Topic: Trouble logging in to D2 (Read 7909 times)

Clark Kent · « **on:** September 10, 2005, 03:20:25 pm »

I read the how to's list, but when I go to the dynaverse II login I get the message "A firewall has been detected or you are not connected to the internet."
I am most certainly connected to the internet and my firewall software has been set to allow OP to have full internet access. What am I doing wrong?

Bonk · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2005, 03:24:03 pm »

Turn off the firewall dammit!

Or allow pings, open ports 2300-2400 and 47624, and give the directplay helper the appropriate permissions as well as OP.

And for the love of God do not run Zonealarm and the Windows firewall simultaneously...

edit: sorry if I was short, we just get this a lot... its not as simple as just setting your firewall to allow OP access, and even if you do get your firewall set properly it can only introduce lag in multiplayer play and increase the likelyhood of dropping from missions and bugging things up in general...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2005, 03:38:40 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on September 10, 2005, 03:24:03 pm

Turn off the firewall dammit!

Or allow pings, open ports 2300-2400 and 47624, and give the directplay helper the appropriate permissions as well as OP.

And for the love of God do not run Zonealarm and the Windows firewall simultaneously...

edit: sorry if I was short, we just get this a lot... its not as simple as just setting your firewall to allow OP access, and even if you do get your firewall set properly it can only introduce lag in multiplayer play and increase the likelyhood of dropping from missions and bugging things up in general...

Jebus bonk, you need a hug...
And a ukraining prostitute...
I'll mail one to you immediatealy after our hug...
I'm running McAfee firewall etc etc, I'm not seeing an option to simply shut the firewall down, and am unsure as to how to open up those ports- what do I put for the program , and can I open all those ports in one port configuration panel?
These firewalls are spiffy- only partially work, and stop you from doing anything cool on the internet.
<hugs bonk>
<strokes bonk's hair>

It's ok Bonk, I'm here for you...

Bonk · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2005, 04:04:57 pm »

Thanks for the hug Clark, now let go, ok...

I don't run the new McAfee stuff myself, you should find an option to disable the firewall somehere in the McAfee Central thingy as I recall... or perhaps you can disable and then exit it from the icon in the "system tray" (in the taskbar by the clock at the lower right). Definitely not familiar enough with the McAfee Firewall to be able to help with allowing pings or opening port ranges though...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2005, 04:19:12 pm »

Damn man, you have some hard nipples... and...
do you work out?
I exited the entire Mcafee thing from the task bar, and OP still tells that that It's detected a firewall or I'm not connected to the internet.

Bonk · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2005, 04:23:38 pm »

Quote from: Clark Kent on September 10, 2005, 04:19:12 pm

Damn man, you have some hard nipples... and...
do you work out?
I exited the entire Mcafee thing from the task bar, and OP still tells that that It's detected a firewall or I'm not connected to the internet.

ewww, stop that!

Just exiting the taskbar icon will not do it, you must use that icon to disable it (right click it and disable the desired item), then exit.. as I recall...

I remember a friend having problems with this before, came down to uninstalling it... you might find the McAfee firewall listed seperately in the Add/Remove programs item in the control panel, then you could use the windows firewall when not playing SFC online...

Here is the manual for the McAfee Personal Firewall (Plus - the link to the non-plus pdf on their site is dead, but I suspect it is the same manual...), is that the one you are running?

http://download.mcafee.com/products/manuals/en-us/MPF_UserGuide_2006.pdf

edit: also, read this thread: http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163359567.0.html

edit#2: also, on first glance at that manual, you could just set the security level to "Open" while playing OP than restore it to wherever it was...

do so by:

Quote

1 Right-click the McAfee icon in the Windows system tray, point to Personal
Firewall, then select Options.
2 Click the Security Settings icon.
3 Set the security level by moving the slider to the desired level.
The security level ranges from Lockdown to Open:
...

And next time, RTFMS!!!!

Riskyllama · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2005, 04:39:24 pm »

i dont know if it was mentioned elsewhere or already tried...but did he do the directory server thingy?

Bonk · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2005, 04:50:45 pm »

Quote from: Riskyllama on September 10, 2005, 04:39:24 pm

i dont know if it was mentioned elsewhere or already tried...but did he do the directory server thingy?

