Topic: t00l's (way better than Hexx's) racial PvP poll

[762_XC]

List in order, from best to worst, all 8 races in the order in which you fly them the best in PvP. Not your favorite race to fly, but the one in which you have the most (down to the least) skill.

When enough peeps post I'll compile and average the results. It should be interesting. I'll start:

Hydran <---My best race
Fed
Mirak
Gorn
Rom
ISC
Klingon
Lyran <---My worst race

[KBF-Crim]

Klingon(best)
Klingon
Klingon
Klingon
Klignon
Klingon
Klingon
Klingon(worst)

 

[Hexx]

1) Lyran
2) klink
3) Fed
4) Hydran
5) Mirak
6) Rom
7) ISC
Gorn


Now if you used a better question- such as lsit the races as you seen them in PVP killerness
it'd be

1) ISC
2) Hydran
3) Lyran
4) Fed
5) Klink
6) Gorn
7) Rom
8 ) Kzin

[Dfly]

takes a lot of thinking to figure that one out, lets see:


1-ISC?(cheesiest)
2-Klingon?(funnest)
3-Gorn?(challenging)
4-Romulan(like Gorn, only different)
5-Hydran(fighteriest)
6-Mirak(dronest)
7-Feds(horrendous)
8-Lyrans(worst)

[Julin Eurthyr]

I'd say:

1: quite possibly Klingon, not able to test on D2 due to colorblindness.  However, did use them fairly well during GW3 training...
2: ISC
3: Rom
4: Hydran
5: Fed
6: Gorn
7: Mirak
8: Lyran

[Dizzy]

Lyran <---My best race
Mirak
Rom
Klingon
Fed
ISC
Hydran
Gorn <---My worst race

How the Gorn are able to kill anyone on a big map, I habent a clue. Those who can, you have my complete respect and admiration above and beyond anyone else.   Mb they need this: http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163360580.msg1122628856.html#msg1122628856

I used to be really good as a Hydran. But it's been so long since I've played them... there are a lot of unusual and unique aspects of Hydran strategy and tactics that you cannot know or even appreciate till you have played them for a while. I have already forgotten some of it. Use it or lose it.

[762_XC]

Crimmy, you are so fired.

Diz, put Mirak and Lyran in order please. We are statistising here.

[FPF-DieHard]

1) Lyran
2) klink
3) Fed

you are a better Fed than you are a Lyan

[Dizzy]

Diz, put Mirak and Lyran in order please. We are statistising here.

Fixed. But Lyran and Mirak are so close... Chose Lyr cuz their ships are better which makes me better. 

[762_XC]

Yes, I knew that had to be the case. Since I have pwned you in Mirak vs Mirak, I knew that couldn't be your best race. Bwahahahaha!!!

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Alot really depends on the race you are flying against the ship class and the era, but off the top of my head I'd say in general this is my order.

1) Lyran
2) Romulan
3) ISC
4) Federation
5) Gorn
6) Mirak
7) Hydran
Klingon

[Matsukasi]

1. Mirak
2. Lyran
3. Hydran
4. Fed
5. Klink
6. ISC
7. Gorn
8. Rom

[GDA-Agave]

Hmmmmmmm.   Good question.   This is definitely better than Hexx's poll thread.

1) Gorn          (like an old steel helmet that's become so comfortable after lots of wear and tear)         
2) Klingon       (an old favorite, nothing like strapping yourself into a D5 death dealer)
3) Romulan     (plasma armed, klingon hulls, and NSMs, oh my)           
4) Mirak          (the true litterbugs of the universe and very scrappy)     
5) ISC            (plasma and PPDs, a ship that when flown well cannot be beat)
6) Hydran       (great balance of armament, with all those little cans of whoopass in your shuttlebay)
7) Federation  (Mirror, Mirror server.........hurt me, hurt me.........hey, stop that, I was joking)
8( Lyran         (Ah, the pure joy of flying around on GW1 and pretending I was a lawnmower with spikes)

That was fun.                   

[Dizzy]

Just talking to chuut, and realized something right off. The poll is what you fly best... but has little to do with what you like best... That should be something to think about...

[Braxton_RIP]

1. ISC
2. Romulan
3. Federation
4. Mirak
4. Gorn
4. Klingon
4. Hydran
8. Lyran

The lot of 4s is my tied races since I prett much equally suck with all four of them.    

