, as the test bed that leads to the Fed's BCH's.

It is a mixed blessing on power.  Plenty of it, but that 1.25 MC....yeesh...

And with the limitations on capital ships, you won't see many of them on the board at a time anyways.

She still turns like a pig and somewhat equal on rear fire power (only 4 phasers1's and 2 photons) compared to the other Fed BC's (6 rear firing ph1's )

It will do better against mid era drones and the cheesiness of mid era and give the Feds a decent slot ship between the CC+ (which is long in the tooth at this point) & DNL (I am gonna assume they won't build any DN's or DN+'s).  And it also gives the Feds a viable ship against the I-CCY that isn't a dread.

What, would somebody soup(cheese)-up a K-D7T to be able to take it on?

Dizzy, you are (to my understanding) one of the best PvPers out there...why are you championing making ships that can run around the map all day while spewing magic photons out their arses? Not only would that be a "low" tactic when flying against plasma-dependent races, but it also seems to legitimize running away and not fighting...except now one can slowly bleed the following ship out too. Is it worth it?

These ships should be relegated to the p00h-heap of SFC history, along with the L-PFE, K-E3Y, L-EGO, and maybe even stuff like the R-PRA (I'll get in trouble for that one, I'm sure).

[Dizzy]

I'm doing the coalition a favor. Trust me, Krotz. And w/o my improvements, the BCE would still be just as capable vs the Roms. I didnt change anything in that respect, cept a 2x shuttle launch rate, which imo it should have always had.

I think you have just never heard of the BCE b4 this thread... So to you, I made it up. I did not. Its always been there running 31 spewing photons out its arse. Where have you been?

[FPF-DieHard]

There is a D&T with an X-Refti in the list . . . .

[Dfly]

I actually like the idea of leaving the ship as it was(except for the phaser3 arcs) and bringing it out much earlier.

[Dizzy]

I actually like the idea of leaving the ship as it was(except for the phaser3 arcs) and bringing it out much earlier.

You cant. It would pwn the rommies. It comes out when it comes out. Which is... 18, same year the KCR comes out. 

[KBFKrotz]

I'm doing the coalition a favor. Trust me, Krotz. And w/o my improvements, the BCE would still be just as capable vs the Roms. I didnt change anything in that respect, cept a 2x shuttle launch rate, which imo it should have always had.

I think you have just never heard of the BCE b4 this thread... So to you, I made it up. I did not. Its always been there running 31 spewing photons out its arse. Where have you been?

"Making" was a poor choice of words on my part...popularizing is more on target.

I am at least vaguely familiar with that...thing <intonation like the Imperial officer regarding Chewie on the detention level>...I assumed the phaser arcs you improved were the FAL/FAR rather than the LS/RS. I'm sorry, but like my avatar may imply, I am something of a radical conservative, and generally believe the Taldren TMP-ships should be repeatedly smashed and broken upon the Galactic Boundary Border until they are naught but a bad memory, like when there was talk of giving photons +3 eccm back in the long, long ago.

[Dfly]

I actually like the idea of leaving the ship as it was(except for the phaser3 arcs) and bringing it out much earlier.

You cant. It would pwn the rommies. It comes out when it comes out. Which is... 18, same year the KCR comes out. 

And I guess no ship comes out a bit earlier than others and actuallly pwn some race or other?    I guess if it did come out earlier then a race (other than Roms) would step up to the plate to face it.

[Dizzy]

I guess if it did come out earlier then a race (other than Roms) would step up to the plate to face it.

Dont guess for me. Problem is that when they dont step up, guess who gets stepped on?

[KBFKrotz]

I actually like the idea of leaving the ship as it was(except for the phaser3 arcs) and bringing it out much earlier.

You cant. It would pwn the rommies. It comes out when it comes out. Which is... 18, same year the KCR comes out. 

And I guess no ship comes out a bit earlier than others and actuallly pwn some race or other?    I guess if it did come out earlier then a race (other than Roms) would step up to the plate to face it.

It's not quite the same thing as a L-BCP or I-CC being out before other BCHs...these ships won't do all that much to you while running away (except for maybe the odd over-the-shoulder plasma from the I-CC). The BCE can shoot overloaded photons into a following plasma ship before the plasma boat is even in effective range for s-torps. And unlike ships relying on FA photons, the BCE won't need to give up that range gap until it hits a border or terrain. It's not like there are no other ships that could do such a thing, but HDWs are rather more fragile than BCHs. Now, if there were such a thing as magic plasma bolts, well...I'll just say it wouldn't be much of problem...at all