Duh whoops, I keep forgetting...

Quote from: Bonk on September 10, 2005, 04:23:38 pm

edit: also, read this thread: http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163359567.0.html

It is linked in that thread I linked above.

Thanks Riskyllama!

Clark Kent · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2005, 04:54:45 pm »

Yeah, been to that thread and already installed the server thingy prior to this issue. Also, do I need a gamespy account to get this to work? If so, then I may have some trouble, since every time I try to log in to gamespy it says I don't have an account, but I get automated reposnes that I've already created an account everytime I try to make a new one.

Bonk · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:02:09 pm »

Quote from: Clark Kent on September 10, 2005, 04:54:45 pm

Yeah, been to that thread and already installed the server thingy prior to this issue. Also, do I need a gamespy account to get this to work? If so, then I may have some trouble, since every time I try to log in to gamespy it says I don't have an account, but I get automated reposnes that I've already created an account everytime I try to make a new one.

Phew, glad you already saw that...

Yes, you will need a Gamespy account, they've been screwed up for about 2 years on their accounts now... something about proirity on nickmnames for paying customers, even if you already had that nickname... I now have six different gamespy accounts on six different e-mail accounts... just two more and I'll have one fo each SFC empire...lol...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:04:28 pm »

I wonder if that might be the weak spot then since I haven't been able to log in to gamespy. how long might this take?

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #11 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:08:05 pm »

Only a few minutes....you can sign up for free...or go delux for 20 bucks IIRC.....

Clark Kent · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:10:11 pm »

It's been mroe than a few minutes. Not sure I want to pay for an account with inferior service like this.

Bonk · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:11:16 pm »

The gamespy login problem will persist unless you use a different e-mail address than the existing bugged one... to create a new gamespy account.

The gamespy account issue is not be the reason for your firewall message however...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:15:28 pm »

Riskyllama suggested it could be some sort of firewall setting in my DSL modem, since I have that plugged into the wireless router, which my Dell connects to wirelessly.
Man, waht a pain...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #15 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:18:50 pm »

the new account doesn't seem to work either.

Bonk · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:20:26 pm »

Yes, you'll need to establish that your DSL modem is not running a firewall, if so change it, also you will need to forward the appropriate ports to your client PC at your wireless router, also make sure the router is accepting pings from the wan side...

Bonk · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:21:35 pm »

Quote from: Clark Kent on September 10, 2005, 05:18:50 pm

the new account doesn't seem to work either.

The new gamespy account will not make a difference if you are getting a firewall error.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:22:12 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on September 10, 2005, 05:20:26 pm

Yes, you'll need to establish that your DSL modem is not running a firewall, if so change it, also you will need to forward the appropriate ports to your client PC at your wireless router, also make sure the router is accepting pings from the wan side...

ANd I have no idea how to do that...
I yearn for your hardened nipples once more

Bonk · « **Reply #19 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:22:58 pm »

What is the make and model for both your DSL modem and router?

Clark Kent · « **Reply #20 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:28:36 pm »

The Router is an Apple Airport Extreme Base station
The modem isa Motorola , name unknown, model # E1016A

Bonk · « **Reply #21 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:34:24 pm »

Firstly, make sure you have the latest updates http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/

now lemme find the manual and read it...

Crap, there doesnt appear to be a single manual but rather info spread out over a bunch of image rich "friendly" webpages...

http://search.info.apple.com/?search=Go&lr=lang_en&kword=&q=AirPort%20Extreme

Clark Kent · « **Reply #22 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:43:01 pm »

4.2 update for AEBS is buggy when trying to work with older (like 5 year old) wireless cards, so I have to stay with 4.1 since I am trying to run a couple of older wireless cards on the network.

Bonk · « **Reply #23 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:45:50 pm »

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107432

Oh gawd... most normal routers have an embedded webserver for administration that you can use a normal web-browser to access. You have the CD to install this administration app?

This product is billed as "Extremely powerful and easy to set up and use" ... a little too easy methinks...

I was wondering if it might just be a "dumb hub", but no such luck, the specs page indicates it has a NAT firewall, we need to get to that...
http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/specs.html

I gotta go out in half an hour... but I'll keep digging till then...

