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Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« on: September 21, 2005, 11:42:42 am »
The upcoming episode (9/23/05 @ 10/9C on SciFi) will run 2 minutes overtime.

Check your VCR/DVR settings, and set for 5 minutes over the regularly scheduled time.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2005, 07:53:24 pm »
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2005, 09:11:53 am »
We can only hope It's here and not Baldor.  ;)

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2005, 01:00:37 pm »
We can only hope It's here and not Baldor.  ;)

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Um, Baltar? Looks like another cool episode from the preview.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2005, 03:37:32 pm »
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2005, 05:12:21 pm »
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2005, 05:52:58 pm »
More partial to Boomer myself. ;D
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2005, 06:58:07 am »
WOW!!!!  :o

This episode it going to be SHOCKING as hell, guys!  The Pegasus is definately not the good ship lollipop!

If you feel like listening to a spoiler... in an abnormal style... Ron D Moore has put out his pod cast for the episode BEFORE the episode airs. (strangely, episode 2X09's pod cast is not out yet)

If you feel like getting spoiled

There are going to be some very interesting moments in this story arc....
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2005, 02:30:25 pm »
I see Ron D. Moore got tired of completely obliterating every trace of the main cast of the original Galactica, now he's out to totally destroy Lloyd Bridges' Commander Cain, too.  Makes me even more angry that Firefly got cancelled.


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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2005, 03:19:24 pm »
I see Ron D. Moore got tired of completely obliterating every trace of the main cast of the original Galactica, now he's out to totally destroy Lloyd Bridges' Commander Cain, too.  Makes me even more angry that Firefly got cancelled.

HEAR!!HEAR!!, I am w/ you on that. (Firefly part) ;D




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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2005, 04:33:02 pm »
I see Ron D. Moore got tired of completely obliterating every trace of the main cast of the original Galactica, now he's out to totally destroy Lloyd Bridges' Commander Cain, too. Makes me even more angry that Firefly got cancelled.

I am truly sorry that this Battlestar Galactica is not the 'Love Boat in Space' that the original was.....
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2005, 08:41:03 am »
Can someone explain to me why I waited an extra two minutes, to see Commercials for SG:atlantis twice in a row, which I just saw before BSG?

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2005, 09:36:57 am »
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2005, 12:22:47 pm »
I see Ron D. Moore got tired of completely obliterating every trace of the main cast of the original Galactica, now he's out to totally destroy Lloyd Bridges' Commander Cain, too.  Makes me even more angry that Firefly got cancelled.

 Dude the Old series was candy a$$ed, and corny as heck. Whats wrong with the new one?

 These guys are supposed to be fighting for their lives every minute, not taking a Sunday drive.
 Its a war of Genocide, not a minor conflict.

 The Old series never portrayed that at all . It was allways launch the Vipers, kill the bad guys, and Adama & Starbuc saves the day again.

 Then it was back to drinking,space disco, gambling, and lame love stories. ::)

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2005, 02:19:40 pm »
Then it was back to drinking,space disco, gambling, and lame love stories. ::)

Your home world has been wiped out, the 12 colonies have been destroyed, what are you gonna do?

Hit the DISCO PLANET!!!

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2005, 08:02:37 pm »
I see Ron D. Moore got tired of completely obliterating every trace of the main cast of the original Galactica, now he's out to totally destroy Lloyd Bridges' Commander Cain, too.  Makes me even more angry that Firefly got cancelled.

 Dude the Old series was candy a$$ed, and corny as heck. Whats wrong with the new one?

 These guys are supposed to be fighting for their lives every minute, not taking a Sunday drive.
 Its a war of Genocide, not a minor conflict.

 The Old series never portrayed that at all . It was allways launch the Vipers, kill the bad guys, and Adama & Starbuc saves the day again.

 Then it was back to drinking,space disco, gambling, and lame love stories. ::)

Remember what I say next is ALL opinion.  I can see why the original BSG got top ratings whilst the new one might be at the top of SCi Fi channel's ratings, but at the bottom of the heap compared to the big three.

Simply put, the old one may have been corny, but it at least somehow kept my interest.  Now having seen the old series, and even having it on DVD, I enjoy it.

The new one, I've tried sitting through episodes, but just like Enterprise (actually Enterprise was more entertaining and interesting to me edit: and season four actually DID keep my interest) it fails to catch my interest.  I've tried, but for me, it's boring as heck!  It's probable that the general population of the Western World feels the same.  Unless you are a hard core sci fi fan (which I suppose I am not edit: Though I have read more sci fi than many, and have a better understanding of science than many sci fi fans!) it's probably not something that will catch your interest.

The original had much more mass appeal.  Of course many things which have mass appeal most sci fi geeks will consider corny or cheesy.  Doesn't mean the old one is better than the new one or the new one is better than the old one, just a matter of how appealing it is.

Last week had a nice episode, but I was so bored still (at least I kept switching back to it instead of giving up completely after 15 minutes and watching something MUCH more interesting, like Hope and Faith or some other Friday night show which has more mass appeal) that I saw Adama send over the marine strike force along with fighters and say he wanted his men back, but then switched the channel and have no idea what happened after that...and truthfully, it doesn't bother me that much.

That's the difference between the two shows for me.  One is waaaaaaay boring and I keep giving it chances because people here say it's good for who knows why, whilst the other one can actually keep my interest.

Maybe it's just I'm part of the masses and young enough to be part of what some people call the attention deficit generation or something.  Of course the old one has terrible special effects and isn't really as action packed so I'm not certain what the charm is of it for the youth/masses like me, but if it's the cheese of it, well I'd choose cheese over boring episodes anyday.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2005, 08:49:35 pm »
Unless you are a hard core sci fi fan (which I suppose I am not edit: Though I have read more sci fi than many, and have a better understanding of science than many sci fi fans!)

Glad you only expressed your 'opinion' *snicker*
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2005, 09:39:26 pm »
I can understand what Dash is saying, and he's right that, in it's time, the original probably had more mass appeal.  It was, simply put, a popcorn show.  It wasn't meant to tug at anything beyond the most basic of emotions and entertain it's audience with the bright lights and pretty girls.  Some shows that aren't meant to do more than that manage to accomplish it anyway.  For some people the original BSG did.  For me it didn't.  It was just a little too cartoony, a little too silly.  Perhaps it's only because I was raised on more cerebral shows like the original Star Trek and the original Twilight Zone, but there it is.

The new one?  Well, it aims a hell of a lot higher, hits most of the time, and entertains the hell out of me to boot.  In nearly every aspect save the 'high adventureness', it stikes me as a superior show to the original.  The characters are believable and well-drawn.  The tension is high even when everything seems to be calm.  The funny moments, when they come, make me laugh my ass off.  Etc.

