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Offline Corbomite

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2005, 11:01:47 pm »
They are command cruisers, not BCH's.

Mind you they are very good command cruisers.

Someone didn't read their SFC 1 manual.

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2005, 11:03:53 pm »
Someone didn't read module R4, and obviously never played F&E.

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2005, 11:13:05 pm »
Yes, yes we all know you don't give a damn about the game you are actually playing. You don't have to keep bringing it up. I don't give rats ass about SFB or F&E. I care about what the rules and instructions that were included in the game I bought said, not the game it was somewhat based on.

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2005, 11:13:42 pm »
So I guess the H-CHC is a heavy battlecruiser then?

I always find it amusing to hear from those who swear off SFB as being irrelevant, and follow the gospel of Taldren instead.

Have you been enjoying SFC3 Corb?

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2005, 11:17:45 pm »
Films are so over rated... hehe. So I fought a CB in an RHK? I remember killing a CX in an RHK... Dunna like the the RHK. One shot wonder.

I ever tell you about the time an NHK pwnd an NCL+, a CB AND a CVS+ all in the same mission? hehe. Tell Jeff and Wanderer I miss them, DH. ;)

EDIT: Oh, and no, the CB never has a chance vs the NHK, both captains skill being equal.

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2005, 11:17:59 pm »
Will you guys kiss and make up? 
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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2005, 11:21:55 pm »
Films are so over rated... hehe. So I fought a CB in an RHK? I remember killing a CX in an RHK... Dunna like the the RHK. One shot wonder.

I ever tell you about the time an NHK pwnd an NCL+, a CB AND a CVS+ all in the same mission? hehe. Tell Jeff and Wanderer I miss them, DH. ;)

Who lost a CX to an RHK?  That is embarrasing,   almost as bad as getting towed into a rock, not that that has ever happened  <whistles>

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2005, 11:42:31 pm »

EDIT: Oh, and no, the CB never has a chance vs the NHK, both captains skill being equal.

Cool, can I use this excuse?   ;D
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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2005, 11:44:38 pm »
I ever tell you about the time an NHK pwnd an NCL+, a CB AND a CVS+ all in the same mission? hehe. Tell Jeff and Wanderer I miss them, DH. ;)

I've always found it vastly amusing that every time you bring up this battle (which is often) you always fail to mention that instead of the three of us jumping you and running you out of the hex as we should have, we decided to be good sports and fight you individually.  Not that I'm taking anything away from your skill, you did beat each of us, but you beat us individually.   Just wanted to clarify.  ;D  Oh, and I miss you too. ;)
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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2005, 11:47:17 pm »
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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2005, 11:50:18 pm »
Details, details.

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2005, 12:05:11 am »
Those films you put up seemed weak on the romulan's parts in that they weren't aggressive enough.  As far as I can tell, there are two modes of flying: chasing or running.  Faster firing, weaker ships run, slower firing, stronger ships chase.  The running ship attempts to weaken the chasing ship enough to go in for a battle pass and come out ok, especially now that it'll be recharged faster than the opponent.  The chasing ship tries to take the volleys on different shields so that it really isn't hurt at all for the critical battle pass (and so merely wins outright, unless it's your average Fed who by definition has below average photon hits).

So with this philosophy laid down, the key is that the running ship MUST be able to weaken the chaser, or it's just a worse ship.

At speed 31 and a weasel held, the CB has 2 power to charge phasers.  This is with no photons held, so I again resort to my earlier thinking that the CB shouldn't win.  There's no way it's shields charge fast enough to make up for getting 2 phaser shots a turn.  Yes it starts full and doesn't fire full amounts each turn, and has batteries, and so in fact lasts for a good number of volleys, enough to wear down 2 front shields on the NHK, but then you're out of energy save for 2 shots a turn, at which point I'll gladly take a seemingly large # of internals per turn for the couple turns it takes to completely corner you.  Maybe I'll lose a phaser, an F, a shuttle bay, and two power, and you'll lose..hmm...remaining 20+30+30, string launched with pseudos means probably only missing 30, plus phasers probably gives a volley of like 80 or something, should all hit the same shield cause of the weasel (subtract 30 for shield lets say), giving you 50 internals (minus 25 because you almost ran a torp out and phasers fired under a wild weasel +2 shift lets say, for 25 internals), some of which will be power and make it hard for you to chase while charging photons, leaving me free to rearm for the win.  This can't possibly be too far off from the truth now that we've played a couple games.  It's VERY hard to run away from someone going 31 on a fairly small map.  You can do all the internals to the NHK you want, but if it has any weapons left, you'll take even more in return and then be chasing after a full strength rear shield with no power to chase with...