Bonk · « **Reply #24 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:49:08 pm »

Apple has four pages of manuals on the AirPort Extreme

http://search.info.apple.com/?search=Go&lr=lang_en&kword=kmanual&q=AirPort%20Extreme

Downloading pdfs over my 31.2k dial-up connection now...

I bet they have lots of prettty pictures and no helpful information.

For reference, this is how it is done right: http://www.linksys.com

Bonk · « **Reply #25 on:** September 10, 2005, 05:59:37 pm »

Quote

Configuring the Base Station
The AirPort Setup Assistant provides complete configuration options for most AirPort
networks.
For advanced settings, you can use AirPort Admin Utility (in Applications/Utilities) to
configure your AirPort Extreme Base Station. You can use AirPort Admin Utility to do
the following:
• Configure your AirPort network, including changing the network name and
password and specifying whether users need a password to join your network.
• Change the AirPort Extreme Base Station name and password.
• Set advanced security settings, like Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA).
• Enter the TCP/IP settings for your AirPort Extreme Base Station.
• Set up the way Internet access is provided to computers on the AirPort network.
• Set up multiple base stations on a single AirPort network.
Note: If your base station does not support PoE, by default it is set to use the Internet
Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) and Network Address Translation (NAT) to
share a single IP address. If your base station supports PoE, by default it is set up as a
bridge, and the “Distribute IP address” checkbox is deselected in the Network pane of
AirPort Admin Utility.

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/AirPortExtremeBaseStationSetupGuide.pdf

Bonk · « **Reply #26 on:** September 10, 2005, 06:00:45 pm »

Quote

Important: If you use AirPort Admin Utility instead of the AirPort Setup Assistant to
configure your base station for the first time, you may be asked for a password. The
initial password for the AirPort Extreme Base Station is public.

See the document “Designing AirPort Extreme Networks,” or “AirPort Networks for
Windows,” located on the AirPort CD and at www.apple.com/airportextreme, for indepth
information on designing and setting up your AirPort network using the AirPort
Setup Assistant and AirPort Admin Utility.

Bonk · « **Reply #27 on:** September 10, 2005, 06:01:58 pm »

Downloading that manual now...

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/DesigningAirPortExtremeNetworksforWindows.pdf

33% dowloaded... should probably look at this one too:

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Designing_AirPort_Extreme_Networks_v3.4.pdf

Though I thought 4.2 was the latest, perhaps this is the manual we want:

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/AirPort_Extreme_Base_Station_Setup_Guide_v4.2.pdf (doesnt mention design in the title though...)

Bonk · « **Reply #28 on:** September 10, 2005, 06:14:21 pm »

I gotta go (going to see hot-air ballons at night...

)...

I'll go over that manual when I get back, in the meantime you might want to call Apple tech support and tell them exactly how easy to use this "Airport Extreme" is...

Why can't they do anything normally? About the only normal thing about Apples is their SCSI connectors, thats about it... they never could get a floppy disk to load right.... grrrr....

Like one complete manual for a device would be nice... and too god damn many useless pretty pictures... where's the information? We want information dammit!

<deep breath>

Be back in a while....

Clark Kent · « **Reply #29 on:** September 10, 2005, 06:28:53 pm »

Keep in mind the purpose of this router:
to provide a router that is easy to use and set up for the average user. It does this very well- while my friend was setting up some other router over hours and days the way he wanted it to be, mine was already up and running, and I was on the internet. While I have no use for this extreme, I can handle up to 50 comuters on my AEBS, and it has worked flawlessly up to now. I'll go over to the apple forums and see if anyone knows how I can turn the firewall on and off. If it's too difficult I won't bother, since I need the firewall for other reasons.
Thanks bonk

KBF-Kurok · « **Reply #30 on:** September 10, 2005, 06:38:43 pm »

ok hijack in progress. should i change the stuff in my ini file with the info for my modem and the other things listed in this little section?
[IPAddress]
NumOfEntries=1
Entry#0=Local Area Network
[ModemAddress]
NumOfEntries=0
This is taken directly off of my configuration file.
if i shouldnt add them here where should I add them or should I at all.
I can play on line I however cannot draft or be drafted at the moment.