As a writer, I prefer the newer series because it's better put together.  As a fan, I prefer it because it punches something besides the 'gee whiz' button, and that's getting more and more rare on modern TV.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2005, 09:35:04 am »

Remember what I say next is ALL opinion.  I can see why the original BSG got top ratings whilst the new one might be at the top of SCi Fi channel's ratings, but at the bottom of the heap compared to the big three.

The original BSG did not get top ratings, or even good ratings.

I loved the original when I saw it as a kid.  Trying to rewatch it as an adult is still enjoyable at times, but often difficult.  Still, I'm fond of it and I *hate* some of the reworkings, like making Starbuck a woman.  I should have known Moore would make Cain a woman too.

Geez, what's up with that?  There were plenty of good-but-wasted female characters in the original that he could have made better use of, or he could have even created new characters like he did with "The Chief", the President, and Helo.  Whey does he have to mess with the stuff that "worked" in the old series?  (Answer:  to generate outrage and publicity.  ;)  )

However, and the real reason I posted, the original BSG did not draw top ratings.   It dropped like a stone after the first few episodes, and spent the last half of the season stuck in the bottom five.   I remember because I loved the show, heard it was in trouble, and watched the ratings weekly hoping they would show some life.  They never did.

Lorne Green made some comments at the start of Galactica 1980 about how their average ratings for the seaon were in the mid 20's, "not bad for a Sci-Fi show," but that was average for the season.  The numbers direction was down and it wasn't turning around.   The original show was cancelled because no one was watching.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2005, 01:44:54 pm »
I loved the original when I saw it as a kid.  Trying to rewatch it as an adult is still enjoyable at times, but often difficult.  Still, I'm fond of it and I *hate* some of the reworkings, like making Starbuck a woman.  I should have known Moore would make Cain a woman too.
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After watching "Pegasus", I can't say how Cain being female made a hill-o-beans of difference. Her gender played no role in the story whatsoever.

The temperament on Galactica is not nearly as militaristic as on Pegasus, no doubt because of the interaction & shepherding of the RTF. The new "Pegasus" is more of a "beware becoming what you are fighting against" story than the original. The old BSG Cain simply was obsessed with assaulting a Cylon outpost. You liked him...but what's with a swagger stick on a battlestar?! He gots himself a horse on the hanger bay?

In all, the gender changes in the new BSG are of the "either you are open to it, or not" variety. It almost rises to the level of Enterprise v Star Destroyer debates ;-)

The change WAS made for the sake of something different.  Different dynamics-> different stories -> more interesting.

Some disagree, and the gender changes are so disliked that the new BSG is referred to by some as GINO (Galactica In Name Only).
FYI: While not spoken in the episode, the Cylon prisoner on Pegasus is named "Gina" in the script. No coincidence .....

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2005, 04:05:46 pm »
Ratings for shows of the late 70s early 80s are a bit misleading. Back then if it wasn't on the one of the big three it probaly wasn't watched for the simple reason that it couldn't be watched. Remember when the rage was the cable top box atop the tv with a whopping 36 channels (if any were even available beyond the pay channel and local access)? To be at the bottom of the ratings back then was a death blow.

Now we have niche tv where the watchers of a "specialzed" channel may come near equal to size with the viewers of one the major 5. Imagine how a program following the formula of the original BSG would do today?

Either a rage or gone in a half season.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2005, 07:31:00 pm »
There were a lot of reasons for Battlestar being the way it was.  Here's a link that recaps a lot of what I remember:

http://www.blast.net/hart/BG.htm

I can say that preempting series is a big killer.  They seem to do it for a lot of the really quirky niche shows, and then wonder why they fail.  Hmmmm.  Anyhow, BSG was hokey, but I believe that many of the concepts behind it are superior to what the new BSG has (at least what there is of it).  I will say that I did enjoy the rebroadcast, shortened version, of the miniseries on network TV much more than I did the full length version.  I definitely needed material cut.

Still, I have to say that 20 or 30 years from now, you'll look back at BSG today and say "Oh, my god!  That was so corny!".   I mean glowing spines when having sex?  C'mon.  I've seen a few episodes since and it continuesin the same vein.  Oh, well.

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Different dynamics-> different stories -> more interesting.


Different doesn't equal better.  Just doesn't.  Different means different.  How many "reimaginings" have we seen as of late that are total duds.  Bewitched?  Dukes of Hazzard?  The list goes on, and they're all different, but not even close to better.  Now, I wouldn't say this goes as far down as some of those, but they are definitely lacking, imo.  I can't see what all the rage is about, that's for sure.  Could the original BSG be improved upon?  Absolutely, but the core mythology was solid, and they didn't need to touch certain aspects.  (I think it's interesting that the Col is now a white guy, and the main black pilot is an Asian chick?  Awful lot of white floating around that ship, don't ya think?  I normally don't care to comment on stuff like that, but c'mon.  At least give credit for the Original BSG having a "minority" as the second in command, and a cool one at that. I think they were the first, weren't they? Unless you count Vulcans as a minority.;))

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2005, 08:14:33 pm »
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By the end of the season, Battlestar Galactica finished at number 24. One week before the last episode aired, ABC announced its cancellation. Galactica fans were outraged. Protests were held outside ABC studios. A 15 year old boy jumped off of a bridge, committing suicide because of the cancellation.


Smirk...

Case in point...

BSG on Sci Fi hasn't even ever finished in the top 50...as far as I know, unless you discount the big three, sports, and prime time typically.

It did garner more than Enterprise however I believe in the first week making it perhaps in the top 50 of the Friday night...

AND when they showed the abbreviated version on one of the big three it did adequete, however nowhere close enough to have them put it as a regular series or anything.

IMO of course.

Why was the show cancelled however, afterall, even in todays forum with lowered expectation in the ratings game, #24 is respectable if not the best (at least better than most of the programs that appear on WB, and most of the WB programs rate higher than those on UPN...which is probably competing with Sci Fi overall for audiences...or was at least...though America's Next Top Model did respectfully okay, and I hate to admit I even watched a few episodes of it and of course was more entertained than by watching Enterprise or BSG some of the time).

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Why was Galactica cancelled? The truth is that no one knows for sure. It was probably due to a number of reasons. ABC gambled Galactica would be the number one show on television. It wasn't. To finish the season at number 24 must have seemed to them as failure. The show lost money due to its one million-per-episode price tag, but the writing certainly would have gotten better had the show gone a second season, as science fiction author Isaac Asimov was going to be brought in. As a result, the ratings surely would have gone up.

