Topic: STOP THE PRESSES !!!!!! MP learned to BASH

[ModelsPlease]

Yup Hell has frozen over it's true I have learned to bash  !!!! My thanks to Antivyrus who made it all possible. SO here's my first ship........

U.S.S. LEXINGTON

U.S.S. Lexington NCC-1709
Constitution-class Mk III
Owner : United Federation of Planets
Class :Heavy Command Cruiser
In service : 2285
Out of service : 2290
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In 2285 it became evident to the Federation, the need for a dedicated command cruiser. While most Constitution-class
cruisers were being de-commissioned, the USS Lexington was receiving the first of the her refits toward this goal.
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Author : ModelsPlease
model design: Paramount
textures: Greg Strong AKA -L B-
mesh: Greg Strong AKA -L B-
Kitbash : ModelsPlease

Thanks to : Paramount, Rick Knox, Lord Bile and Antivyrus for showing me how to bash.

http://www.battleclinic.com/docks/files/dist/index.php/file,5ac29c07293311580cc5463de16adcbc.zip

Comments welcome. It's the only way I'll get better.
Enjoy !!!!!
-MP

[Antivyrus]

Lookin good there dude
though I think you should still scale those nacelles down just wee bit more  but then thats just me

[Mackie]

thats a very good start m8, congrats
you might want to browse around here http://www.shipschematics.net/ for some easy designs to bash (you propably already knew the site but still) to hone your sk1llz

[Sandman3D]

Cool!!

I do agree with AV...maybe 15% reduction or so should do it.

[S33K100]

Very nice variant, not bad for a first bash, though I agree with the sentiments about the bloated nacelles, the pylons look too flimsy compared to the great bulk of the nacelles.

[Captain Pierce]

Beware, the secret is unleashed... 

[OlBuzzard]

Oh NO !

(Takes deep sigh )

The galaxy will never be the same now !

J/K Bud !

Good job !

 

[ModelsPlease]

Ya might wanna check page 4 of this thread 

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163359759.0.html

[Starforce2]

and the first thing ya do is another damn connie

Does look kinda interesting however.

[ModelsPlease]

and the first thing ya do is another damn connie

Does look kinda interesting however.

LOL,  BTW did you see the Unique Ship Thread I found 2 I thought you might be interested in.

[Dizzy]

Nice, MP.

I dunno why, but the 1st thing I think of when I see that ship is the... 80's...

[Terradyhne]

sorry MP i think those SY71/1-5BH nacelles won't fit the Constitution class well

original nacelles dimensions:
Length:154,81 m
Width:12,63 m
Height:18,32 m

SY71/1-5BH nacelles dimensions:
Length:177,51 m
Width:26,84 m
Height:17,66 m

and thats one thing i don't like on the most Kitbashes some of the parts are stupidly sized to fit other parts that they never really do
but this bash is a good idea only the nacelles are a bit wrong in there dimensions 

[Centurus]

Nice one MP but remember i havew the Connie Mark VII in production

And I built the Mark 6, a.k.a. Resurrection Refit.  :-D

I'm still a mediocre kitbasher around these parts, but I'm slowly getting better.  But still, gotta tone down those nacelles if you insist on keeping them. 

Let's see what ya come up with.  That reminds me, gotta get back to work on the Cobalt (my latest bash), and no, this time, it's not a Connie.  Fed yes, Connie no.

[Major A Payne]

Interesting design MP. A good blend of TMP aspects and late TMP nacelle design. I think the nacelles do look a bit chunky, but still. It all adds to the feel and makes the design unique in its own right. 

[ModelsPlease]

This is where I got the idea from ..............

www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/heavycruiser_louvois.jpg

I'll try to re-adjust the nacelles, but I've always dug the design. Thanks for all the support guys !

-MP

[Mr_Tricorder]

This is where I got the idea from ..............

www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/heavycruiser_louvois.jpg

I'll try to re-adjust the nacelles, but I've always dug the design. Thanks for all the support guys !

-MP

In that case, you should probably replace the saucer with an Excelsior saucer.

About the nacelles:  Notice that, on the schematics, the nacelles are about the same height as the saucer and that the bottom of the nacelles are lined up with the center of the saucer.

[Centurus]

With the description of the nacelle placement Mr_Tricorder stated, that means the pylons will have to become shorter in appearance.  I don't mean actually making the pylons shorter, but you'll have to lower the nacelles down more onto the pylons. 

[ModelsPlease]

Ok I fixed the nacelles and updated the links. I also created a visual history of where I was going with this design.