Bonk · « **Reply #31 on:** September 10, 2005, 08:59:49 pm »

Trouble is tha average user wants to play games that require port forwarding... That pdf had no info on how to disable the firewall or forward ports on the AirPort Extreme... lots of pretty pictures as predicted though... I take a look at some of the other manuals tommorow...

Kurok, you do not need to edit your ini file, you need to turn off your firewall(s). Hmmm I can ping you though... perhaps you have no firewalls running? Are you behind a router?

KBF-Kurok · « **Reply #32 on:** September 10, 2005, 09:19:46 pm »

my dsl modem is also a router. I have dmz enabled so that isnt the problem. Im thinking it is the NAT on my modem. Unfortunatly im not sure it will let me put in an ip adress that will let me disable it. I usualy run behind zonealarm while surfing the net.I however do turn it off for gaming since it does sometimes cause problems. Now when i set up dmz it is to my intrenal ip correct not my public one? I think i sent you the link the other day to the modem that i have. I know your on a wickedly slow modem so there is no rush to get this done. I can still play.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Kurok

Clark Kent · « **Reply #33 on:** September 10, 2005, 11:54:39 pm »

Here is what I found, can't disable the firewall, so I have to port map. I have a link, but I haven't figured it all out yet.

Bonk · « **Reply #34 on:** September 11, 2005, 07:25:31 am »

Glad to hear you found some help on port forwarding on the Airport Extreme Clark. The D2 is a great motivator for learning about networks.

Kurok, yes DMZ to the local IP of the machine you are playing on, (not the public IP) and check to see if it changes as it is likely DHCP assigned.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #35 on:** September 11, 2005, 10:54:50 am »

bah, forgot to paste the link. Hate to admit it, but this is a bit out of my league:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx/.68999f2d/1

Bonk · « **Reply #36 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:04:11 am »

I'll take a look...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #37 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:07:56 am »

Quote from: Bonk on September 11, 2005, 11:04:11 am

I'll take a look...

<hugs bonk>
mmmm, hard nipples....
Bet punisher wishes he was here....

Bonk · « **Reply #38 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:14:56 am »

Oh give it up already...

Ick!

Think I'll go read Kurok's DSL modem manual for him first...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #39 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:17:30 am »

Quote from: Bonk on September 11, 2005, 11:14:56 am

Oh give it up already... Ick!

Think I'll go read Kurok's DSL modem manual for him first...

Juswt keep in mind, I actually only do this for you amusement. Not the lurkers though. I don't know if they laugh or jsut shake their heads in disdain at my antics.
If you'd like, I can send you bewbie pics....
Big bewbies....
mmmmmmmm

Bonk · « **Reply #40 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:23:34 am »

I know you're doing it just for fun, it is amusing, but a bit weird too...

No need to send pics, I'm on slow dial-up anyway...

Today I gotta look at rebuiling an old Pentium 233, troubleshoot a Compact Flash to PCMCIA adapter in a Compag notebook for use with a Globalsat GPS, work on the battles reporting interface on The Forge for use on the upcoming SG-SQL and maybe squeeze in a nap too if I'm lucky... so it might be a bit... and I did tell Kurok I'd take a look at his DSL modem first... (a while back, in PMs).

But I am curious to work this out and would be happy to see you login to the D2 successfully, plus I'll learn something out of it too...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #41 on:** September 11, 2005, 11:47:07 am »

Quote from: Bonk on September 11, 2005, 11:23:34 am

I know you're doing it just for fun, it is amusing, but a bit weird too...

No need to send pics, I'm on slow dial-up anyway...

Today I gotta look at rebuiling an old Pentium 233, troubleshoot a Compact Flash to PCMCIA adapter in a Compag notebook for use with a Globalsat GPS, work on the battles reporting interface on The Forge for use on the upcoming SG-SQL and maybe squeeze in a nap too if I'm lucky... so it might be a bit... and I did tell Kurok I'd take a look at his DSL modem first... (a while back, in PMs).

But I am curious to work this out and would be happy to see you login to the D2 successfully, plus I'll learn something out of it too...

NP, I usually go out on sundays anywho, so take your time since I won't be back until later this evening. Besides, aby and all help is welcome and appreciated, even if you reject big luscious bewbies.