If the NHK makes no mistakes, it can't possibly be possibly possible for there to be even a slight possibility of the CB winning.  That's why I'll say again you may as well shoot overloads early on with hit and run on his torps, then weasel and hope for the best.

Again I would love to play and practice and test more later this week!!

EDIT: I hope this sort of arguing isn't bothering anyone..I'd hate to be the annoying know-it-all new guy that in fact knows nothing..I was hoping this is interesting.
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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2005, 12:11:15 am »
So I guess the H-CHC is a heavy battlecruiser then?

I always find it amusing to hear from those who swear off SFB as being irrelevant, and follow the gospel of Taldren instead.

Have you been enjoying SFC3 Corb?



No, but I have been enjoying putting your panties in a bunch.

IIRC, Dennis Greene wrote up the fleet descriptions in SFC1 and we all know he didn't know a thing did he?

I always find it amusing that the SFB fanboys seem to forget that 50% - 60% of SFB isn't included in this game and none of F&E is at all. Play the game you bought and save the wet dreams for your pillow OK?

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2005, 12:11:57 am »
Oh, and I miss you too. ;)
Where u hidin, ho?

Yeah, I do mention it a lot. I'll never let any of you ever live it down or forget it. hehe

NHK rulz

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2005, 12:17:26 am »

I always find it amusing that the SFB fanboys seem to forget that 50% - 60% of SFB isn't included in this game and none of F&E is at all. Play the game you bought and save the wet dreams for your pillow OK?

Your point?  80% (at least) of SFB isn't included in any SFB scenario I play either.  Why?  Because the game is freakin' huge.

Nevertheless, 90% (at least) of SFC is SFB.  You can't have the former without the latter.

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2005, 12:18:37 am »


Again I would love to play and practice and test more later this week!!

EDIT: I hope this sort of arguing isn't bothering anyone..I'd hate to be the annoying know-it-all new guy that in fact knows nothing..I was hoping this is interesting.

Thursdya night?

Not annoying, you are grasping the initial concepts very well.  The part about the runner needing to damage the chaser is dead on.  One of the reason's why Fast Cruisers are cheese.
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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2005, 12:20:14 am »
It could have been Dennis or Scruno or Jinxx. Whoever it was got it wrong.

And dude, if you really think that it's 50-60% you need to pick up the rulebook.

Or, better yet, just look at how absurd the Taldren creations are. Need I mention:

Advanced era
SFC3
R-SPZ
F-NCM
F-BCE

Anyway I suspect you already know that, and are just trying to unbunch your own panties.
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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2005, 12:35:25 am »
Your point?  80% (at least) of SFB isn't included in any SFB scenario I play either. 


At least you have the option to use them. You can't use what you don't have and SFC doesn't have them. It always comes down to "Well in SFB you could do this" or "In SFB it was handled this way". Well, that isn't the way SFC handles "it". It works the way Taldren was paid to design it and that's what it is. Wishing it was otherwise or force modding compromises into it just to see some pretty models of shps, races and functions we don't have and likely never will doesn't make it SFB.

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2005, 12:50:20 am »
The MECHANICS of SFB were used to create this game, yes, so 762 is right.

THIS GAME is NOT SFB - yes, so Corbo is right.

This thread is getting full of panties in a bunch - FREY is right.

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Re: R-NHK vs F-CB
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2005, 06:05:27 am »
Theres one other issue that the stupid computer brought up flying around at speed 8 with a lot of reinforcement apparently...proxies do zero damage.  Lets say they are almost stopped with full reinforcement... a range 12.99 alpha if it hit with all proxies or two normals would do 16 + some phaser damage = zero...



The CLC CANNOT break a Castling Rom, a CB has a much better chance of doing so. 

The Rom would have to be really fooish to allow a running battle against a CLC which has a better power curve unless the NHK captains downgraded his S torps.

Sure it can

4xPhotons 8 Ph1's

4 Photons 10 Ph1's

Both have 4 shuttles and the CLC actually has (very marginally) superior shields.

CB has the advantage that it can take a hit better if the pilot makes a mistake.
CLC's a better ship though.
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