[KBF-Soth]

1) Rom (killed many with the mauler,my fave ship)
2) Kling (nice mix of weapons and pwr curve...for the most part)
3) ISC   (just nasty....point and shoot)
4) Gorn ( can take a beating and still kick you in the teeth)
5) Fed   ( all around ok ships...I'll take a BCF up against almost anything)
6) Hydran (hope to bump this up on SGO)
7) Mirak  (can't be beat for hex flippin,but when Mirvs and fast missles and fighters combine=a big block of cheese)
Lyran (never killed anyone with 1 of these ships,luv their maulers though)

[Mutilator]

1) Lyran (FSD has been flying Lyran non stop for 2 and half years now by far most challenging and exciting race of them all for me)

2) Klingon (1st race played was in many Klink fleets DOA PDK BAD RDA)

3) Romulan (Played Rom for a few cycles in PDK really enjoyed them on SGO IV)

4) ISC (never played them other than in fun games but hard to not win with cheese)

5) Mirak (played the with PDK for a couple of cycles sub par cat ships  )

6) Hydran (played them with CB for a cycle or two. Best time playing as CB did not focus on fighters and we tended to played a lot of the other Hydran ships.

7) Federation (just seems dirty and my older brother always played them in SFB so I just developed a natural hate for them  have never played them until Mirror Mirror may try again on SGO V and Yes, I will shower after every use just like when finished with a dirty ho  )

Gorn (Umm where is the cloaking device? Never played them in anything but on GSA fun games, not bad but why when there are Roms to play.)

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Mirak
ISC
Fed
Klingon
Gorn
Rom
Hydran
Lyran

[Capt Jeff]

Fed
Hydran
Lyran
ISC
Gorn
Rom
Mirak
Klingon

[Hexx]

1) Lyran
2) klink
3) Fed

you are a better Fed than you are a Lyan

That's just cold man..

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

1- Fed
    Hydran
2- Klingon (at least according to DH)
3- Lyran
4- Mirak
5- ISC
   Gorn
   Rom

[FPF-DieHard]

Fed
ISC
Hydran
Rom
Mirak
Klingon
Gorn
Lyran

[Hexx]

I'm begining to think no one's going to show up for LCW..

buncha useless gits.

Yah turn the ESG on and smack people with it
What's so hard?

[SkyFlyer]

1. Fed (How I love thee)
2. ISC (need to play it more)
3. Mirak (missles o joy)
4. Klink (missles o joy)
5.Gorn (plasma)
6. Lyran (need to practice my ramming)
7. Rom (need to practice my cloak)
8. Hydran (once my fighters are gone, so am I).

[762_XC]

Average rankings after 16 posts:

Feds - 3.69
ISC - 3.75
Klingon - 4.13
Mirak - 4.44
Rom - 4.44
Hydran - 4.88
Lyran - 5.19
Gorn - 5.50

What I found most interesting is that almost everyone picked Lyran as either their first or last.

[KBF-Soth]

That's becuz you either luv em or not

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

What I found most interesting is that almost everyone picked Lyran as either their first or last.

Great ships, but rely heavily on pilot skills 

[el-Karnak]

I do not PvP as much as I should but here's my list:

Best to Worst

I have BBQed people with these ships category:
I-S-C
Klingon
Hydran
Fed

I am pretty sure that I can BBQ somebody with these ships category:
Lyran

I am just winging it Category
Mirak

No Idea/completely clueless Category
Rom
Gorn


Cannot really comment on Rom and Gorns cuz I don't fly them enough. In fact, I don't think I have ever flown Gorn on any dyna ever. 

I really don't know what I am doing with Mirak ships. I tend to fly them like a Klingon would and the durn thing can't turn fast enough.

[FPF-DieHard]

I really don't know what I am doing with Mirak ships. I tend to fly them like a Klingon would and the durn thing can't turn fast enough.

Mirak and Klink ships need to be flow different.   Though they have the same weapons, they are very different

[FA Frey XC]

Fed <---My best race
Hydran
ISC
Gorn
Klingon
Lyran
Mirak
Rom <---My worst race

[Matsukasi]

I really don't know what I am doing with Mirak ships. I tend to fly them like a Klingon would and the durn thing can't turn fast enough.

Mirak and Klink ships need to be flow different.   Though they have the same weapons, they are very different

To further complicate things from a Mirak perspective, within the Mirak community itself there are 2 polar opposite pvp approaches.

Those who use drones as actual weapons to damage the opponent.
Those who use drones to manipulate the opponent into doing what you want them to do.

There are just enough racks on most ships to use either approach really. It's been so cool over the years watching the same ships used so radically different by my friends. Some races have pretty set standard attack procedures, but I'm sure some other race guys can identify with what I'm talking about.

[Dizzy]

Those who use drones as actual weapons to damage the opponent.
Those who use drones to manipulate the opponent into doing what you want them to do.

U forgot one: Those who use both.

[Matsukasi]

U forgot one: Those who use both.

Yeah yeah yeah..... Hey, you finish that Mav/Diz vs me story yet or what? Only been like.... 3 years or something. Get on the ball, slacker.