Bonk · « **Reply #42 on:** September 11, 2005, 04:58:35 pm »

Quote from: Clark Kent on September 11, 2005, 10:54:50 am

bah, forgot to paste the link. Hate to admit it, but this is a bit out of my league:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx/.68999f2d/1

OK, port mapping (port forwarding) is out as the Airport Extreme only accepts a maximum of 20 single port forwarding entries (no ranges from what I can tell). SFC2/Directplay7 requires ports 2300-2400, 47624.

BUT, it looks as though there is a DMZ (demilitarized zone) option that Apple has called the "Default Host" option.

That will be what you have to use. "This is found in Base Station Options."

To avoid explaining how to configure your LAN IP address statically (though you should to use this option properly):

Determine your local IP address: do this by typing "ipconfig" at the command prompt (Start...All Programs...Accessories...Command Prompt), under the "Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection" section look up your "IP Address" and note it.

Use the "AirPort Admin Utility" and under "Base Station Options" enter the IP address you noted above under the "Default Host" option.

Be aware that you may need to redo this everytime you reboot the computer as you may have a diffferent local IP address assigned by the DHCP server on the Airport. But you might also find you consistently get the same IP address from the Airport and won't need to change the "Default Host" setting.

If you get this to work successfully, then you can later look at the DHCP server settings on the Airport to see the IP address range it is using, then configure your SFC PC with a static LAN IP Address outside the DHCP range of the Airport but on the same subnet, then set this IP Address to be the "Default Host" (DMZ)... the right way to do this.

Also, note that the firewall on the Airport makes the McAfee firewall redundant. But if you set your SFC PC as the "Default Host" it will no longer be behind the Airport firewall (a good thing while playing SFC) and you will want to either re-enable the McAfee firewall when not playing or reset the "Default Host" setting on the Airport to the default when you are finished playing SFC online.

Clear as mud?

edit: Oh yeah, make sure the Airport will accept pings from the WAN side too...

Bonk · « **Reply #43 on:** September 11, 2005, 05:14:07 pm »

Kurok, let me know if your local IP address matches the DMZ entry at your DSL modem and we'll go from there...

KBF-Kurok · « **Reply #44 on:** September 12, 2005, 09:59:16 am »

it sure does. what i think i need to do is set my internal adress to some thing out side of the nat range sop that when i disable it i can acess the internet. the manual says that if my adress is lets just make something up 200.200.0.0 i wont be able to acess the internet.Does this mean that if i set my internal ip to something like 200.200.0.20 that i will be able to acess the internet still and disable my nat( thinking that is the problem) what is happening (I think) is when im trying to connect to someone it is sending my public adress and not my internal one even tho i have my modem set to dmz
. As you can probably tell im new with routers and dsl modems so i could be way off base here. I m realy starting to miss the cable modem i had a couple of years ago I was just a modem nothing else.
any help is apreciated.
Kurok

KBF-Kurok · « **Reply #45 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:58:56 pm »

well it is confirmed i cant draft we just get a long count down

ShadowLord · « **Reply #46 on:** September 12, 2005, 02:55:01 pm »

Ok --

I remember when I first went from 56K to DSL -- i had the same issue where I could no longer connect to play SFC2.
I dont know if your running windows 98? but I was at the time (for that matter still am running 98SE) anyways with my DSL connection I had to go in and change one damn setting -- for the life of me I cannot remember what it is - one of the Bell Sympatico guys (and yes bell did bitch at me that they dont support game playing -- Hell isnt that why we all got high speed internet?? ) anyways he suggested I go in to the start run --
and type in _____ on

Then it worked -- I cannot remember exactly what program it was -- but if your running 98 that might be your problem phone your ISP and explain whats going on -- don't let them tell you they dont support gaming because over 80% of us have high speed just to play games -- and get a tech to help..

Sorry I cant be more exact it goes back about 5 years ago now..

KHH_ShadowLord

KBF-Kurok · « **Reply #47 on:** September 13, 2005, 02:43:25 pm »

Hey thanks for the info shadow lord.I am however using xp with sp2. I have called those fools and i cant ever seem to get ahold of them with out beeing put on hold(PET PEEVE) I think ill try again on thursday when im off again.

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