As aforementioned, starting the show off as a weekly series was a mistake. For example, the syndicated hit show Hercules began as four television movies, which allowed it to develop a fan base. When it finally became a weekly show, it had enough fans that it was an instant hit. The same would likely have happened with Galactica had it been done the same way. Also, there would have been plenty of space battle footage from several movies that could have been reused in a weekly show without getting redundant.

Some say that Universal put pressure on ABC to cancel the show. Others have speculated that ABC was jealous that Universal was receiving all of the profits on the vast amount of Galactica merchandise being sold. Certainly, the lawsuit from Twentieth Century Fox didn't help. Fox sued Universal, claiming that Galactica infringed on the copyrights of Star Wars. This was a ludicrous claim. While Galactica was certainly inspired by Star Wars, Star Wars was inspired by numerous science fiction stories before it. Just as the lawsuit was about to be thrown out, Universal countersued Fox, claiming that Star Wars infringed on Universal's 1972 science fiction film Silent Running. This claim was even more ridiculous than Fox's, and it only served to prolong the lawsuit until August 22, 1980, when the courts finally declared that Galactica was not an infringement on Star Wars.

Glen Larson has speculated that Mork and Mindy, which had better ratings, did more to hurt Galactica than anything else. ABC probably looked at Mork and Mindy and said, "Here's science fiction the way it ought to be done." When Mork and Mindy was placed in Galactica's Sunday time slot, its ratings plummeted to depths lower than Galactica's. This is when ABC realized they had made a mistake in canceling the show.

Dirk Benedict believes the show may have been canceled partly because he was hired to play the role of Starbuck. Larson wanted Benedict for the role, but ABC refused, saying he wasn't handsome enough for the part (In reality, they had another actor whom they wanted for the role). It came down to almost a war. Shooting for the show was about to begin, and Larson told ABC he would stop production of the show unless Benedict was hired. The network finally gave in, but there were hard feelings as a result. ABC was the number one network at the time, and the executives there were said to have been rather arrogant. Thus the show may have been canceled partly out of spite due to the incident. Because ABC was the number one network, the executives may have felt they didn't need Galactica. If the show had been on another network, it might have not been canceled.

John Colicos (Baltar) has said that the Galactica production crew used a special effects camera licensed exclusively to George Lucas, and Fox may have threatened to bring this into the lawsuit if the show wasn't canceled.

Ultimately, no one knows for sure why the show was canceled. The only thing certain is that ABC made a mistake, which they admitted to by quickly reviving the show as Galactica 1980.


Edited PS:  By the way, I DID hear that Galactica 1980 bombed the big one however.

Added PS PS:  Did you know Glen Larson was like the King of TV in the 80s though, Magnum PI, Knight Rider, and some others seemed to be on his plate, he had top series all over the place.  But with today's audiences either he can't make something grittier for today's grittier crowd, or he decided to stop...have no idea on that one.

Last Edit (hopefully):  It should be noted that just because something has better ratings or more mass appeal doesn't necessarily mean that it is better.  I think some of you are reading that into this, and I stated in my first post it doesn't necessarily mean that.  Afterall, Titanic had big mass appeal apparantly when it was released and I thought it stunk big burger noodles.  I'm stating what could be possibly wrong with the new one (which is of course dependant on your opinion).  That is that the series lacks mass appeal.  It's no...Faith and Hope, or Sunday Night Football, or anything of that nature).  This of course is fine by Sci Fi (which tends to pick up other series that are cast off after their ratings fall, but those ratings are just fine for Sci Fi, and are even given a new life and sometimes start picking up in ratings on Sci Fi (I believe SG-1 falls into that category).  This doesn't mean that it's worse, or better than the original, it just means that whether its better or not is in the eye of the beholder.

Hence I why I explained why it's ratings aren't really high.  It doesn't appeal to the mass audiences.  To those that it appeals to it might be the best show since...well ever.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2005, 08:58:55 pm »
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By the end of the season, Battlestar Galactica finished at number 24. One week before the last episode aired, ABC announced its cancellation. Galactica fans were outraged. Protests were held outside ABC studios. A 15 year old boy jumped off of a bridge, committing suicide because of the cancellation.


Smirk...

Case in point...

BSG on Sci Fi hasn't even ever finished in the top 50...as far as I know, unless you discount the big three, sports, and prime time typically.

It did garner more than Enterprise however I believe in the first week making it perhaps in the top 50 of the Friday night...

Care to explain why it is the considered the 3rd best TV advertising market on cable with such shotty ratings?

And if it is such a dismal ratings failure... why did SciFi just sign them up for a 3rd season?

BTW, for those who don't know, TNS surpassed TOS in total episodes made with Friday's episode.

Also, it is one of the top shows downloaded off the internet.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2005, 09:53:30 pm »
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By the end of the season, Battlestar Galactica finished at number 24. One week before the last episode aired, ABC announced its cancellation. Galactica fans were outraged. Protests were held outside ABC studios. A 15 year old boy jumped off of a bridge, committing suicide because of the cancellation.



Smirk...

Case in point...

BSG on Sci Fi hasn't even ever finished in the top 50...as far as I know, unless you discount the big three, sports, and prime time typically.

It did garner more than Enterprise however I believe in the first week making it perhaps in the top 50 of the Friday night...


Care to explain why it is the considered the 3rd best TV advertising market on cable with such shotty ratings?

And if it is such a dismal ratings failure... why did SciFi just sign them up for a 3rd season?

BTW, for those who don't know, TNS surpassed TOS in total episodes made with Friday's episode.

Also, it is one of the top shows downloaded off the internet.


Sci fi picked up Sliders...

Sci Fi still actually plays marathons of the original BSG,

Sci Fi plays TOS...

You don't have to have stellar ratings to be on Sci Fi...in fact, you don't even have to really have ratings.

as far as merchandising...I suppose it's not hard to beat CNN for merchandising, though I have to admit I see more CNN shirts than BSG in the general public.  It depends on what you say is Cable TV show.  I'm pretty certain Playboy and it's channels do better with their merchandising, same perhaps with some of the Pay Per Veiw Channels.

Then there's the actual Star Trek that still plays on Cable.  And it's merchandise still makes lots of money (though a lot is sunk into it in the making as well).

I'm pretty certain that NFL and it's merchandising do better.

Same goes for ESPN and it's sports.  I KNOW that the video games for the various sports probably do better.