[SkyFlyer]

What I found most interesting is that almost everyone picked Lyran as either their first or last.

Not me you n00b.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Those who use drones as actual weapons to damage the opponent.
Those who use drones to manipulate the opponent into doing what you want them to do.

U forgot one: Those who use both.

There is no such creature, its a total fction 

[762_XC]

The simple fact is no matter how much you may want to use drones to hurt someone, against an experienced opponent it's not going to happen unless they allow it to. I really don't see them as seperate strategies but one and the same. How the Mirak's opponent handles the drones determine which strategy is being used.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Actually while t00l is correct to a degree, as tactics change depending on the enemy actions, the type of drones carried and how they are initially used usually does revolve around the pilot,s style. If the pilot is hoping for a crushing drone strike he will likely be carrying type 4s, if he wants to use them as a movement constraint he will likely be carrying type 1s.  The same applys to the types of fighters he carries.  After the mission starts and intial phases of combat have occurred, however, the Kzin pilot usually has to base his actions on the enemy's responses.

[Corbomite]

Well t00l already knows the answer to this, but I'll help out with his survey anyway.


1) ISC

2) ISC

3) ISC

4) ISC

5) ISC

6) ISC

7) ISC

8 ) ISC


And my best Pirate races (just to be thorough)

9) ISC

10) ISC

11) ISC

12) ISC

13) ISC

14) ISC

15) ISC

16) ISC


And if we ever add the Andros and Tholians

17) ISC

18) ISC


Hope this helps!

[GDA-S'Cipio]

1.) Gorn
2.) Romulan
3.) Mirak Kzinti
4.) Klingon
5.) Federation
6.) Hydran
7.) ISC
8.) Lyran

A lot of this is practice.  I'm certain that the order would change if I flew some of the races near the bottom more often on the D2.  I think that intrinsically the ISC and the Lyrans should be near the top, but I tend to use ISC torps too offensively and I don't manage my Lyran power curve tightly enough so I end up getting caught on little mistakes with both of them.

-S'Cipio

[Soreyes]

1.) KZINTI   Drones away
2.) ISC    I love the sound of a PPD hitting a bare hull
3.) KLINGON   Fast and Fun
4.) Romulan   Fast and Brittle
5.) Gorn   Slow and Tuff
6.) Lyran   I have a hell of a time with the power management
7.) Fed   Watch your torps fly off into deep space

[Capt Jeff]

1.) KZINTI   Drones away
2.) ISC    I love the sound of a PPD hitting a bare hull
3.) KLINGON   Fast and Fun
4.) Romulan   Fast and Brittle
5.) Gorn   Slow and Tuff
6.) Lyran   I have a hell of a time with the power management
7.) Fed   Watch your torps fly off into deep space

Maybe you forgot.....there are 8 races.....Hydran being one of them   

[Soreyes]

1.) KZINTI   Drones away
2.) ISC    I love the sound of a PPD hitting a bare hull
3.) KLINGON   Fast and Fun
4.) Romulan   Fast and Brittle
5.) Gorn   Slow and Tuff
6.) Lyran   I have a hell of a time with the power management
7.) Fed   Watch your torps fly off into deep space

Maybe you forgot.....there are 8 races.....Hydran being one of them   

Oops..... Puts down the "Nip" pipe          I would put the Hydrans at #4 then the Roms.

[Nemesis]

1.) Klingon
2.) Romulan
3.) Lyran
4.) Federation
5.) Hydran
6.) Kzinti
7.) Gorn
8.) ISC

[Laflin]

<Old Fart searches for and dusts off memory>

Hmm, let me see - if I were to rank drone cheeser it would have to be ...

1 Lyran
1 Fed
1 Klink
1 Lesser Kats
5 GasBag
6 Frogs
7 Rommie
8 Luggage

Now if you go with the non drone cheeser it would be...

1 Lyran
1 Fed
1 Klink
4 Lesser Kats
5 Frogs
6 GasBag
7 Rommie
8 Luggage
9 Hexx

Oops - sorry about #9 - forgot we were talking about races and not individual pilot skills

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

<Old Fart searches for and dusts off memory>

Hmm, let me see - if I were to rank drone cheeser it would have to be ...

1 Lyran
1 Fed
1 Klink
1 Lesser Kats
5 GasBag
6 Frogs
7 Rommie
8 Luggage

Now if you go with the non drone cheeser it would be...

1 Lyran
1 Fed
1 Klink
4 Lesser Kats
5 Frogs
6 GasBag
7 Rommie
8 Luggage
9 Hexx

Oops - sorry about #9 - forgot we were talking about races and not individual pilot skills

Umm....you put Lyran in twice on each list and left out Mirak, obviously you were thinking of SFC 1 and forgot about Orion Pirates due to senility setting in as you reached your "golden years"