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Windows Vista "may" need 2Gb of DDR3 main memory!!!
« on: September 08, 2005, 09:53:47 am »
Holy ******* cow!!!

 

Queensland (Australia) - A Microsoft strategist told attendees of the TechEd 2005 conference on the Gold Coast last week that Windows Vista's new display driver model may compel users to upgrade to a PC with 2 GByte of DDR3 SDRAM and a graphics card with at least 256 MByte memory, according to Australian PC enthusiast publication APC Magazine. 

In a transcript reportedly taken from TechEd, Nigel Page, a strategist with Microsoft Australia, told a small crowd gathered at his presentation that Vista's new Longhorn Display Driver Model (LDDM) will replace the existing GDI display model with a mostly 3D vector-graphics system. Such a system is known to be in the works. This system, reads the transcript, will require more work from the graphics processing unit (GPU) and, as a result, a faster bi-directional bus with the CPU.

To accomplish this, the transcript quotes Page as stating, "The GPU will need a plenty of room to operate in Vista. The more memory you put on a video card, the better, really. We want the least dumping back to main memory because that's slower than graphics. If you have 128 MByte, that's good; if you have 256 MByte, that's better; but I expect that video card memory will go up a lot when Longhorn is released."

As for system RAM, Page reportedly said, 512 MByte is "heaps" for a 32-bit system. For a 64-bit system, however, "you're going to want 2 gigs of DDR3 RAM." The transcript states that Page explained 64-bit users will need to double their memory because units of memory are naturally double the size. "If you try to make do with what you've got," the transcript adds, "you'll see less performance. But RAM is now so cheap, it's hardly an issue."

What might become an issue - though Page apparently didn't mention it - is that low-voltage DDR3 technology is at least 8 to 10 months away from sampling and at least 16 months away from commercial availability. The Vista operating system itself is expected to be released a few months sooner.


Spokespersons for Microsoft US contacted by Tom's Hardware Guide declined to address Page's reported remarks directly. The spokesperson, however, told us, "minimum system requirements for Windows Vista will not be known until summer 2006 at the earliest." The few requirements that Microsoft can officially confirm are limited to "a modern Intel Pentium- or AMD Athlon-based PC" with 512 MByte of RAM and a dedicated Graphics card with DirectX 9.0 support.

We wondered, if Microsoft is truly suggesting that a Vista computer be endowed with DDR3 RAM and as much as 256 MByte of video RAM, whether such a system would fall outside the realm of a PC that will qualify for Intel's recently announced Viiv entertainment PC platform. Yesterday, an Intel spokesperson told us that Viiv hardware requirements for the first quarter of next year basically consist of a Pentium D, Pentium Extreme Edition, or Yonah-based system, based on a motherboard with the 945 Express, 955X Express, or Calistoga chipset, as well as an Intel-branded network connection. No memory requirements for system or video RAM, or for any part of the graphics hardware, were specified in the most recent list Intel provided to us.

The subject of how Vista's LDDM will change the hardware components, requirements, and behavior of 2006 computers will be one of the subjects explored in-depth next week at Microsoft's Professional Developers' Conference in Los Angeles. Tom's Hardware Guide will report from the conference, which will open its doors on Sunday, September 11.

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Re: Windows Vista "may" need 2Gb of DDR3 main memory!!!
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2005, 09:57:35 am »
You mean they dropped the requirement for a dual core CPU?
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Re: Windows Vista "may" need 2Gb of DDR3 main memory!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2005, 10:06:39 am »
You mean they dropped the requirement for a dual core CPU?

Lol.  No - they're hoping the quad cores will be out by then!! ;D

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Re: Windows Vista "may" need 2Gb of DDR3 main memory!!!
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2005, 10:16:02 am »
Setup and Configuration: Hardware and Drivers

What will be the hardware requirements for Windows Vista?

It's still too early to determine the final hardware requirements. You can run the Beta on a typical machine from the past two years, although it's a better experience on newer, higher-end systems.



What video cards work best with the pre-Alpha Windows Vista releases?

You should find the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 perform flawlessly in all resolutions up to 1280×1024 for the Aero Glass interface; anything higher and you may find traces of sluggishness, especially in 2048×1536.

On the other hand, both ATI Radeon 9600Pro and 9800SE are capable in handling the Aero Glass interface in all modes up to 1600×1200, thanks to ATI's efficient systems driving these cards. However, again, the performance will degrade dramatically in higher resolutions.

Since Windows Vista is not expected to be released until 2006, all videos cards available today and this year (including the GeForce 6 Series and the Radeon X800) will become obsolete by then. You may find it more economical to purchase the top-end models when they are on clearance. The new video cards that will be released in 2006 will likely be at least three times as powerful as the ones today.

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Re: Windows Vista "may" need 2Gb of DDR3 main memory!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2005, 04:09:08 pm »
Setup and Configuration: Hardware and Drivers

What will be the hardware requirements for Windows Vista?

It's still too early to determine the final hardware requirements. You can run the Beta on a typical machine from the past two years, although it's a better experience on newer, higher-end systems.



What video cards work best with the pre-Alpha Windows Vista releases?

You should find the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 perform flawlessly in all resolutions up to 1280×1024 for the Aero Glass interface; anything higher and you may find traces of sluggishness, especially in 2048×1536.

On the other hand, both ATI Radeon 9600Pro and 9800SE are capable in handling the Aero Glass interface in all modes up to 1600×1200, thanks to ATI's efficient systems driving these cards. However, again, the performance will degrade dramatically in higher resolutions.

Since Windows Vista is not expected to be released until 2006, all videos cards available today and this year (including the GeForce 6 Series and the Radeon X800) will become obsolete by then. You may find it more economical to purchase the top-end models when they are on clearance. The new video cards that will be released in 2006 will likely be at least three times as powerful as the ones today.



Somebody's dreaming it seems.

Standard sell of a computer now has the equivalent of a GeForce 4 integrated (aka GeForce2), around a 3 gig processor and between 256 and 512 RAM.

In two years it MIGHT be 1024 GB RAM, equivalent of what a GeForce 4 was (about two years ago average was a GeForce 2 integrated with a 1.8 to 2 gig processor).

Most people keep computers for more than a year, many times some keep them up to 4 or 5 years.  Old people keep...well we won't discuss old people.

I doubt MS will have requirements quite as high as the article suggests, because if they do...and there's another OS that allows for people to buy a computer for $1000 or less, you better bet your bottom dollar that they'll buy them.

If MS released something with requirements that high in less than 2 or 3 years, then they'll suddenly find that Linux is looking good to ALOT of people, especially after computer stores start cancelling contracts because everyone is buying the midrange computers with the Linux OS (since MS will undoubtably demand that their new OS be sold on computers, and a midrange won't be able to run it at full speed).

Ergo, MS doesn't like competition like that, (or have kicked Bill Gates out and the takeover has a total idiot at the helm), so the system will have requirements that are FAAAAAR lower.

Edit:  For those who can't beleive mid range computers would sell better than high range...the reason is simple.  Computer Gamers is a very small minority group compared to the majority of computer users.
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Re: Windows Vista "may" need 2Gb of DDR3 main memory!!!
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2005, 10:21:43 pm »
... Old people keep...well we won't discuss old people...

Hey!  Watch it, Mac!

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Re: Windows Vista "may" need 2Gb of DDR3 main memory!!!
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2005, 08:55:56 am »
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Re: Windows Vista "may" need 2Gb of DDR3 main memory!!!
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2005, 09:06:33 am »
Gee...

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