What is your source that it has better merchandising than ESPN, CNN, Playboy, HBO, and their top programs?  I'm betting one Baseball game broadcast on WGN on a weekend near the playoffs has more in merchandising (heck at cheap tickets, let's say 30 dollars a pop, and with only 5000 seats sold which would mean empty stands, which is very UNLIKELY near the playoffs if they show the Cubs playing a team doing decently well, means they get 1.5 million just on the seats themselves not to mention all those who might be watching it on TV, or via other wise.  Then you have their merchandising.  You could say the TV is a merchandising off of the team...BUT...it's all relative.

Exactly how are you defining that idea that it has the third best on Cable TV?

Enterprise was consistently in the top ten, and many times the top in downloaded programs off the internet.  You saw how it's ratings were.

You seem to take offense at the very idea that BSG (new) might not be doing well in the ratings?

Unfortunately this link only goes to the top 20...

http://tv.yahoo.com/nielsen/

But as you can see...no BSG...

We can go to Nielsen themselves

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/ratings/cable_programs.html

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/ratings/syndicated_programs.html

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/ratings/broadcast_programs.html

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/ratings/among_african-americans.html

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/ratings/among_hispanics.html

Unfortunately I can't find the sites that list the top 50 shows of the week that used to do it (Yahoo used to have much more expansive listings of ratings, why they don't anymore is beyond me).

So we can't really compare a 24 spot to whichever spot BSG (new) is or how far it is below #20 for last week.

However if you can trust this site

http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/~springob/bsgratings.html

You can see just HOW FAR down the list they'd fall in comparison...

In fact for it's premiere on Sci Fi

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=2&id=30212

it only had a 2.6 which still might be just enough to nudge it onto exclusive cable tv top 50 programs...maybe...but isn't anywhere from what it appears on the lists and their ratings, to be in the top ten.

Does that bother you?

And here I thought people were saying it was great because of characterization and plot, not because of it's mass appeal (in fact there are those that say the more mass appeal a show has the less depth it has).
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2005, 09:57:48 pm »
On the otherhand, the premiere ratings are disputed by this site (as stated above as well for season 2 ratings)


http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/~springob/bsgratingss1.html

Which have it at 3.8 and 3.2 for it's premiere for the New BSG.  Still FAAAAR below what the original BSG was rated on it's premiere...BUT enough to perhaps put it in the top 50 of the cable shows.

However, as you can see it's veiwership has never put it close to #1, or even #24 if the numbers can be respected.

If it makes you any happier, the original BSG was beaten out in the ratings by one of Larsen's own creations if what I've read about the shows accredited to him are accurate...Six Dollar man made the top ten shows(I believe it is overall ratings) of the YEAR, something which the original BSG DID NOT do.  Also in that list in the late seventies are Mork and Mindy, Happy Days, and, of all things...Sixty Minutes.

Edit:  It does show that BSG is at the top of the ratings for the Sci Fi channel...but looking at their ratings in general...I don't think ABC, NBC, or CBS, or even Fox or the WB would be impressed with those stats of their line up.  Good for Sci-Fi...but I don't think for a major network.   Which is why Lost is on one of the Big Three, and BSG is on Sci-Fi.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2005, 06:48:06 am »
LOL... Dash, I could really care less about what you think about BSG.

I enjoy the hell out of the show.  I still have some problems with holes in the show, but over all, it is very well done.  Add to it that Larson not only endorses the show saying that that he thinks it is a better & more detailed vision of what he wanted to create, but he is also the consulting producer of the show.

Anyways, the ratings for the show in this day and age of 300+ cable channels is damn good.

TOS BSG was on back in the day of the 'big 3' and PBS. (I know it is hard to comprehend life without cable, but trust me, there was life with black and white TV's at one point also) 

So there was not really much of a choice on what to watch. (Friday & Saturday's primetime TV between 7-10pm only had, at max, 18 1-hour shows contending and you said it was rated at what? 24th?)

So you are pretty much comparing apples to oranges. 

And NBC (owner of SciFi channel) was impressed enough with its first season to consider taking it away from SciFi and putting it on NBC to improve their ratings.

Oh, and I need to add, I remembered incorrectly, the article I read said that Cartoon Network's "Adult Swim" is 3rd in the nation for advertising.  TNS BSG was 5th.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2005, 10:02:57 am »
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http://www.blast.net/hart/BG.htm


Why was the show cancelled however, afterall, even in todays forum with lowered expectation in the ratings game, #24 is respectable if not the best


"Finishing 24 for the season" is a deceptive number.  It matches with the number I remember Lorne Green giving, but ignores the fact that it finished the last half of the season consistently running 62 or 63 out of a total of 65.  (Yes, boys and girls, in the days before cable, there were that few regular shows on the US airwaves during any week.)

Why the ratings dropped so low is debated in the article, but -- Mr. Bennedict's ego aside -- consistent ratings in the bottom five is why the show was cancelled.

I did enjoy reading the article, however.   It explains a lot of what I see now when I watch reruns.   I remember watching Sheba say lines in the episode where Galactica is on fire and thinking, "Jeez!  Is she reading this off a piece of paper on the wall??!!"

Now I know she was!

What's described are some impossible situatons to work in.  I loved that show as a kid.  I wish things had worked out better for it and it had run longer.   

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2005, 10:11:10 am »
Which have it at 3.8 and 3.2 for it's premiere for the New BSG.  Still FAAAAR below what the original BSG was rated on it's premiere...BUT enough to perhaps put it in the top 50 of the cable shows.

Who cares?  It makes enough money to stay in production, and it has top-notch storytelling.   Loosen up and live a little.

Turn it on.  It won't bite, you know.  ;)

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2005, 03:04:50 pm »
On the otherhand, the premiere ratings are disputed by this site (as stated above as well for season 2 ratings)


http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/~springob/bsgratingss1.html

Which have it at 3.8 and 3.2 for it's premiere for the New BSG.  Still FAAAAR below what the original BSG was rated on it's premiere...BUT enough to perhaps put it in the top 50 of the cable shows.


You are compairing apples and oranges Dash.  During the time the original BSG aired there were only about ten or twenty stations including cable stations in the US.  Being that the original BSG aired on a major US network on a prime night time slot way back in 1977, it is only natural that the ratings were much higher.  The fact that Sci-Fi can post a 2.0+ rating is a big time hit for them, most of their other shows have a hard time getting above 1.5.

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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2005, 03:31:29 pm »
On the otherhand, the premiere ratings are disputed by this site (as stated above as well for season 2 ratings)


http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/~springob/bsgratingss1.html

Which have it at 3.8 and 3.2 for it's premiere for the New BSG.  Still FAAAAR below what the original BSG was rated on it's premiere...BUT enough to perhaps put it in the top 50 of the cable shows.


