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i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« on: August 13, 2005, 08:32:15 am »
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According to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, patent applications that cover much of the technology associated with the iPod were submitted by Microsoft, which has been on a patents tear recently filing thousands of patents.

If the patents hold up on appeal, Apple could be accountable for royalties on the spectacularly successful iPod. Jobs and others associated with Apple filed for patents covering the technology in October, 2002, but that application was rejected by the patent office last month. AppleInsider.com reported the rejection this week.

Apple won't take the matter lying down. "Apple invented and publicly released the iPod interface before the Microsoft patent application cited by the (patent) examiner was filed," said an Apple spokesperson in a statement. Apple also noted that the firm has received other patents for technology relating to the iPod and in addition has other patents pending on the iPod.


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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2005, 08:35:32 am »
I'm glad to see this. I consider iTunes and iPod apps on the PC platform as viruses. Apple should be made to pay for their hacker style behaviour in corrupting/comandeering MS OS installs with the iTunes and Quicktime viruses. (almost as bad as Norton...)
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2005, 09:09:58 am »
Disgusting bguggers those apps are. And I agree, they act like a virus on the PC platform.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2005, 10:30:07 am »
Please enlighten this ignorant savage as to why iTunes and Quicktime are so bad on the Windows platform.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2005, 12:18:50 pm »
I have found iTunes contiunually consuming 100% cpu use on more than one windows installation, practically crippling the PC. Quicktime comandeers file associations and is not uninstallable.  :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2005, 01:28:07 pm »
That is strange. i am using iTunes right now on a P-III 1ghz and it is only averaging about 10%. There are few jumps to 20 but then it goes back down to below 10. it is taking a ton of memory though. Just about 42mb.

As for Quicktime, I have never really tried to uninstall it so i have no clue about that.

I personally like the function and layout of iTunes more than any other player I have tried and use it as my default player.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2005, 01:01:52 am »
You know, I think that might be a bug in one of the companion programs to iTunes, I forget the name of it (re: the cpu consumption thing).  I think it's fixable, but I'd have to look deeper into it.  using CPU power like that is NOT a feature of iTunes, at least, not an intended one.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2005, 02:11:44 am »
I hate the way Quicktime/iTunes when installed automaticaly starts when your reboot.  Its my PC and I'll decide what takes up CPU time.  I too see them as "nasty" bits of code, QT is'nt even a good movie player, no full screen in this day and age is unfogivable but at least its not DivX with all of its spy ware!
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2005, 10:48:17 am »
One more thing: I am not pleased at this.  Apple has done well with it's iPod , and M$ has not been pleased by that.  M$ already has a ridiculous monopoly in too many areas, and simply taking away apple's right to own it's own product would be very very very bad.  If you don't like iTunes, that's your business.  I'm sure you can find a way to make it work more to your liking, as well quicktime. 
Still, i see no reason why you would want to put more power and money into microsoft's hands just because you don't like a couple fo programs.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2005, 11:09:59 am »
You misunderstand Clark.

I like QNX just fine. I like FreeBSD just fine. I like Knoppix just fine. None of these try to interfere with other operating systems, unlike Apple or Norton products.  Both of which have anti-Microsoft axes to grind.

How do I make Apple or Norton products work better for me? I simply do not install them - I won't touch either with a ten foot pole.

I do not want to put more power into Microsoft's hands (e.g.: Windows servers are inferior in my opinion.) I just wouldn't mind seeing Apple being made to pay somehow for their underhanded and just plain wrong sabotage type tactics.

Do you see QNX trying to flog its superior media player onto other operating systems? (like Apple does)  - No. Do you see FreeBSD sucking users in with software subscriptions that won't even run on their current hardware? (like Norton does) - No.

Its a matter of principles - not power and money.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2005, 11:50:03 am »
I don't see how apple or norton try to sabotage M$.  They are simply trying to make programs that are integrated into the system.  It's part of their philosophy on how the programs should work.  Yes, there are flaws, i'll agree to that.  Hopefully they will work over time to minimize or eliminate those flaws.  I can't promise they will, but I can always hope.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2005, 11:52:18 am »
Fair enough.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2005, 12:02:27 pm »
This whole patent issue is overblown.

The MS patent is not particularly relevant to begin with. Secondly, Apple & MS are not likely to start filing suits over patent infringement. They tend to work together over licensing issues.

