Topic: SGO Shiplist error

[Braxton_RIP]

I have been flying various Fed ships.  On the BCE, either the RSLF (Slot 15) or the LSRF (Slot 14) is screwed up.  On allows fire to the FX and direct rear (Slot 15) the other is showing as a FHL (Slot 14) .

If it is just some sort of bug and they fire properly, I'll shut up.  Going to go back to flying.

[Hexx]

 An error on the BCE that's gone unoticed??     

The ships actual firing arcs match neither what they show on the UI, nor what
the SL has them at.


I'm thinking the BCE jockey's are screwed..

[Dizzy]

The BCE's screwed up arcs do not have the proper graphic interface. They are patched and work, but you just cant see what arc they fire from the pic of the arc.

The one on the left fires LS+FA. The one on the right fires RS+FA.

Hope that helps.

[Braxton_RIP]

Alrighty, thanks.  Good to know since it might actually be a little more useful with the AMD on it.

[Hexx]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

[Braxton_RIP]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

Gotta look at it this way, it is better than having two dead weight ships, an NCA and a BCH in the Fed list.  I few the BCE a couple times against the AI earlier and it was actually fun to fly.  It is only 1 AMD, so it runs out fast....

[Hexx]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

Gotta look at it this way, it is better than having two dead weight ships, an NCA and a BCH in the Fed list.  I few the BCE a couple times against the AI earlier and it was actually fun to fly.  It is only 1 AMD, so it runs out fast....

Yesss.. on the other hand the Feds already have a BCG,BCF,BCJ,BCV,BCS do they really need a 6th BCH?
I mean I still thinks it suxxors, but  if no one cares I'll save up my whining for the next server 

[Dizzy]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

Gotta look at it this way, it is better than having two dead weight ships, an NCA and a BCH in the Fed list.  I few the BCE a couple times against the AI earlier and it was actually fun to fly.  It is only 1 AMD, so it runs out fast....

Yesss.. on the other hand the Feds already have a BCG,BCF,BCJ,BCV,BCS do they really need a 6th BCH?
I mean I still thinks it suxxors, but  if no one cares I'll save up my whining for the next server 

Look at it this way, the Klinks did it right the 1st time: C7

[Hexx]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

Gotta look at it this way, it is better than having two dead weight ships, an NCA and a BCH in the Fed list.  I few the BCE a couple times against the AI earlier and it was actually fun to fly.  It is only 1 AMD, so it runs out fast....

Yesss.. on the other hand the Feds already have a BCG,BCF,BCJ,BCV,BCS do they really need a 6th BCH?
I mean I still thinks it suxxors, but  if no one cares I'll save up my whining for the next server 

Look at it this way, the Klinks did it right the 1st time: C7

<coughs> BCPP..

[LordSaxon]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

Gotta look at it this way, it is better than having two dead weight ships, an NCA and a BCH in the Fed list.  I few the BCE a couple times against the AI earlier and it was actually fun to fly.  It is only 1 AMD, so it runs out fast....

Well its funny the AMD "granted" to the BCE is an AMD 12, so I guess it runs out as fast as the one on the C7. All other Fed BCH's have AMD 6.
Besides, whats wrong w/ a "Deadweight" ship among your BCH's, you have the most of any race to choose from...

I wonder what other unannounced changes have been made behind the scenes?

[FPF-DieHard]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

Gotta look at it this way, it is better than having two dead weight ships, an NCA and a BCH in the Fed list.  I few the BCE a couple times against the AI earlier and it was actually fun to fly.  It is only 1 AMD, so it runs out fast....

Well its funny the AMD "granted" to the BCE is an AMD 12, so I guess it runs out as fast as the one on the C7. All other Fed BCH's have AMD 6.
Besides, whats wrong w/ a "Deadweight" ship among your BCH's, you have the most of any race to choose from...

I wonder what other unannounced changes have been made behind the scenes?

When somebody actually flies a BCE, then you can bitch   

[Dizzy]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

Gotta look at it this way, it is better than having two dead weight ships, an NCA and a BCH in the Fed list.  I few the BCE a couple times against the AI earlier and it was actually fun to fly.  It is only 1 AMD, so it runs out fast....

Well its funny the AMD "granted" to the BCE is an AMD 12, so I guess it runs out as fast as the one on the C7. All other Fed BCH's have AMD 6.
Besides, whats wrong w/ a "Deadweight" ship among your BCH's, you have the most of any race to choose from...

I wonder what other unannounced changes have been made behind the scenes?

The Miranda got 2x Ph3's and an ADD12. That's it for that one. The BCE got revised ph1 arcs and an ADD12. W/o drone racks, and keep this in mind, they come out in the era of cheese, they just cant deal with ftrs or PF's... These two ships are support for the most part, but dealing with cheese is asking too much of them.

Deadweights, DH, mb... but they have a chance now.

Well its funny the AMD "granted" to the BCE is an AMD 12, so I guess it runs out as fast as the one on the C7.

Well, since the BCE doesnt have drones, the C7 wouldnt run out at all.

And Saxon, the only other changes to the Fed list are the removal of the F-PFB. That heavy PF boat is gone. I thought it was too uber. On the flip side, your C10K got an upgrade... ADD or something... I'd have to ask DH. But its better than stock C10K.