You are compairing apples and oranges Dash.  During the time the original BSG aired there were only about ten or twenty stations including cable stations in the US.  Being that the original BSG aired on a major US network on a prime night time slot way back in 1977, it is only natural that the ratings were much higher.  The fact that Sci-Fi can post a 2.0+ rating is a big time hit for them, most of their other shows have a hard time getting above 1.5.



Hijack. Also SciFi has made a Sequal to the D&D movie that will air on OCt. 15th.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2005, 03:33:10 pm »
Which have it at 3.8 and 3.2 for it's premiere for the New BSG.  Still FAAAAR below what the original BSG was rated on it's premiere...BUT enough to perhaps put it in the top 50 of the cable shows.

Who cares?  It makes enough money to stay in production, and it has top-notch storytelling.   Loosen up and live a little.

Turn it on.  It won't bite, you know.  ;)

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I take it you didn't read what I wrote in it's entirety, or you'd know I've tried.  You'd then also understand what I think is wrong with it.  In fact youd' understand I'm not saying it doesn't have good storytelling for those that it appeals too.  You'd understand the problems I think a majority of the rest of the audiences have with it...at least in a nutshell (I don't go into specifics).

But it seems people are so consumed with wanting to force others to think the new BSG is sooooo goooood that they have to defend it in every instance instead of saying what I've been saying the entire thread, it might be good for that minority that are really hardcore into it...but at the same time it can be really bad for those of us that are booooored to death by it. (and yes, I've given it a shot, and if you read my posts above, you'd see that I even know what's going on currently in the show).
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2005, 04:24:32 pm »

Hijack. Also SciFi has made a Sequal to the D&D movie that will air on OCt. 15th.

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Are you serious??  I think of myself as sort of a D&D purest and I shudder to think what Sci-Fi will do to D&D.  If they based it on the Drizzit books then I might be interested, but with Sci-Fi handling things and the fact that it is based on 3rd addition books I'm really scared.

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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2005, 05:46:47 pm »

Hijack. Also SciFi has made a Sequal to the D&D movie that will air on OCt. 15th.

Stephen


Are you serious??  I think of myself as sort of a D&D purest and I shudder to think what Sci-Fi will do to D&D.  If they based it on the Drizzit books then I might be interested, but with Sci-Fi handling things and the fact that it is based on 3rd addition books I'm really scared.



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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2005, 07:58:28 pm »

Hijack. Also SciFi has made a Sequal to the D&D movie that will air on OCt. 15th.

Stephen


Are you serious??  I think of myself as sort of a D&D purest and I shudder to think what Sci-Fi will do to D&D.  If they based it on the Drizzit books then I might be interested, but with Sci-Fi handling things and the fact that it is based on 3rd addition books I'm really scared.



As a heart attack. It will have Mark Dymond, Bruce payne & Clemency Burton Hill in It. D&D 2 Wrath of the Dragon God. http://scifi.com/dnd/

And I lied, It's October 8th.

BOT. Someone mentioned the Campiness earlier, But you got to remember what we had back then. CondorMan, The Greatest American Hero, there was plenty of Camp to go around.

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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2005, 08:18:34 pm »
Heh, I know how you feel Dash. I was just looking at the Troma Entertainment site, and thinking in my Nostalgic way, I can't believe I liked some of these films when I was a young Kid.

Condorman wasn't that bad at all though. It's just Campy. another one you might look into was an old Picture called HeartBeebs. It had that guy Latka from the old Taxi series playing a robot.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2005, 09:02:06 pm »
Here's one of my big beefs is that Sci-fi just wants to throw sex out there to sell their programs.  I watched the commentary on Earth Sea, and the director mentioned frequently "I envisioned it like so.... but the sci-fi guys came back and said I had to put more sex into it, and make things sexier." and then they compromised a bit.  I've heard this a lot, and it's obvious from watching Sci-fi channel productions that it's as close to a rock solid policy.  I'm not against sex, but in every instance in every situation?  C'mon.  It just gets a little rediculous and was one of my problems with the BSG premiere (although they took some of the folks jumping on eachother out of the rebroadcast network premiere I think, which made it play a bit better.  Still had the glowing spine, though. lol)

I think it's interesting to note, as said earlier, the main network took a look at it and thought about putting it in their lineup but PASSED on it.  Hmmm, couldn't even make a network who's trying to find a way to bolster it's lagging ratings.  Hmmmm.  Now everyone in under the sun is bringing out sci-fi (and boy, they all seem like clones of eachother) stuff, and BSG is still on cable only.  I'm not saying it isn't it doesn't have any redeaming values at all, but it could have, should have been better, and the fans, and the main actors deserved better (just where did they dig up those deck crew actors anyway?) in my opinion.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2005, 09:13:13 pm »
I'll be the first to admit, That I didn't care for The mini-series or the Show when It first came out. It was only a few months ago, when they did an all day Marathon, and there was nothing else on TV, that I sat down and watched season one frome start to finish, that It grew on me. There's still a few things I'm uncomfortable with, But I still watch It when I can remember.

You are right about one thing, Sex and Sci-Fi is not something that has to go hand in hand. One of my Favorite Films, The Day the Earth Stood Still, not only told a great Scifi story, But also to this Day resonates Politicly. Dem's clame It's a Libral show, Rep's claim It's a Conservative show; But I digress.

Look at John Carpenters the Thing. No sex, but a solid good Movie. Now don't get me wrong,I don't mind sex at all, Shoot, I have a HD full of the stuff, I just think It should be tempered at times.

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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2005, 09:21:33 pm »
But it seems people are so consumed with wanting to force others to think the new BSG is sooooo goooood that they have to defend it in every instance instead of saying what I've been saying the entire thread, it might be good for that minority that are really hardcore into it...

If you ask me, if there's any implication that there's a need to force others to think the new BSG is sooooo baaaaad (or boring), not too good a job is hiding it, but I'm likely wrong in this case, but in any case I will say this:  Infinate Diversity in Infinate Combinations; Not everyone will like it nor will everyone dislike it.  It's like with any other science fiction series, or even any series or movies or games at all.  You may be a FASA fan or love Adrias Sofia's stuff on Trek, but another may prefer SFB and/or Masao Okazaki's contribution to Trek: His SFM website.

If you also ask me, I believe a topic like this is a dead horse being beaten again and again.  Weren't there one or more forum threads concerning the popularity of the old and/or new BSG?  We all know our opinions of the show, we all understand.  Don't turn it into a battle where one tries to force his opponent to gulp down a certain belief that his opponent disagrees with.