Mark the words of the all-powerful DM!
This is yet another minor report being regurgitated over & over into something HUGE and WORLD-SHATTERING!

Now if you want EARTH SHATTERING..... lookie at Apple's Mighty Mouse! Freakin' > 1 button!
Only Apple could get front page news over a mouse.....

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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2005, 12:06:05 pm »
I think the mighty mouse is pretty cool- one button look with multiple buttons.  I kinda like the sensors used to add second, third, etc button functionality.   Pretty slick, IMHO.
Not world shattering, more along the lines of "it's about friggin time..."
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2005, 12:25:15 am »
But then again, any old USB mouse will work on a Mac, and OS X supports the 2nd button and scrollwheel.  I don't see the big deal in the fact that Apple can make one itself now.  Oh, besides the $50 price tag.

Bonk, I seriously think your download was bad.  My copy of iTunes on my laptop works just fine, even when I run it at the same time as SFC, ecxept then there's a little more time between songs, but other than that I don't notice a thing.  I never paid attention to CPU or memory use though.  Are you running the visualization while you're looking at the CPU usage?  iTunes's visualizations are all hi-res when windowed and they'll suck every clock cycle you've got.  Also try setting the priority for CPU usage a little lower.  It just sounds like your system's weird!

Also, what version of iTunes are you basing your judgement on?  I've never installed anything earlier than 4.7 on my systems, and my Mac's got 4.9 on it now.
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2005, 10:50:07 am »
Quote from: Maxillius NCC-13443 on August 19, 2005, 12:25:15 am
Bonk, I seriously think your download was bad.  My copy of iTunes on my laptop works just fine, even when I run it at the same time as SFC, ecxept then there's a little more time between songs, but other than that I don't notice a thing.  I never paid attention to CPU or memory use though.  Are you running the visualization while you're looking at the CPU usage?  iTunes's visualizations are all hi-res when windowed and they'll suck every clock cycle you've got.  Also try setting the priority for CPU usage a little lower.  It just sounds like your system's weird!

Also, what version of iTunes are you basing your judgement on?  I've never installed anything earlier than 4.7 on my systems, and my Mac's got 4.9 on it now.

Not sure what version it was, it was early though. I did not download it, it was not my PC, found it on more than one PC as well. It was not playing any music or producing any visualisations, it was just running in the background constantly consuming 100% of the cpu time, crippling the PC.

After having observed that, I would not even consider letting any version of it anywhere near my PC, not that I would even consider it after the bad experiences I had with early versions of Quicktime. I even reinstalled windows once just to purge the system of quicktime.

Bad early versions is no excuse. Those versions should not have been released if they were that bad. Crappy software QA really gets me going...  :hoppinmad:
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2005, 11:11:18 am »
DUnno about the uninstallable quicktime.  However, the more you say, the mroe I'm sure this is simply an unintended bug that is resolved by disabling a helper app in iTunes.  I just wish I could remember the name of it.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2005, 05:52:00 pm »
Quote from: Bonk on August 13, 2005, 08:35:32 am
I'm glad to see this. I consider iTunes and iPod apps on the PC platform as viruses. Apple should be made to pay for their hacker style behaviour in corrupting/comandeering MS OS installs with the iTunes and Quicktime viruses. (almost as bad as Norton...)

But no where near as bad as MSN...  One of the trickier viruses I've had to deal with... 
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2005, 07:08:10 pm »
Quote from: prometheus on August 19, 2005, 05:52:00 pm
Quote from: Bonk on August 13, 2005, 08:35:32 am
I'm glad to see this. I consider iTunes and iPod apps on the PC platform as viruses. Apple should be made to pay for their hacker style behaviour in corrupting/comandeering MS OS installs with the iTunes and Quicktime viruses. (almost as bad as Norton...)


But no where near as bad as MSN...  One of the trickier viruses I've had to deal with... 


Not much arguement there, MSN is uninstallable however.
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Re: i-Pod patent issued to Microsoft
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2005, 07:39:27 pm »
Yeah, I concur...  I need it disabled but installed to use hotmail, and Outlook Express seems to have a fetish for it as well...   

What really pisses me off about it is the way it bullies you into installing upgrades you don't want.  If I wanted M-f*ck-S-ing-M 7.0, I'd go to the site and download it, I do not need to be bullied into installing an upgrade for a program I don't even want upgraded...

So I use Trillian to keep in touch with my MSN contacts now...
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