[Hexx]

The problem is (imo) that the "new" BCE would make a wicked castler.
Sure it can't move(well), but photons fore and aft , better phaser arcs
and AMD (even if limited)with 51 power behind it all
would make for some great ECM/ECCm power and shiled reinforcement.

-> Just my opinion though, Ill admit for all I know it could be the worst castler ever.
Unfortunately I have very little experience at being a star castling twat so..

I'm not saying it's a bad idea,- but why was any thought at all given to it? Feds already have 3 BCH's, and
have one with 6 photons already

[FPF-DieHard]

I'm not saying it's a bad idea,- but why was any thought at all given to it? Feds already have 3 BCH's, and
have one with 6 photons already

It's one of Dizzy's pet obscessions.  I'm serious.

[Hexx]

I'm not saying it's a bad idea,- but why was any thought at all given to it? Feds already have 3 BCH's, and
have one with 6 photons already

It's one of Dizzy's pet obscessions.  I'm serious.

Eh, as I said- I think it would make a wicked castler, but I can't see how it would dominate PVP in any real way.
Guess I'll have to get started on that BCV-mauler thing I was working on..

[Dizzy]

I'll be honest. I have an obsessive compulsive disorder when it comes to the BCE, CAI and NCM. Fortunately, I am taking medication now and I have managed to leave behind 1/3 of my problems. I cut the CAI from SG5.

On ALL past SG servers, these three ships have been pet projects of mine. They fascinate me. Possibly because they are unique in the Fed lineup and have some hidden and innate quality that demands to discovered. All of those servers have seen a slightly tweaked and different version of them. Yet something is glaringly wrong with them. They are quite your oddity standout for sure. These ships dont know what to be. I dont know what it is, but I just cant seem to fix what is wrong with them. They are like a near perfect diamond but one that has an exceedingly large flaw, but still a daimond.

My goal with these ships has always been one and the same. To have an excellent PvP ship w/o it being OTT. But version after version has shown only one thing to be consistent with these ships. They are lepers. So the quest goes on. Last server iirc, the BCE had 6x photons that all fired FARA. It was mean. But it still wasnt right.

This server, I changed course a bit, left the photon arcs alone, and revised the phaser arcs a tad and added an ADD rack.

Why do I do this? I dont know. The only players who have ever flown them on a server, are your truly, and I did spot SSCF Paladin in one. Kinda like one of those moments when you catch someone riding a moped or a fat .... 

Seriosuly, tho... these ships have always been chastised, put down laughed at. But they have the potential to pwn an opponent in an exceedingly embarrasing way. You just have to fly them to know how. You have to understand them. And I doubt that anyone understands them the way I do... You will see. You will all see. I will show you.

[Braxton_RIP]

Where's the "boggle?" button..

Someone put AMD on the BCE and NCM?

Gotta look at it this way, it is better than having two dead weight ships, an NCA and a BCH in the Fed list.  I few the BCE a couple times against the AI earlier and it was actually fun to fly.  It is only 1 AMD, so it runs out fast....

Well its funny the AMD "granted" to the BCE is an AMD 12, so I guess it runs out as fast as the one on the C7. All other Fed BCH's have AMD 6.
Besides, whats wrong w/ a "Deadweight" ship among your BCH's, you have the most of any race to choose from...

I wonder what other unannounced changes have been made behind the scenes?

Yea... just because I said it didn't suck as much as it used to doesn't mean anyone is dumb enough to fly it.... I might take her for a spin, but the hell I am going to take from people about how it is a POS and I should go back to flying my F-POL+ lol.....

[Capt Jeff]

The BCE is  a backwards ship.  It either needs tweaks, or needs to be removed.  No other ship comes out so late with no ADD/Seeking weapons/Fighters  (It's 2 Ph3's fire RA only..lol).  I could also see lowering it's power to 42, reducing it's move cost to 1, and reducing it's shield strength a bit and calling it the F-BCH.  Coming out a year or two before the BCG.

Those aren't the only ships that are screwy though.    For example, I'd like to see the K'Tinga with 2 more points of power and a cheap cloak (didn't anyone see ST: VI ?). 

[CaptJosh]

It's supposed to be the Excelsior. For some reason, actual on screen ship classes seem to get nerfed. Look at the stock Miranda class. The only decent thing about it is that all four torps are FA/RA. It is useable, but not yet by me. I'm not that good a pilot yet.

[Julin Eurthyr]

IIRC, the CAI, NCM, and BCE were supposed to be the "movie" ships.  CAI = TMP Enterprise, NCM = TWOK Reliant, BCE = NX2000 Excelsior.  D7T = TMP K'Tinga (more the ones seen in ST I, not the Khronos of ST VI...)

Weaponry was designed to reflect their "on-screen" loadouts, not the SFB-style.  As the movies didn't have lots of drones etc., they were designed with little to no PD weaponry.  They might be better "Plasma front" ships than "Western front" ships (maybe useful against Lyrans), if their move costs weren't so screwy in some cases (isn't the BCE's MC=1.5 instead of the 1.25 of most BCHs?)