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2005, 09:33:01 pm »
"Look at John Carpenters the Thing. No sex, but a solid good Movie. Now don't get me wrong,I don't mind sex at all, Shoot, I have a HD full of the stuff, I just think It should be tempered at times"

 Yes . But people where dieing horrible deaths through out the whole movie.

 Is this really better than people having sex?  People have sex. People like to have sex. Its part of who we are, and what we are.

 To deny it if favor of gratuitous violence. Is not what I would consider a healthy attitude.
 Horrible death & murder OK. Sex evil? :skeptic:

 ( And I just going to say this now, before somebody gets all carried away with them selves, I'm not in favor of all sex, more sex or porn quality sex.)

 You can't portray the human condition accurately with out it.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2005, 09:46:27 pm »
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2005, 09:58:23 pm »
Which have it at 3.8 and 3.2 for it's premiere for the New BSG.  Still FAAAAR below what the original BSG was rated on it's premiere...BUT enough to perhaps put it in the top 50 of the cable shows.

Who cares?  It makes enough money to stay in production, and it has top-notch storytelling.   Loosen up and live a little.

Turn it on.  It won't bite, you know.  ;)

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I take it you didn't read what I wrote in it's entirety, or you'd know I've tried.  

Of course I read it.  But I'm not sure that watching with the remote in your lap while you flip through channels really counts as "trying".  ;)

It's a matter of opinion, but I think trying to relegate it to "a tiny minority of hard core fans while the rest of the Western world finds it sooooo boring" is selling it a little short.  But we don't have to agree.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2005, 10:29:32 pm »
"Look at John Carpenters the Thing. No sex, but a solid good Movie. Now don't get me wrong,I don't mind sex at all, Shoot, I have a HD full of the stuff, I just think It should be tempered at times"

 Yes . But people where dieing horrible deaths through out the whole movie.

 Is this really better than people having sex? People have sex. People like to have sex. Its part of who we are, and what we are.

 To deny it if favor of gratuitous violence. Is not what I would consider a healthy attitude.
 Horrible death & murder OK. Sex evil? :skeptic:

 ( And I just going to say this now, before somebody gets all carried away with them selves, I'm not in favor of all sex, more sex or porn quality sex.)

 You can't portray the human condition accurately with out it.

I don't think anyone is saying it's evil, but good lord.  Did you count the number of times people were jumping all over eachother in the miniseries?  What did it add to the story, plot, and character development?  Couldn't what little development it added have been just as effective if they had broken to a more important scene leaving you knowing what was going on, rather than going into it?  Violence is find, sex is fine, but if you look as what the sci-fi network does with it's movies you realize that they want to pack as much sex into it as possible (I think sci-fi is actually secondary to sex, for a lot of the execs, personally).  Like I said, I dont' mind sex, but does it have to be crammed into every little nook and cranny that it can possibly be?  I had heard stories about the sci-fi channel folks before, and then after the Earthsea commentary on the DVD I know it's true that it's their main concern when producing a film, it seems.  So, here's the checklist:

Violence - OK
Sex - OK
Everything else under the sun (I watch a lot of foreign and indie films, so I've seen a lot ;)) - OK

Just moderate it so you can get on with the story, and if it doesn't fit or help the story along don't cram it in in the hopes that the teenage boys will get all tingly and give you better ratings, please. ;)

and as a ps, I can almost guarantee you that years from now, as I said earlier, folks will look back at even the new BSG and say "OMG, what's with that acting, and the effects, story.... it's so cheesy and lame"  Some of it is good, I love Olmos and was happy when I heard he was going to play Adama, but I personally feel more of it is just awful.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2005, 08:38:51 am »
Saw this article today...  It is pretty biased towards Galactica, so you may want to take it with a grain of salt.

Galactica’s Science Fiction Renaissance
Season 2 further evolves the groundbreaking series
September 28th 2005 12:38am | Posted by: Robert Falconer HNR Senior Editor

When a story unfolds over months, then years, the daily reports have a tendency to blur, especially when that story is a war. That’s the reality of today’s media. Perhaps it always has been.

Most nights, television shows you the latest battles; the block-by-block victories; the grief and the terrible images of carnage—eighteen children killed in a suicide bombing as they waited for candy and toys from American troops; the pain of those left behind.

Whether it’s war, natural disaster…or even the rape of a prisoner, it seems to be human proclivity that at some point we eventually grow complacent as the responsibilities of our daily lives once again overshadow the outside world.

But in the world of television drama, particularly where art imitates life, there exists the unique opportunity to freeze an issue…a moment…a widely held belief, and examine sides we might never have otherwise considered, all under the guise of an hour’s worth of “fictional entertainment.” And if it’s done right, you feel thoughtful without feeling bludgeoned.

You’ve probably heard it repeated ad nauseam, and it’s true: no genre is better equipped for oblique social commentary than science fiction. Tackling the thorny issues of policy and politics, war and religious extremism, life and death, it is – at its best – a way to view the microcosm of our society by journeying into the cosmos of our imaginations.

It’s like the old axiom about not seeing the forest for the trees: get back far enough, and you can more clearly see the big picture…all sides of it. Outer space is about as far back as you can get.

The original Star Trek did this in the late 1960s with its subtle and sometimes not so subtle observations on racism, the Vietnam War and other controversial topics. Yet while the series patted itself on the back for championing equality, it also too-often paraded females around in miniskirts and go-go boots.

Fortunately, many things have changed. Extraordinary as it may seem, a re-imagined series from the 1970s is turning the spotlight on the difficult issues of our 21st century, but doing so in a way that simultaneously blends in naturalistic situations and flawed, multidimensional characters. As with the best science fiction series of yesteryear, the thorny issues remain, but now they are rendered with a biting, sometimes even caustic reality devoid of operatic fantasy and decorative epaulets.

 Make no mistake; this isn’t your father’s Battlestar Galactica. But it just may be the Galactica that your father will appreciate, now that he’s a little more seasoned. At the end of 40-something minutes you’ll not be greeted with a simple, turgid, “everything’s right with the world” ending. Not here.
This is science fiction for those who have lived a while and understand that the world isn’t a sugarcoated utopia, nor is it ever likely to be. Events have far-reaching consequences and human beings make mistakes…lots of mistakes.

And while fans of the old show cry bollocks and feign righteous indignation, lamenting that the new Battlestar Galactica has traded bell-bottoms for body bags, they miss the point entirely.

This isn’t lukewarm farina for the narcotized masses. Season one of the new Galactica demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that war is a truly horrendous proposition and brought the ongoing consequences into our living rooms week after week, raw and unfiltered, as the ragtag fleet fought to survive against not only the Cylons, but their own weaknesses and frailties in the shadow of Armageddon. Moreover, as the human-designed Cylons returned to wreak havoc on their creators, the series’ mythology established in unequivocal terms that we humans are too often responsible for our own destiny.