[ModelsPlease]

Thanks Bro, I have not yet begun to bash muaaaaaaahahahaha 

[Mackie]

hrmmmm quite nice indeed, looks like i will have to ramp up my production rate
btw MP I just added you to my MNS list, pop online sometime so we can have a chat about kitbashes or alternatively, boobies

[ModelsPlease]

hrmmmm quite nice indeed, looks like i will have to ramp up my production rate
btw MP I just added you to my MNS list, pop online sometime so we can have a chat about kitbashes or alternatively, boobies

  You bet, I like them boobies LOL. Seriously though I'd love to talk bash with you Mack. See ya on MSN.

[OlBuzzard]

Thanks Bro, I have not yet begun to bash muaaaaaaahahahaha 

I told ya the galaxy would never be safe again !

 

 

[ModelsPlease]

Thanks Bro, I have not yet begun to bash muaaaaaaahahahaha 

I told ya the galaxy would never be safe again !

 

 

LOL tell me about it. although MP you do know i have a small wish list namely the Hays Class drednought

Get me a pic and I'll give it a shot.

[S33K100]

GYAH!!! I've been blinded by the sheer awfulness of the Hays class DN, in revenge I'm gonna blind everyone else aswell:

[ModelsPlease]

Yikes !!!! A sovereign and Dauntless bash ? Ugh definately not my style but if ya really want it I'll add it to my list. I'm gonna need some Jack and Coke to inspire this one......Maybe I'll try it on the weekend LOL 

[[ISC]Phaser]

so is there a tutorial on how to bash out there?

[S33K100]

Not really, just practice, learn to use whatever program you have chosen and then think of a design you want to bash and start re-arranging the pieces.

[Mackie]

Lightwave is the only way to go 

[[ISC]Phaser]

i have photoshop and 3dmax..

[ModelsPlease]

I use Milkshape 3d 1.7.5.  I honestly didn't quite understand the program or how to use it, but a friend took the time to explain it to me and in just a few hours I was off and running. Actually the same thing happened to me when I was learining to texture. SO I'll say it again........

Thanks to F_W and GAFY for teaching me PSP8 and how to texture. And Antivyrus for teaching me how to use Milklshape. And all of the community for inspiration and friendship 

[Mr_Tricorder]

so is there a tutorial on how to bash out there?

i have photoshop and 3dmax..

Here's what I typed up in another thread about kitbashing in 3ds max.  (I've never actually really kitbashed before, but I know a good deal about 3ds max and I know some people found this helpful.)

Kitbashing is pretty easy too.  Select the sections of the ships you want, detach them from their ships, and attach them to each other.  I know that these directions are kind of vague

can you please elaborate, i'm a dumbass so please explain in terms a idiot can understand?
thank you

Ok, here's how you do it.

SETTING UP:  Import the ships you want to bash (I'm assuming you already have the import/export plugins already installed), delete the hardpoints, and move one of the ships off to the side so they aren't overlapping anymore (leave the one you're using the main hull from in the center to make things easier).

DELETING PARTS:  Select a ship.  Select the Modify tab on the panel on the right side of the screen (it's the second tab from the left).  Click the Edit Polygon button (the square in-between the triangle and the cube) and highlight all of the polygons on the section you want to delete (if the polygons don't turn red, hit F2.  This will make selecting the right polygons easier).  Click on the Delete button in the Modify panel.  A dialog box should appear asking if you want to delete the isolated vertices (if this doesn't happen, don't worry about it.)  Select "yes".  The selected section should now be deleted.

MOVING PARTS:  Follow the same steps for deleting parts, only instead of clicking Delete, Click on Detatch.  A dialog box will appear asking you what you want to name the new object.  The default name should be fine since this object is going to be attached to your ship soon.  Use the Move and Rotate buttons in the top toolbar to place and orient the parts however you want them.  TIP:  right-click on the Move button to bring up a coordinates box.  This box shows the values of the x,y, and z coordinates of the "centerpoint" of your object (CAUTION:  the "centerpoint" may not be in the center of your object.  Don't worry, it doesn't need to be.  Just adjust according to what looks right.)  You can move the object with this box either by assigning new coordinates or by typing in the number of units that the part needs to move in a certain direction (for example, if your object is at x=10 and you want to move it to the right 15 units, you could either type 15 in the left box or 5 in the right box).  This will also work for rotating objects too, just keep in mind that you will be working with degrees instead of coordinates for rotation.