By the same token, you don’t have to sleep on a bed of nails, gargle 30-weight or pour bourbon on your cornflakes in the morning to appreciate the series. As producer David Weddle told HNR Genre Editor, Michael Hinman earlier this year, “It is not hard to write light moments in the show. One of the episodes we wrote this season is actually a very upbeat show. We don't go out of our way to make the show dark. We try to keep the show as real as we can, to proceed from the set of circumstances that our characters find themselves in and allow events to unfold much as they would in our world.”

“This often means that for every good thing that happens, there is also something painful or traumatic,” Weddle adds. “Don't you find that to be true in your life? For every achievement, there is a setback, for every gain there is also a loss. This is not dark or pessimistic, it's life. We all struggle to come to terms with that, some of us more successfully than others—just like the characters of Battlestar.”
       

So there is more here than merely doom and gloom. Courage, bravery – and most importantly, hope – intermix in this broth, and though season two does dip further into the well of human proclivity, it also, reassuringly, shows the tender, heroic and spiritual side of our natures, too.

Call it a balanced, unvarnished view of the human condition in the 21st century.

       That said, season two opened with a bang. Leaving no quarter, no respite for the audience, episode 201, “Scattered” flung us into a world of physical and aural violence as Colonel Tigh reluctantly took command of the fleet, after the Boomer Cylon shot Adama in the chest at the end of the previous season.

The situation enabled the producers to explore the origins of Tigh’s weakness for women and drink, along with his early relationship with William Adama.

Like dominos, Adama’s recovery and Tigh’s command also set up a chain reaction of events that reverberated throughout the season, and enabled the producers to explore some weighty issues: military vs. civilian power; the accidental killing of innocents; and the necessity of trusting potential enemies in the service of the greater good.

Yet that was just the warm-up.

From there, Ron Moore, David Eick and the rest of the writing staff were diving headlong into the subject of abortion; the effects of delayed stress; the role and significance of the media; and, in a watershed moment for the series, the issue of prisoner rape in the pursuit of “intelligence,” a storyline still being hotly debated on Internet message boards at the time of this writing.
       

       Difficult questions. Uncomfortable answers. Battlestar Galactica has elevated the anxiety of world events above most of its competitors, shows like 24, The Wire, and the presently defunct Star Trek franchise. It is the most unyieldingly post-9/11 series on television, having eschewed humanist soliloquies, putty-headed aliens and planet-of-the-week stories in favor of a context that anyone familiar with current events can grasp.

Altogether, presented as fiction, it makes for compelling television. Here, daily reports don’t blur together, wars aren’t presented as statistics on a ticker, and those who are left behind must endure the greatest pain of all: survival.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2005, 06:52:21 am »
Well since I don't have TV. (I refuse to pay $100 to install the cable and another $80 a month for the service) I just got the New Battle Star Galactica Season one on DVD....which included the Mini series  Where in the FRACK have I been  This show ROCKS!!!!!

I guess what I like about it, is the Drama aspect of the show.... and not to forget. The lovely looking lady's ;D


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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2005, 07:31:50 am »
*makes note to buy that*
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« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2005, 06:29:51 pm »
Psst.... Netflix got it.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2005, 03:01:07 pm »
Here are the BSG ratings so far for the second season:

"Scattered" - 2.6
"Valley of Darkness" - 2.0
"Fragged" - 2.0
"Resistance" - 1.9
"The Farm" - 2.0
"Home, Part 1" - 2.1
"Home, Part 2" - 2.1
"Final Cut" - 2.0
"Flight of the Phoenix" - 1.9
"Pegasus" - 2.0

Now, before anyone starts to poo-poo the ratings, the most important number to note is how the show placed when it comes to its network's ratings.  BSG scored #1 overall for the first part of sci-fi's season.  That means of all shows on the sci-fi channel, Battlestar Galactica came in at #1.  So long as it continues to draw in more numbers than other shows, it will remain in production and it will be a 'hit'. 

Now, if NBC picks it up next season as is being rumored, and it continues to only pull in 1.9 to 2.6 numbers, it won't last.  If it jumps up to 10-17, it'll last for a few years (17 being the highest share any show got last week on broadcast - on cable the highest show of any was at 6.5).

Sci-fi doesn't have that big a corner on the market.  They make decent money if a show pulls in 1.8 to 2.5 on a regular basis, they are very happy.  Not to mention that these were summer broadcast shows on a Friday night.  Traditionally the sci-fi numbers pick up better during the advent of the winter season in January. 
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2005, 03:03:07 pm »
So I suppose the verdict for those who are BSG fans of the current show should hope it stays on Sci-Fi instead of going to NBC (as it's at the top of the ratings for Sci-Fi so might stay around longer?)
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2005, 03:14:23 pm »
Not really, the big networks still have a big pull in and of themselves.  With a good timeslot, and decent advertising, BSG could pull in those big rankings and end up MORE survivable. 

Then again, Sci-Fi posted their BEST 3rd Quarter ratings in this past cycle, and BSG gets a good part of the credit for that.  As long as it's leading the Sci-Fi channel into better ratings, it will continue to be around. 

Most of the argument here on ratings centered on overall, but what the advertisers REALLY want to know are key demos, especially 18-49 males and viewers 25-54.  In those key demographics, Sci-Fi (and specifically BSG) had higher ratings than shows on WB and UPN in those time-slots. 

Those are the numbers that count because those are the numbers that advertisers use to pump dollars into the network for show advertising.   
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2005, 04:23:21 pm »
So I suppose the verdict for those who are BSG fans of the current show should hope it stays on Sci-Fi instead of going to NBC (as it's at the top of the ratings for Sci-Fi so might stay around longer?)

Well, actually I would prefer that BSG survive on Sci-Fi rather than sruvive on NBC.  This is for selfish reasons.

Much as I hate the Sci-Fi split-season philosophy, they do one thing that I like very much and that is that they repeat their prime-time lineup as soon as it concludes.  This makes life much easier for me as Friday nights can be quite hectic at my house.  On Sci-Fi I don't have to worry about being home to view or tape anything since I know all the shows will repeat (and thankfully, the kiddies will be asleep when they do repeat.)

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2005, 10:48:55 am »
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With a good timeslot, and decent advertising

When was the last time a sci-fi show got any of that?  I think it will be less likely to get any of that given that it's an already existing entity.  They will likely shove it into a time slot that needs a little boosting, thinking that "Hey all of it's fans will follow it wherever we put it".  Then they'll preempt it, change the time slot, change the slot, change the slot, and then finally cancel it.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2005, 03:14:28 pm »
If BSG goes to NBC, I'd be more concerned with the show being "watered down" to avoid offending sponsors.