ADJUSTING PARTS:  You may need to scale some ship parts to make them larger or smaller so they look right.  Next to the Rotate button on the top toolbar, there is a Scale button.  It should look like a square with a smaller square inside it.  For this one.  Right click on this button to bring up the same kind of box that you brought up when moving the parts.  In the field on the right side, it should say 100%.  Replace the 100 with the percent value to resize the part (example, if you want to double the size of the part, type 200.  If you want to shrink it to half its size, type 50).  If you want to scale the part only across one axis (you want to make the part fatter, skinnier, deeper, shallower, taller, or shorter) then click on the scale button and hold down the left mouse button.  A drop, down list of different scale buttons should appear.  Select the one that looks like one horizontal rectangle and one verticle rectangle that intersect in the bottom left corner.  This will let you scale all three axes independently of each other.  Also, if you need to make finer adjustments, select the Vertex (the picture of the dots) button in the Modify panel on the right side of the screen.  This should cause all of the vertices in the selected object to show up as blue dots.  Highlight the vertices you want to adjust and use Move, Rotate, and Scale to adjust them how you want to.

ATTACHING PARTS:  After you have finished moving all of your ship parts into position, it is time to put your kitbash together.  Select the main hull of you ship.  In the modify panel, click on the button that says Attach.  Click on all of the parts that you want to attach to the ship.  Hit escape when you are finished to deselect the Attach button.  Delete any extra ship parts by selecting them and hitting delete.  Now, the only thing on the screen should by your kitbashed ship exactly as you want it to look.  Select it, and then click on the Vertex button in the Modify panel.  Highlight all of the vertices.  In the Modify panel, you should see a button that says "weld" and next to it should be a field that says 0.1.  Change the 0.1 to a 0.001 and click "weld".  Your, kitbash should now be ready for Hardpoints and Damage points.  If you need help with adding those, please respond.  I have to go to work now, so I'm stopping here.

I just noticed a mistake in my instructions.

...  You can move the object with this box either by assigning new coordinates or by typing in the number of units that the part needs to move in a certain direction (for example, if your object is at x=10 and you want to move it to the right 15 units, you could either type 15 in the left box or 5 in the right box). ...

Just ignore my example.  It's wrong.
This box that I'm talking about should look something like this:  (don't worry about the numbers; I'm making them up.)
x=10    x=(empty box)
y=12    y=(empty box)
z=2      z=(empty box)

If you want to move the object to the right 15 units, replace the x=10 with x=25 (not 15) OR you could type 15 (not 5) in the empty box for x (since you're moving the object 15 units in the positive direction along the x axis.  It pays to listen in math class, doesn't it  ).
If you wanted to move the object 2.5 units back (toward the rear of the ship), then you should either replace y=12 with y=9.5 OR type -2.5 in the empty box for y.

This sounded confusing to me while I was typing it, so I'm not sure if you can understand what I am trying to tell you.  Let me know whether or not this makes sense.

I hope this helps.

[[ISC]Phaser]

thanks a ton Mr_Tricorder 

yes if ya have the time to explain the hardpoints and damage points please clue me in...

thanks

p.s ur  tut is awsome i just bashed my first model ..

[Dukrat]

*Wishes he could force himself to just bash a couple connies*

I am cursed by my own determination to make something very different and it usally ends up looking..... Out of place.

[Dukrat]

Hey I just relized that MP wants us all to stop mutilating ships, so he can do them all 

[ModelsPlease]

Hey I just relized that MP wants us all to stop mutilating ships, so he can do them all 

Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssh you ruin my master plan muaaaaaaaaaaahaha. J/K. Mean while AV is probably thinking
" Why did I ever teach him how to use that thing ". And F_W is thinking "Oooooooooooo now I can REALLY put him to work ".And for sure Mani's thinking " Thank you Jesus, now F_W won't keep me chained to my puter anymore."

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Yup Hell has frozen over it's true I have learned to bash  !!!!

Well, that certainly exceeds my abilities......... 

Fine ship too.

[Starforce2]

MP did you get that download I sent you to work? The Camel textures?

[ModelsPlease]

Nope, it won't D/L what ship are they for ? Also did you get my last PM ? I still can't get to the model 

[Starforce2]

you need to press free and then wait  a few secounds (there's a counter) unless you're on a banned proxy or something. As for that sov, there is an option to extract to a folder, check options or something, I forget where it is.

[Starforce2]

any luck?

[ModelsPlease]

Nope. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr  .

[Starforce2]

what error message is it giving you? All you need to do when you click the link is scroll down and press free, then it will make you wait X seconds before giving you the link to the file to click?? Don't get why it aint working.

[ModelsPlease]

what error message is it giving you? All you need to do when you click the link is scroll down and press free, then it will make you wait X seconds before giving you the link to the file to click?? Don't get why it aint working.

I DO click free and then I wait and wait and wait and zzzzzzzzzzzz er um wait and then...............nothing