I watch BECAUSE it has an edge, not because the effects are kewl....

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2005, 09:34:58 pm »
I watch BECAUSE it has an edge, not because the effects are kewl....

Couldn't agree more.... when was the last time you saw a ship's XO vent 100 men into space b/c if he didn't, the fire would consume & kill even more people?

Certainly isn't a Star Trek series, they would have saved everyone as the USS Lollipop continued beating anything it encountered thru technobabble....
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2005, 09:38:48 pm »
I watch BECAUSE it has an edge, not because the effects are kewl....

Couldn't agree more.... when was the last time you saw a ship's XO vent 100 men into space b/c if he didn't, the fire would consume & kill even more people?

Certainly isn't a Star Trek series, they would have saved everyone as the USS Lollipop continued beating anything it encountered thru technobabble....

You know, with all the casualties they keep taking, they really ought to think about updating that 57,000 survivors number they give at the start of every episode.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2005, 11:30:28 pm »
I watch BECAUSE it has an edge, not because the effects are kewl....

Couldn't agree more.... when was the last time you saw a ship's XO vent 100 men into space b/c if he didn't, the fire would consume & kill even more people?

Certainly isn't a Star Trek series, they would have saved everyone as the USS Lollipop continued beating anything it encountered thru technobabble....

You know, with all the casualties they keep taking, they really ought to think about updating that 57,000 survivors number they give at the start of every episode.

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UM, THEY DO.  It's updated every episode in the second season.  Take a close look, count the number of dead you see and you'll find the number goes down AT LEAST by that much for the next episode (usually a few more since some die off-screen).  Also, you'll see in the Pegasus episode, that number went up by almost two thousand (the crew of the Pegasus numbers about that).
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2005, 06:47:45 am »
Yep, jumped from 47,853 in episode 9 to 49,605 in episode 10.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2005, 09:33:08 am »
UM, THEY DO.  It's updated every episode in the second season.  Take a close look, count the number of dead you see and you'll find the number goes down AT LEAST by that much for the next episode (usually a few more since some die off-screen). 

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Top notch!  I hadn't noticed, but now that I know I'll watch more carefully.


On another note, last season you were posting how many vipers and raptors the fleet had.  They seem to have lost a lot of both this season, and at the end of last season when they engaged the base ship.  Is there a storyline explanation for how they replace these  (some manufacturing freightor in the fleet?) or is the Galactica having to limp along with less and less as the days go by?  I'm guessing the mining ships we hear about are letting them rplace the munitions they keep having to use.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2005, 02:54:30 pm »
They engaged and destroyed a basestar with no losses. (they used a raptor piloted by Boomer, Racetrack, and a human/cylon transponder to get in & drop a nuke in the middle of it)

The CAG roster (on scifi's BSG page) hasn't been updated since episode 110. (35 vipers, 23 down for repair & 21 pilots) But the episode 209 showed well over 30 vipers engaged in the cylon turkey shoot. (and the begining of that episode shows a viper being tagged as 'unserviceable')

No idea if this is a SNAFU or if they will explain it.  I know one class of trainees was graduated as it was covered by an episode.

The appearance of the Peggy will obviously increase that number....

Never did know the number of Raptors aboard, but we know 2 were destroyed in Kobol's Last Gleaming.  So they had at least 3 at one point.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2005, 03:02:17 pm »
They engaged and destroyed a basestar with no losses. (they used a raptor piloted by Boomer, Racetrack, and a human/cylon transponder to get in & drop a nuke in the middle of it)

My error.  I said basestar and I meant base.  I was thinking of the episode where Adama has Starbuck work up an attack strategy.  Several of her decoy vipers get chewed up, including the background character of Chuckles.  I'll have to watch it again, but it seemed like there were a lot of vipers that got killed there.

Then Starbuck lost her viper with the trainees when she got shot down on the dusty planet.

Maybe it's just perception and they haven't lost as many as I think, but it seems like they should be down several.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2005, 03:23:50 pm »
Ah, yeah, they did lose some folks in that one.  I am sure SAR stuff was off screen.  I doubt any pilots lived, but don't think they had any choice other than to recover what they could of the vipers.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2005, 03:19:32 am »
The last count I did had them placed as somewhere around 30 vipers total if there's only 2-3 being unserviceable.  They've been cannabilizing those for spare parts (hence the need for the new scout-ship). 

Yeah, they've been doing their best to stay consistent, but on occasion they make a few mistakes.  At least they do their best...


Damn, three more months until Adama wipes the floor with Cain. 
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2005, 10:26:18 am »
I cannot wait to see that witch bite the bullet.

I just watched "Pegasus" last night with my roommate and gf, and we all cheered when the "Cylon Interrogator" got slammed. It was just one of those great moments in TV, I think, when the Chief and Helo put aside their...hostilities.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2005, 06:49:10 pm »
I cannot wait to see that witch bite the bullet.

I just watched "Pegasus" last night with my roommate and gf, and we all cheered when the "Cylon Interrogator" got slammed. It was just one of those great moments in TV, I think, when the Chief and Helo put aside their...hostilities.

 I personally think, getting a bolt in the side of the head, was too quick ,for that piece of garbage.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2005, 11:19:27 pm »
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I personally think, getting a bolt in the side of the head, was too quick ,for that piece of garbage.

Indeed.

I was also fond of Baltar telling the guards to get out when he was brought in to interrogate the Number Six model.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2005, 12:45:13 am »
The look of shock on the guards face was priceless.

So, yeah. Helo and the Chief get +100 points from me. And you're right, it was a bit too quick for scum like that. But it was awesome how they zoomed the camera in on the bolt. Priceless.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2005, 01:19:38 am »
I like the whole episode. It has shown the side of human nature we try to forget about or don't like to even think about. And shows why the Cylons believe why we need to be exterminated.

 There is nothing in our history, or human nature, that indicates, we will not want revenge, and try to exterminate them first.

 If you look at it in the right perspective, we are both machines. One biological the other a mix. And when they show both views, of the conflict. The lines between good and evil, moral and immoral, become blurred. And become a matter of perspective.

 Both sides really think they are fighting for survival. And their cause is just.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica Recording Alert for 9/23
« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2005, 04:48:08 pm »


 Both sides really think they are fighting for survival. And their cause is just.


Which truly is an important facet of real wars...very few people actually think of themselves as truly evil...
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